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Post: #280676
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280676/action/topic#280676
Time: 4-Apr-2007 8:38 AM

I looked at the workprint version of LEGEND on my computer and it worked fine so I think it was just my DVD player. I'll try to double check it again.

I did notice some of the music cues that you added but none of them really bothered me for two reasons :

1) The music was all by Goldsmith

2) You did the best job possible with available sources. None of the edits was so jarring that it killed the flow of the movie.

I'll sit down and watch it again at some point and may have more thoughts for you then, if you are interested.

Also, would it be cool with you if I added the information (and a link to this thread) about the two versions you created to the LEGEND FAQ? If so, I'd like to work with you to document all of the changes/fixes/additions you made.

Thanks!

Sean

Post: #280150
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280150/action/topic#280150
Time: 31-Mar-2007 11:57 PM

LeoneNut,

I got the chance to watch the LEGEND versions you created and I have just one word for you :

Bravo!

I think you did a really great job of cutting the extra footage into the film and using the Goldsmith music to integrate it successfully.

The funny thing about watching the 118 minute version for me was that I found myself realizing several things :

1) I really like the fact that in this version (and the 113 minute cut) you really get to see that Lili is not innocent and that she is changed by the experiences that she goes through during the film.

2) Seeing the alicorn restored to the unicorn at the end of the film is excellent (just like seeing it cut off earlier is cool too!)

3) The film feels really long getting to the point where the world is frozen in snow and ice. I can now see why they decided early on to cut the longer introduction to the film. I just wish we had a more finalized version of that scene - Goldsmith scored it so it had to exist at some point!

Thank you for taking the time and expending the effort to make these versions - I really appreciate it and I know that other LEGEND fans will as well.

Sean

Post: #278484
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/278484/action/topic#278484
Time: 21-Mar-2007 10:39 AM

I received both DVDs a few days ago but have been slammed at work so I haven't had a chance to watch either one all the way through. I did scan both of them and started watching the workprint version. I noticed a glitch where the image froze for a few seconds but I want to test the DVD on my computer and another DVD player to make sure it wasn't my DVD player having an issue.

I will be watching both and reporting back here soon. From what I have seen so far, both discs are outstanding!

Thanks again for all of your effort LeoneNut!

Sean

Post: #267497
Topic: Info: 'Dungeons & Dragons TAS' : The Requiem Project
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/267497/action/topic#267497
Time: 23-Jan-2007 3:43 PM

The requiemproject.org site seems to be gone. Bummer.

Now that the entire run of the Dungeons and Dragons TV show has been released on DVD, and the Requiem script has been included as a PDF and performed by voice artists (including one of the originals), perhaps someone could use the existing footage and cut it against the voice artists and really create a final episode.

Just a thought.

Sean

Post: #265765
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265765/action/topic#265765
Time: 14-Jan-2007 9:09 PM

Restoring the Alicorn Scene

Excellent - Really well done - the music syncs up nicely. I'm REALLY looking forward to this.

Sean

Post: #265680
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265680/action/topic#265680
Time: 14-Jan-2007 10:45 AM

why wouldnt the US get the 94min version anyway,why all the different versions all over the world?

Check out this question on the LEGEND FAQ for more information :

Why are there different versions of LEGEND and how many exist?

Sean

Post: #265587
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265587/action/topic#265587
Time: 13-Jan-2007 1:40 PM

I actually purchased the European version of LEGEND on DVD (Region 2) from Amazon.co.uk (LEGEND DVD).

Hope that helps.

Sean

Post: #265474
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265474/action/topic#265474
Time: 12-Jan-2007 12:48 PM

Now I wish I was at home too so I could look at the two beginnings.

I think the original opening has more footage intercut right at the beginning than the director's cut but I could be wrong.

Either way, using the Director's cut as the basis of the opening is a great idea.

I also think there may be a shot or two of Blix in the beginning of the American cut that is not in the Director's cut (I decided to check this statement the best that I could - I checked my notes on the various versions and I didn't note any differences there. Maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly.)

Either way I think you are totally on the right track.

Sean

Post: #264871
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264871/action/topic#264871
Time: 9-Jan-2007 11:05 AM

I have added back shots and scenes in such a way as to not mess up continuity etc. I think of this first version as an extended version of the director's cut. This is the version that is my personal preference.

I like this concept.

I personally don't have any strong preferences for removing dialogue that is out of place. I think it might be best if this was implemented in the second version with the Alternate Intro and Faerie Dance. Which is what ZakDrizzt originally was interested in.

I like the idea of using your first version of the film as the starting point for the second version (which includes the original intro and fairy dance) without any other changes.

I almost feel that what ZakDrizzt is interested in would be a third version of the film.

Here's how I see it :

Version 1 : Director's cut (Extended Version)
Version 2 : Director's cut (Extended version) with original intro and Fairy Dance
Version 3 : Either of the above versions with ZakDrizzt edits

The question is, do you want to keep making different versions of the film? :-)

I'm more than happy with the first two versions.

Just my two cents.

Sean

Post: #264852
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264852/action/topic#264852
Time: 9-Jan-2007 8:44 AM

Nuts, I've been called out onto the floor. :-)

I see how you can be weary of stepping on Ridley's toes, but then again, you are putting back scenes which he decided to leave out. I think what we're trying to do here is create the best and most complete version of Legend possible.

First and foremost, I look at this edit as LeoneNut's baby - ultimately what he wants to do is what we'll see and that is fine by me - he is the one doing all of the hard work. Thanks again for undertaking this project.

I think it is fine to make suggestions about what we'd like to see but his decisions (and preferences) will end up being the final product. And that is as it should be. If we decide that we'd like the film to be something different, than we can get our hands on the same elements and cut together the version we'd like to see. I just don't have the time for something like that (I'm actually envious of LeoneNut having the opportunity to do this!)

Face it, as much as we love this movie, it's heavily flawed. But the potential is there. Changing dialogue here and there, if it's gonna benefit the movie, I don't see a problem. Maybe a vote is the way to go, as you suggested. We've also got Sean 'figmentfly' keen on this project; what does he think? No one's better equipped than him, seeing as he's been campaigning for an ultimate Legend longer than any of us.

Personally, if I was doing the edit myself, I would keep in any dialogue that was scripted (ala the barbeque line) and would possibly remove the Adios Amigos line as it was not scripted and seems tacked on (my LEGEND FAQ co-author Geoff really hated that line). But then again, the line is still there in the Director's cut.

If I was being strict about it, I'd probably have a policy to keep it if it appeared in the Director's cut. I wouldn't be trying to "improve" the film by editing other dialogue.

It all depends on what LeoneNut is trying to do with this cut.

Personally, I want a cut with as much footage back in the film as long as the returned footage makes sense - I wouldn't just cram everything back in because I could.

But, again, I defer to LeoneNut's final decision.

Sean

Post: #264528
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264528/action/topic#264528
Time: 7-Jan-2007 2:44 PM

I'm going to start looking at the alternate 4 goblins intro at some point, I think I might do two versions. The version I'm completing now and another with the alternate intro and possibly the storyboarded Jack Dance.

I think doing two versions is a great idea!

Using the four goblins opening means removing the opening with Blix and Darkness (presently found in all three versions of the film although with differences between the the Director's cut/European version and the American cut) since the information Darkness tells Blix is repeated with the four goblins footage. Was that your plan to remove the Darkness/Blix scene?

I think of the cut with the four goblins intro and the Fairy Dance like a workprint version of the film. I'll be real interested to see how long the film is with that footage included.

Thanks again for undertaking this recut - I'm psyched for it. :-)

Sean

Post: #262858
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262858/action/topic#262858
Time: 27-Dec-2006 10:14 AM

The Hylia website addressed the issue in the article Zelda: Based on a "Legend"? but I don't know if it's still there.

Found it - http://www.thehylia.com/based_on_a_legend.shtml

The Hylia article also references the following information on http://gannon-banned.com/ :

20. Claiming The Legend of Zelda is based on the movie "Legend":

I am not sure who started this great myth, but it is ending now. I e-mailed IMDB.com to remove that stupid trivia that says Miyamoto was influenced by the Ridley Scott film "Legend". Let's get the facts straight. Zeruda no Densetsu: The Hyrule Fantasy came out in Japan on the Famicom Disk System on February 21st, 1986. Legend came out in limited release in Europe in late 1985 due to an issue with the cut for the North American audience, which Ridley Scott discusses in the Ultimate Edition commentary and special features. Production of both masterpieces began at nearly the same time in 1983 at opposite ends of the globe. Quite frankly, there is a window of maybe two to three months in which Shigeru Miyamoto and company could have flown to Europe, seen Legend, and then flown back to make Zelda. In all honesty folks, Legend has very little in common with the original Legend of Zelda. Sure, Tom Cruise's character of "Jack" wears green clothes and he likes a princess and has to save her from an evil dude, but come on. Jack lives in a forest, has to save unicorns, drinks tea with forest folk, wears gold armor for most of the film, and fights some bull-demon form of Tim Curry. The film is more like Ocarina of Time, which came out in 1998, 12 years after The Legend of Zelda was released anywhere.

Sean

Post: #262727
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262727/action/topic#262727
Time: 25-Dec-2006 10:04 AM

By the way Sean, have you considered addressing on your site the debate over whether Legend influenced Nintendo to make The Legend of Zelda. I don't think it could have inspired the original game since they came out a year apart and aren't very similar. However, there are some interesting similarities with the '98 game Ocarina of Time.

I'd be glad to add this to the faq - do you know of any interviews where the creators of Legend of Zelda and/or Ocarina of Time mention that Legend is or isn't an influence on the game?

Thanks,

Sean

Post: #262346
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262346/action/topic#262346
Time: 21-Dec-2006 11:14 AM

Crud. I forgot to post this originally, although I think some of you found it already.

What is the extra footage in the LEGEND Director's Cut?

I'm really looking forward to seeing this longer cut someday - just let me know what I can do to help.

Sean

Post: #262192
Topic: Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262192/action/topic#262192
Time: 20-Dec-2006 8:19 AM

I wrote an article about the different versions of LEGEND back in 1995.

At that time I broke down the different versions of the film shot by shot. These documents may be helpful in creating a longer cut of the film.

American Version Shot-By-Shot Breakdown

European Version Shot-By-Shot Breakdown

Television Version Shot-By-Shot Breakdown

Director's Cut Version Shot-By-Shot Breakdown

Sean Murphy

Post: #218886
Topic: Phineasbg/ HIGHLANDER II: Extended Versions (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218886/action/topic#218886
Time: 15-Jun-2006 2:06 PM

Originally posted by: FanFiltration

No Way!

That is so kewl to know.

The Fanfiltration re-edit of "DUNE" I did was based mostly on your Video Watchdog articles!

I have the Highlander issues of Video Watchdog as well, and it's top rate research work!

Glad to know fans like you are around here...

FF

Wow, I'm glad the article was useful for you. I'm going to see if I can track down the FanFiltration Edit of Dune so I can check it out.

The notes I used for the article can be found here : Dune shot-by-shot breakdowns

Sean

Post: #218513
Topic: Phineasbg/ HIGHLANDER II: Extended Versions (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218513/action/topic#218513
Time: 14-Jun-2006 1:22 PM

Don't know if this will help with the restoration or not, but the Highlander II article I wrote for Video Watchdog about the three (at the time) versions of the film (American, European and Renegade) can be found here Highlander 2 Article.

I also posted the shot-by-shot breakdowns I did for all three versions of the film here Shot-By-Shot breakdowns of Highlander 2.

Sean

Post: #196666
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196666/action/topic#196666
Time: 29-Mar-2006 11:25 PM

Hmmmm, where do I find your e-mail address?

Post: #196640
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196640/action/topic#196640
Time: 29-Mar-2006 10:40 PM

I've always used Omnipage on the Mac for OCR - check out their website at http://www.nuance.com/omnipage/mac/. Worked pretty well for me in the past although I have not used the more recent versions.

I would be interested in helping with the documentary and book. Perhaps if you get a list of people who want to help, you can farm out things you need help with so that people are not duplicating work.

Should I e-mail you off-line to talk about this?

Sean

Post: #194006
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/194006/action/topic#194006
Time: 16-Mar-2006 12:33 PM

I just wanted to drop and say thank you for creating the recobbled version. I have resisted watching any of the released versions, instead trying to find a copy of the work print (and waiting and hoping that Disney was going to release a restored version). To say that I can't wait to see your version is an understatement.

I'm really glad that people keep coming out of the woodwork with more footage and different cuts - although I'm sorry that means more work for you. It's all worth it.

Keep up the great work!

Sean