Cassius76 said:awaiting a surprise in January :-)
Surprise? You're living dangerously. I couldn't handle that.
Damn, those are some great posters. I like the last two the best.
So going off topic for a second, who has what? Girl here (12 weeks next sunday).
Cassius76 said:Bumpy bump! Just a little nudge to keep this thing alive. I know Focuspuller has a little one now.. and was wondering... any news on the project? Or is it now on hold indefinitely? Could anyone else take over? I only have 4 months of peace left myself! ;-)
Yes, congrats!
Yes work continues, at a snaill's pace, and during free time which i have very little of, but it continues. I don't really have anything to report beyond that for the moment. But for the record, the project is NOT on hold.
adywan said:focuspuller said:Don't slap me for saying this, how do I donate again? I did it before but I don't remember. A paypal link right?
yeh, it's through paypal:
adywan(at)hotmail(dot)co(dot)uk
(changing the sections in brackets for the correct characters)
pm sent
Don't slap me for saying this, how do I donate again? I did it before but I don't remember. A paypal link right?
FanFiltration said:TV's Frink said:Monroville said:Also (a BIG one), do something with the grid spiders
Oh man, do I ever hate how those things pop up and then...nothing.
Wow, I always hated how the grid spiders are animated in that stereotypical identifiably and silly Disney way. This is "TRON", not "Bedknobs and Broomsticks" for Sagan's sake! When that movie came out, I remember the marketing campaign trying so hard to make people feel that this was going to be a more adult minded film that will appeal to a more mature audience. When the grid spiders came on, I felt so lied to.
I couldn't agree more. I find the Grid Spider scene to be silly and takes you out of the film. Whimsical music cue included.
As far as choosing a scene to work on, except for the light cyle scene of course, I would choose the Clu scene or Flynn's first game inside.
Cassius76 said:Wahhhehy! Congratulations!!!
I'm expecting my first in January! :-)
Hope everyone is doing okay! :-)
All the best.
oh nice! :) Congrats to you. Babies for everyone!
Yes, everyone is fine.
If I may be permitted to go off topic for a moment....
Little Natasha has been born this day. A light (my first) indeed burning very, very brightly.
Moth3r said:Cassius76 said:Where on earth have these 2 come from? Or are they THE SAME PERSON?
They do not appear to be the same person - one posts from the US and the other from Europe.
Great minds think alike. :)
skyjedi2005 said:Was it another person trying to come on these boards and sell their bootlegs?
If so they deserved to be banned.
And i hope moth3r continues to stop these fuckers in their tracks from using Jay's site to sell their wares.
What is this ebay?
I'm not sure what exactly went down, but I completly agree. I've been having similar issues on my own thread.
damn, what is up with all the trolls on the threads? oh well... it is pretty funny.
Bingowings said:I apologise if my request for information opened a can of worms.
I am grateful for the help I received (which I assure you didn't involve the exchange of money) it just seemed logical at the time to post the request of information about a piece of Blade Runner music on a thread associated with that score.
I made a similar request on a Star Wars related thread, received a similar level of assistance (which I was also grateful for) so I was a bit surprised to check up on this projects progress and find it had this unintended incendiary effect.
There is no need to apologise. Your request for information is part of what this thread is for. As for carrying on, every thread has a troll sooner or later so I consider it good luck.
deckardB26354 said:focuspuller said:deckardB26354 said:yotsuya said:I feel like I've just walked into the twilight zone. Here we are on a forum discussing what is in reality a bootleg collection and we critizice the previous bootlegs and say we want to do away with them. That is a bit hipocritical, don't ya think. Unless you are Vangelis himself, this is a bootleg project, the same (in all legal ways) as any other bootleg of the Blade Runner soundtrack. Don't play all high and mighty because you claim to be doing a restoration. All you are doing is taking bootlegs to another level by claiming it is a restoration. Some of your editing choices indicate a personal preference on your part that, unless you are in posession of the original master tapes (or copies thereof), you cannot justify some of you editing choices.
There are many bootlegs out there of blade runner, but some recent ones have been quiet stellar. I would much prefer the recent bootlegs by Sebastian, Vincente or GreyFedora than music that suffers from merging of tracks that shouldn't be. I don't know what sources these guys use, but they have tracks that are quiet clean and nice, particularly the music from Taffy's bar.
I'd recommend going to Yahoo and finding the Blade Runner Sondtrack group and request admission. They share some interesting music in flac and mp3 and they have better versions of the music from Taffy's bar than I have heard elsewhere.
@yotsuya
I Have to agree on this comment. This whole "Bootleg" thing is really getting old. I have seen the decrease of these item(s) being sold on eBay, meaning that most collector's have either had enough of way too many "Special, Limited Edition, Esper, MR3 or Crappy CDR fan made rip-offs of some other fan made "recording" issues.
It must be frustrating for a collector though, trying to get that "Ultimate Collection", As I have been monitoring this particular forum, It remains to be seen or "heard" for that matter. I own quite a physical collection of original "Boots" that I have purchased since the first one back in '93, some have been Excellent factory made pressings and most are just plain Crappy fan made CDR's. You can end up spending $30-500 USD, depending on which boot it is.
The Original Off World '93 [limited 2000 pressings] is a nice collector's item, but sounds like shit. The same applies for the Gongo release. However, I still believe the Deck Art [limited 500 pressing] was the best produced BR boot to date. There is of course having the rewards of being in the film industry and having a "Special Copy" of the master score sessions, But of a promise I made to a certain Composer, it will NEVER be duplicated or distributed publicly.
yotsuya - Please PM Me with the BR yahoo forum info.
@focuspuller
It is quite interesting to see the dedication of such a "Project", ultimately the sound will only be as got as the source master.
Good Luck on the "TCMC"
I always find it interesting when a post like this, with a certain tone comes from someone "who has been montoring this thread", and yet has never posted before. Aside from the desire to make these kind of posts of course, which, from where I'm standing, seems to be a waste of time. I have made it clear in repeated posts what this project is, nothing more, nothing less. Take it or leave it, when it's released that is. Otherwise all of this is just verbal wanking.
p.s. The name dropping (or attept at it) doesn't impress me. Nor I should think anyone else.
@focuspuller
I see You can Critique others but You can't handle it when others express themselves.
All I've read (for about a YEAR now) on this post is a bunch of Bullshit promises to fans of the score coming from You. The only thing I've found interesting enough to respond to was the post left by yotsuya and I don't recall dropping any names of the sort, but if I can see that Your behavior is a bit Rude to say the least -Asshole- Sorry, but You have it coming and it finally has to be said by someone. I call 'em like I see 'em and You define the word "Asshole". I seems You are just looking for attention and "popularity" from among strangers on the internet.
There are some people that might know more about this Blade Runner subject than You!
P.S. - Either Shit or Get Off The Pot [That is to say, "Less Talk and More Action"]
Bye Bye Then \(^_^)/
Thank you for your kind words. If you have an actual interest in this project beyond your need to make colorful comments, then I hope you find what you're looking for. Otherwise, I'm sure you can find what you're looking for elsewhere, perhaps from a "certain Composer" or whoever.
deckardB26354 said:yotsuya said:I feel like I've just walked into the twilight zone. Here we are on a forum discussing what is in reality a bootleg collection and we critizice the previous bootlegs and say we want to do away with them. That is a bit hipocritical, don't ya think. Unless you are Vangelis himself, this is a bootleg project, the same (in all legal ways) as any other bootleg of the Blade Runner soundtrack. Don't play all high and mighty because you claim to be doing a restoration. All you are doing is taking bootlegs to another level by claiming it is a restoration. Some of your editing choices indicate a personal preference on your part that, unless you are in posession of the original master tapes (or copies thereof), you cannot justify some of you editing choices.
There are many bootlegs out there of blade runner, but some recent ones have been quiet stellar. I would much prefer the recent bootlegs by Sebastian, Vincente or GreyFedora than music that suffers from merging of tracks that shouldn't be. I don't know what sources these guys use, but they have tracks that are quiet clean and nice, particularly the music from Taffy's bar.
I'd recommend going to Yahoo and finding the Blade Runner Sondtrack group and request admission. They share some interesting music in flac and mp3 and they have better versions of the music from Taffy's bar than I have heard elsewhere.
@yotsuya
I Have to agree on this comment. This whole "Bootleg" thing is really getting old. I have seen the decrease of these item(s) being sold on eBay, meaning that most collector's have either had enough of way too many "Special, Limited Edition, Esper, MR3 or Crappy CDR fan made rip-offs of some other fan made "recording" issues.
It must be frustrating for a collector though, trying to get that "Ultimate Collection", As I have been monitoring this particular forum, It remains to be seen or "heard" for that matter. I own quite a physical collection of original "Boots" that I have purchased since the first one back in '93, some have been Excellent factory made pressings and most are just plain Crappy fan made CDR's. You can end up spending $30-500 USD, depending on which boot it is.
The Original Off World '93 [limited 2000 pressings] is a nice collector's item, but sounds like shit. The same applies for the Gongo release. However, I still believe the Deck Art [limited 500 pressing] was the best produced BR boot to date. There is of course having the rewards of being in the film industry and having a "Special Copy" of the master score sessions, But of a promise I made to a certain Composer, it will NEVER be duplicated or distributed publicly.
yotsuya - Please PM Me with the BR yahoo forum info.
@focuspuller
It is quite interesting to see the dedication of such a "Project", ultimately the sound will only be as got as the source master.
Good Luck on the "TCMC"
I always find it interesting when a post like this, with a certain tone comes from someone "who has been montoring this thread", and yet has never posted before. Aside from the desire to make these kind of posts of course, which, from where I'm standing, seems to be a waste of time. I have made it clear in repeated posts what this project is, nothing more, nothing less. Take it or leave it, when it's released that is. Otherwise all of this is just verbal wanking.
p.s. The name dropping (or attept at it) doesn't impress me. Nor I should think anyone else.
yotsuya said:focuspuller said:You need to take this nonsense elsewhere. This thread (within the greater forum of discussing fan edits and restorations) is about this project, and this project in particular. You can think and feel what you like, discuss what you like, but if it doesn't relate to this project then take it elsewhere. I don't get what is so hard to understand. Any forum or fan related to Vangelis or Blade Runner is great, I've said that many times before. But you need to show an amount of respect to the purpose of this specific thread. If you can't do that, and what you want isn't here then look for it elsewhere. As to what I'm doing, I've explained it within reason. I don't "claim" anything beyond what I have already stated. As for my "editing choices", since I haven't released this yet you'll to wait before you can tell me you hate it, but don't worry, you'll get your chance.
You clearly have your opinions about what you like. That bieng the case, I don't understand your need for posting beyond bashing this project, which is all you seem to want to do given the tone of your other posts. If you want to stay and are interested in what I am trying to offer with this project then great. The fact that you are here, and are posting at all (dispite the nature) tells me that you are. Otherwise, I don't know what else to say beyond what I have already said.
I quite understand that, but that was not the tone of your post. Your tone was putting down all other bootlegs and acting like yours is not another bootleg (even as close as you may get to the original). That's why I said I felt like I was in the twilight zone because the tone of your post was so contrary to the nature of your project. I am eagerly awaiting its release, but I do have reservations about some of the choices you have made. I'm sure they will be resolved one way or another when I hear your final product.
This is the comment that set me off:
"Part of the point of this project is to do away with any and all such bootlegs (bieng sold or otherwise)."
You should be more careful about making such comments. It has a very arrogant sounding tone and is inconsiderate of other people's hard work. You are not the only one who is trying to recreate Vangelis' full original score. I have great respect for all of you who can make such seemless edits from many sources.
I'm not wasting anymore airtime on your posts. I'm not even going to bother and address your claims that I have shown some kind of disrespect, which I haven't. You either get it, or you don't. Your posts on the other hand are disrespectful.
I'll say this once again, if you're interested in this project then great. If you're not then don't waste your time. Unless you like spenting time on things you don't like even if you haven't seen the end result yet.
In other words, blow me.
vcnbcn said:Well , i only can say that this seems the most amazing BR music project i've seen in all these years . Thanks Focuspuller for your effort .
Vicente
That is very kind of you to say. I hope the end result lives up to your wishes.
I am actually on vacation right now so I am going to post more seriously in about a week or less. Until then I hope everyone is well. Stay tuned.
yotsuya said:I feel like I've just walked into the twilight zone. Here we are on a forum discussing what is in reality a bootleg collection and we critizice the previous bootlegs and say we want to do away with them. That is a bit hipocritical, don't ya think. Unless you are Vangelis himself, this is a bootleg project, the same (in all legal ways) as any other bootleg of the Blade Runner soundtrack. Don't play all high and mighty because you claim to be doing a restoration. All you are doing is taking bootlegs to another level by claiming it is a restoration. Some of your editing choices indicate a personal preference on your part that, unless you are in posession of the original master tapes (or copies thereof), you cannot justify some of you editing choices.
There are many bootlegs out there of blade runner, but some recent ones have been quiet stellar. I would much prefer the recent bootlegs by Sebastian, Vincente or GreyFedora than music that suffers from merging of tracks that shouldn't be. I don't know what sources these guys use, but they have tracks that are quiet clean and nice, particularly the music from Taffy's bar.
I'd recommend going to Yahoo and finding the Blade Runner Sondtrack group and request admission. They share some interesting music in flac and mp3 and they have better versions of the music from Taffy's bar than I have heard elsewhere.
You need to take this nonsense elsewhere. This thread (within the greater forum of discussing fan edits and restorations) is about this project, and this project in particular. You can think and feel what you like, discuss what you like, but if it doesn't relate to this project then take it elsewhere. I don't get what is so hard to understand. Any forum or fan related to Vangelis or Blade Runner is great, I've said that many times before. But you need to show an amount of respect to the purpose of this specific thread. If you can't do that, and what you want isn't here then look for it elsewhere. As to what I'm doing, I've explained it within reason. I don't "claim" anything beyond what I have already stated. As for my "editing choices", since I haven't released this yet you'll to wait before you can tell me you hate it, but don't worry, you'll get your chance.
You clearly have your opinions about what you like. That bieng the case, I don't understand your need for posting beyond bashing this project, which is all you seem to want to do given the tone of your other posts. If you want to stay and are interested in what I am trying to offer with this project then great. The fact that you are here, and are posting at all (dispite the nature) tells me that you are. Otherwise, I don't know what else to say beyond what I have already said.
TheInfiniteIconZ. said:Bingowings said:Forgive my ignorance of the track titles but is the piece of music playing during Zhora's Snaketease available?
We only get a quick blast of it in the film but I would like it for something else I'm working on.
It's mostly available on the "BR Outtakes" bootleg. PM me if you'd like for further details.
Yes it's going to be on the collection.
TheInfiniteIconZ. I would prefer that any details or discussions about BR bootlegs outside of the realm of this project be taken elsewhere. That includes incouraging PMs about it on this thread. Part of the point of this project is to do away with any and all such bootlegs (bieng sold or otherwise). If anyone wants to find these bootlegs by all means feel free, there are MANY sites to explore for that. But please don't bring it here.
Sorry to sound like a policeman. You understand where I'm coming from. And thank you for your support.
Ripplin said:^The Adywan logo is on ANH:R as well, in case you didn't know, focuspuller...as has just been stated cuz he posted first. ;) I see it more as a bit of fun than a bit of ego. I don't see him as that kind of guy.
Yeah I did notice, but the Adywan logo starts the dvd along with a piracy disclaimer before the film. Not as an actual part of the film, which is not the same thing. Anyway, my statement stands.
And getting back on topic, it was a very good trailer.
corellian77 said:focuspuller, the "An Adywan Production" screen was in ANH:R too... why wouldn't ady use it here as well?
And in bad taste? I disagree. Based on your previous posts, I must say that you seem very concerned with "stepping on the toes" of others, especially when those toes belong to big corporations.
Relax... this operation is small enough to go unoticed by the empire... which is advantageous considering our clients don't want to draw attention to themselves ;)
I know that my posts of late have had the theme of "I have a bad feeling about this." And believe me I suprise myself for pushing that point, but it's a valid point, and one that I think should be pushed more.
Now I will compliment Ady on his work til the cows come home, as much as the next man. But I will not blow smoke up his ass for the sake of it.
Got the trailer. It looks pretty good. :) What struck me first was how virbrant the colours are. Brilliant. And yes, the shot of Cloud City was nice indeed. The lense flair was a nice touch, but don't get cocky kid. ;)
I will say this, but don't take this the wrong way. I think adding "Adywan Productions" in the trailer is a bit much and slightly in bad taste. I think it's a touch of ego that should be kept in check, hopefully you won't add that to the film itself. I understand your excitment and need to shout about your work from the rooftop (and you should), but I don't think this is that. In the end it's not "Adywan's Star Wars" It's "Lucas Films' Star Wars", Revisited or otherwise.
Other then that, it looks great and exciting! Can't wait.
Hi everyone.
I'm in a slightly better place since last we spoke (for now). I've also had a little time to work on the project so I will have something to report very soon.
I has also been toying with the idea of giving out some kind of "raw release" or "pre-release" as a way of getting this out faster. This would obviously be a kind of "work print" followed by a more polished final version down the road. I will let you know what I decide. Until then, stay tuned.
Sojourn said:focuspuller said:I see nothing wrong with asking for donations (within reason), or offering clips (exclusive or otherwise), I do however think that combinig the two is dangerous, for you, and this project. If someone wanted to make a case against a project like this, this would be one of the ways of doing so.
I greatly support and respect this project, so I speak bluntly, but I mean no offense. I just think you should cover your bases and be careful to a degree.
I understand what you're saying, but I think the difference here is that whatever he's giving to the donators will eventually be released to everyone, for free. It's not like he's giving away a special deleted scene, or an alternate edit of the project, or something like that, which contains copyrighted material not owned by him, that only the donators would get (which could lead to the argument that they were buying the footage). He's just showing it to the donators early. I've seen other fan projects do this before; Ryan Vs. Dorkman 2 is a notable and successful example.
Take care,
Sojourn
Right, but that's not my point. All of that is moot in a legal scenario. Accepting donations for a project involving copyrighted material of any kind whether we like the reasons or not is essentially illegal. That is the clear reality. Then the whole donation concept is taken a step further with a donation incentive, offering an "exclusive clip" to those who donate. In other words a clip in exchange for a donation. In other words money bieng accepted while copyrighted material is passed, whether it be 5 minutes or 2 hours makes no difference.
I'm on Adywan's side, but the lines of action have to be clear.
Again, Ady, I'm not trying to repay you for your work with a slap in the face. Quite opposite infact. But I think that my points are valid and should be kept in mind.
Now, getting back to the subject at hand, I thought that the clip was great. I love the new cloads. The only thing that took me out of the shot was a cut from the red ship flying towards the screen (away from cloud city) to a red ship flying around the city itself. But it all looks great.
Firstly, let me me address the clip issue. I was correct in stating, (at that time) that I had not yet received the clip. However, between then and now I was STILL under the impression that I had not received the link. I discovered that with my spam blocking bieng what it is, it had infact ended up in my junk folder. So I did get it shortly after, I just didn't know it. I also received your PM Ady, so thank you on both counts.
Secondly, in regards to donations, I have nothing but respect for your project, your work on it, and all that it intails. This is also not the first time you have made donations an option, and I take no issue with it. I agree with your reasons and I think it would be foolish to assume you could accomplish a project of this nature without help, in all the ways that you have asked for help. I see nothing wrong with asking for donations (within reason), or offering clips (exclusive or otherwise), I do however think that combining the two is dangerous, for you, and this project. If someone wanted to make a case against a project like this, this would be one of the ways of doing so.
I greatly support and respect this project, so I speak bluntly, but I mean no offense. I just think you should cover your bases and be careful to a degree.
