Hi, Can I get a link? This would be great to see and hear the original theatrical version. Thanks.
FYI - for those living in the LA area. Not sure if this is good news or bad news for this forum.
Amadeus in 4K Restoration World Premiere.
Programmed by K.J. Relth-Miller.
Note by Robert Reneau.
DIRECTED BY: Milos Forman. WRITTEN BY: Peter Shaffer. WITH: F. Murray Abraham, Tom Hulce, Elizabeth Berridge, Simon Callow. 1984. 158 min. USA. Color. Scope. English. Rated PG. 4K DCP. Original theatrical release version 4K restoration by the Saul Zaentz Co. and Academy Film Archive.
DAVID GEFFEN THEATER
Friday
May 31, 2024 7:30pm PT
Not sure if outside links are allowed, but just search “Amadeus in 4K Restoration World Premiere.”
a 4K home release shouldn’t be too far behind… I hope.
evilronin said:
Awesome. I didn’t think you could do it digitally. I’ll do more research. I’m trying to pick up a rf demod from eBay. Nostalgia is going cost me. Can you give me any direct links on the process? No worries if not, I’ll dig around myself. Thanks.I haven’t done it myself, but you basically need a sound card and recording set-up that can capture audio bit-perfect. That can actually be more of a pain than it sounds; a lot of cards and software re-sample stuff.
- Here’s instructions on how to ensure that on Creative X-Fi Cards: https://app.box.com/s/6135gvxl13utjo0dj9n8
- You then record straight from the audio out (should sound like garbage, because it’s Dolby digital data before decoding). And save your recording to a wav file without any adjustments.
- Then you bsconvert to interpret the encapsulated AC3 stream inside the wav file.
http://www.ac3filter.net/wiki/AC3Filter_tools#bsconvert- (bsconvert should work for DTS and Dolby Digital. DTS can also use “DTS parser”:http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SUCCESS-Bit-Perfect-Audio-Capture/id/15988)
- You can then use eac3to or a similar tool to edit the AC3 to sync it to the new video while avoiding transcoding:
https://forum.fanres.com/thread-1587.html
(You can also edit the wav file before converting it with bsconvert.)That’s just my basic understanding. If you have any questions, there’s many members here and on fanres that will be happy to help if you make a thread.
I never thanked you for the info. Update (whether you care or not, I guess), used the x-fi titanium, capture was straightforward, (sigh) some issues with bsconvert and eac3to ate a lot of the dynamic range I was hoping to retain. Had to play with sampling rates a bit and recapture a few times to overcome this. Long story short, now I’m running into some major drifting issues (sync), I have some speculation as to the cause, but nothing for sure, major suspect is the difference in source video versus HD format, which I didn’t think would have any bearing since is strictly raw audio not beholding to frame rates as such, but I could be wrong. Anyway, that’s where I’m at. Thanks for the info, it saved me some time with research. Cheers.
I’m pretty sure there’s more than a few people between this forum and Fanres that can capture LD AC3 just fine. We have LD AC3 captures of all the 1997 SW trilogy Special Edition 5.1 audio tracks, and the 1999 TPM 5.1 as well. If you were willing to lend your LD to someone with the equipment, I’m sure they’d be more than willing to capture it for you.
Great. I never said you couldn’t. I just think the extraction process wouldn’t be worth the effort due to quality degradation.
Okay, good talk.
JEDIT: ElectricTriangle said what I was gonna say before I decided you were being unnecessarily snobby and dickish about it.
Sor-ry forum emperor, I didn’t realized being courteous and apologizing ahead of time in my original post is considered snobby and dickish. Now I understand a bit more why people might be reluctant to post or donate an LD AC3 track. Thanks for providing me with my daily dose of irony. It’s humbling to be called a snob and dickish by someone who is eloquently courteous and understanding.
evilronin said:
Hopefully, I’m an idiot and don’t know what I’m talking about and there is a digital way to extract the AC-3RF from the laserdisc while retaining its original qualityThere is. People do that on these forums all the time. If you have a RF demodulator that can bitstream DD, then you can just capture that with no re-encoding.
Awesome. I didn’t think you could do it digitally. I’ll do more research. I’m trying to pick up a rf demod from eBay. Nostalgia is going cost me. Can you give me any direct links on the process? No worries if not, I’ll dig around myself. Thanks.
I’m pretty sure there’s more than a few people between this forum and Fanres that can capture LD AC3 just fine. We have LD AC3 captures of all the 1997 SW trilogy Special Edition 5.1 audio tracks, and the 1999 TPM 5.1 as well. If you were willing to lend your LD to someone with the equipment, I’m sure they’d be more than willing to capture it for you.
Great. I never said you couldn’t. I just think the extraction process wouldn’t be worth the effort due to quality degradation.
Some time ago, I couldn’t keep up with the download requests, so it went up to MySpleen, but now that seems to be a dead-end since they dropped invites. I’d love to rerelease this as a V3. My goal would be to get ahold of the PCM stereo track from one of the laserdisc releases, along with the original commentary. A potential V3 would include the original LD audio, original commentary, LD AC3, DVD AC3 (if materially different from LD), and ISO music track. I don’t have the time or resources to track the laserdisc down or capture the audio, but if someone were to donate it, then I’d jump in on a V3. I would have to start from scratch.
There’s also got to be a better way to remove the “Director’s Cut” title than the way I did before.
If a DCP version exists of the theatrical cut, that’s a game changer. That needs to be out there somehow.
First off, nice work, mate! I thank you for your rigorous hard work. Amazing!
Secondly, I have the PSE-LD however, I’m not sure why nobody has come forward to say this yet, perhaps they have and I’ve haven’t combed through all the years and years of posts, if that’s the case, I apologize in advance. That said, extracting LD AC-3 is problematic at best if not virtually impossible, at least to keep the quality in its original form. Again, sorry if I’m repeating this, but LD AC-3 is quite different than DD AC-3 that was later widely used on DVD. LD AC-3 is actually not encoded onto a digital disc. The information is digital, but LD itself is an analog format despite its appearance or name. Basically, it’s like recording digital ones and zeros information onto a vinyl record. LD AC-3 required an RF demodulator for playback, LD AC-3 is often referred to as AC-3RF. There are no “files” to extract. It’s like trying to “extract” a song from a tape cassette. The only way to do this would be real-time playback and capture, dubbing (where are all the 80’s kids at?). The rub is that the quality will be less than stellar if not just on par with the DD AC-3 on the dvd anyway, this will negate the trouble of going through the process of capturing it to begin with. Hopefully, I’m an idiot and don’t know what I’m talking about and there is a digital way to extract the AC-3RF from the laserdisc while retaining its original quality, but if that was the case, I think somebody would have donated the track by now, since this appears to not have happened yet, I have to sadly assume my theory to be right, at least for now. I would try myself, I have a working Pioneer player with a AC-3 RF output, however, with great hubris, sold my Marantz surround receiver with a built-in AC-3 RF demodulator when DVD came out thinking; new tech = better quality. Boy, was I an idiot. I already owned a laserdisc player and discs at the time of the Amadeus PSE release, but luck would have it, my dad bought a Pioneer AC-3 LD player from a garage sale for $10! So I drop cash on an AC-3 receiver and this Amadeus edition just to hear what the big deal was all about. At the risk of sounding like a wuss, I nearly wept. The LD AC-3 was, to quote Salieri upon seeing Mozart’s music on paper, “miraculous.”