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#321662
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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GoodMusician, thanks for your mix of the original score.  If nothing else, I like seeing it preserved.  I would think it was too much for a project like this, but Ady added "Battle of the Heroes" to A New Hope, and at least this was originally written for this movie.  Like Lucas probably vetoed the original cut like you showed, Ady may do the opposite.  In the end it wasn't up to John Williams and its not up to us, its up to the director.

May Ady's will be done.

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#321610
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321610/action/topic#321610
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ChainsawAsh said:

Ady, quick question:

One of the little things I loved most about ANH:R was the way you edited the opening crawl so "EPISODE IV" appeared at the same cue it did pre-ANH. Well, for ESB, "EPISODE V" appears at the same time "EPISODE IV" does in the re-release/SE print of ESB. In fact, ALL of the movies are like this.

Do you plan on altering the opening crawls so they start at the proper cue for all the films, the way you did with ANH? I, for one, would LOVE to see this happen (at least with the OT).

Oh, and I like the original music cue - it's very epic, and reminds me a lot of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS for some reason. Perhaps you could try it out and see how it works in context with your edit and the rest of the sound track, Ady?


I noticed that too when I was getting elements from Episode III for some reason. Like they never noticed that they changed the timing when they added the episode number. Eh, I don't get it.
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#321566
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321566/action/topic#321566
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GoodMusician said:

The reason I demostrated the original cue (yes, that's the ORIGINAL Probe Droid cue) rather than the film alternate is that is Ady is going to be rebuilding the Sound field, then the alternate will produce more problems than it will solve.

For one, the music quality is different than the rest becuase it was one of a couple tracks that are improperly and haphazardly mixed on the SE.

Two, it's missing a few bars which enable the transition between it and the music as Luke is on the taun taun.

And lastly, to simply show what it was like.

As for the request to mix in the sfx, I've done that before... but my video got pulled from YouTube... I'll post it again here if you'd like...


You already have it SFXed? Awesome. You can post it here, we won't tell anyone!
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#321547
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321547/action/topic#321547
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I took the basic form from whoever started the original entry on fanedits.com and made all the of other versions. I found the changes info by going through the thread and finding the post where Ady announces the final changes in each version. I've had him look over the fanedits.com, and he says they are accurate to the best of his knowledge. I like the actual screenshots of each release, I just used the master thing from the first post. I think since the PAL and NTSC versions' only difference is one subtitle track, I think we can combine it to just XVID, DVD-5, DVD-9, and PURIST. I don't think they would need different screenshots, especially the PURIST version as it has no menus and not any visual changes that screenshots would justify.
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#321538
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321538/action/topic#321538
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GM, I don't understand much of where you got the music, but thanks for the edits. The more I hear it, the more I think I like the Alternate Probe Droid, or Original, or whichever one is in your edit. I really like the little teaser of the Imperial March (though its not a teaser in Revisited as it is already in ANHR a couple times). Also the more I listen to it, the more I would like to see Edit 1 balanced against the sound effects, which may or may not be impossible, and this upcoming debate may be all for naught.

I've never really minded the farfare that was there, but I understand why some might want to replace it. If we're only replacing that one part, I would do Edit 2. I like that theme.

EDIT: I had never heard the theme from Edit 2 before this morning, now I heard it in the Star Wars Games Retrospective!
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#321486
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321486/action/topic#321486
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Finally watched the new preview, and I have say that we should stop calling this "color correction" and start calling it "colorizing." The steps that you have to go through to get the colors right has to be just as hard as coloring a black and white movie. Funny how George is against colorizing classic black and white movies, but he makes his classic movie blue and white!

I think seven has a pretty comprehensive list going, he just might need to update it a bit. Between all of us, I think we can work from that and add things others may have missed. Don't you worry about it, leave it to us! You have enough to worry about.
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#321380
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321380/action/topic#321380
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Ripplin said:

Boy, they sure were inconsistent with the backgrounds! You don't notice quite as much until the screenshots are put up. ;)


Well, think about it, each angle required a completely different huge painting than the one before, and no 3D model (physical or not) existed for them to match up to, so they just had to guess. Then with the SE they had to refer to these handful of paintings and try to figure out how they would look in 3D, then only change half the shots (sorry, bias showing through there). It also looks like there's a lot more buildings that should be seen from the Falcon's platform in the CGI approach shots... There's only so much one man can do to fix it.
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#321373
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321373/action/topic#321373
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Savage makes good points. I've gone back and forth enough, but I suppose my first screenshots stand with Savage's idea here.

Here are more background comparisons:

Slave 1 load:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3041/esbslave1loadlj7.jpg
Slave 1 leave:
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1817/esbslave1qe4.jpg

These backgrounds do not match at all, and the clouds behind the close up of Fett match the load screen and not the leave one.

Falcon arrive:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3010/esbfalcon1do4.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5728/esbfalcon2qw4.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8905/esbfalcon3tj5.jpg
Falcon leave:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9699/esbcloudcity2ks9.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

The shot of Han walking towards Lando and the shot of Lando and Co running towards the Falcon match almost perfectly. Everyone walking straight towards camera is a really good match to the Falcon blasting off. It all looks good, except that none of the clouds matching the more CGI shots.

So my vote is to change Slave 1's background in all the shots, because the Falcon one's match fairly well.

Ramp arrive:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4620/esbdoorwaysw3.jpg
Ramp leave:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6492/esbcloudcity3dw9.jpg

The ramp towards the city has the fancy CGI background that kind of matches the original matte, but as they leave its back to the matte. Maybe we could recolor the CGI to replace the matte as they're leaving.
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#321329
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321329/action/topic#321329
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Just for Sevb, here's some more screenshots of Things I Never Noticed and One Thing I Have:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1817/esbslave1qe4.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

Like I said, the buildings don't match the other shot of the Falcon anyway. Too bad they're the same as Slave 1's also. Oh, and Slave one's clear cockpit got bluescreened all the way out. Maybe we could do something about that too.

I also can't wait to see the Falcon's "exhaust" being blue all of the time.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3886/esbcloudrefineru8.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4776/esbcloudxwingst6.jpg

At least they recomposited Cloud City to make it different sizes.

And my personal favorite that I ran into while fast forwarding:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8874/esbreflectionca5.jpg

Um, yeah. That's unfortunate.

I'm going to work with ImperialFighter on one of his concepts soon.
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#321328
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321328/action/topic#321328
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Darth Stewie said:



Okay, here's me trying to swing you back again....... <AWESOMENESS>


Darn you Darth Stewie. Darn you to heck. I was watching the movie in fast forward to get those shots, I forgot about "What about those fighters?!" I guess we would need fighters then to make that make more sense. Why didn't you mention that before?!

I agree that it should be more than 3 fighters. But if the Falcon goes back to the City to pick up Luke, I guess no one notices them for a while because they went to the underside...

I love being in the middle of these debates, I wish I didn't switch sides so often. :-)

Can't wait to hear what Ady thinks after his daughter's prom.
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#321315
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321315/action/topic#321315
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So, I took screenshots of 6 of the shots of Cloud City after Lando calls for the evacuation, the shots that could have some more ships.

1:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4980/esbcloudcity1gb9.jpg

I like this shot, but we'd need to see glimpses of the window or lighting on her face as she's shooting back at the troopers. Also, maybe a couple more ships leaving if the shot is kept in it's post-SE state.

2:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9699/esbcloudcity2ks9.jpg

Maybe a few ships leaving in the background.

3:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6492/esbcloudcity3dw9.jpg

Maybe more ships in this shot since theoretically we are looking towards the center of the buildings.

4:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

I think the same ships that were in shot 2 should still be trying to leave. And it looks like the buildings don't match very well with the previous shots, like they didn't SE this one.

5:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2144/esbcloudcity5st9.jpg

The shot could be moved up so we could see teeny tiny ships leaving, but not too many as to be a swarm of flies... Maybe have the TIEs enter from the upper left side of the frame, tense up the scene a bit more.

6:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3553/esbcloudcity7pu4.jpg

Now I think some ships could be getting shot at in the background.

And there's my Visual 5 Cents. So I think the TIEs should be brought in shortly after "Bring my shuttle" maybe like they were launched along with Vader's shuttle.
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#321309
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321309/action/topic#321309
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Here's my 5 cents on the "TIE Fighters at Cloud City" issue:

At first I was excited about the prospect, then I read the good arguments about how that really wouldn't be Vader's MO. Then Darth Stewie turned me back around to liking it as we don't get to see much Imperial oppression against innocents. However, I still don't think it fits due to sequences in the movie.

Lando and Co blast their way out of Cloud City and leave in the Falcon with no problem. Then they turn around and pick up Luke. THEN the TIEs come down on them. I think that's when the "more Imperial troops" are arriving, because if there's already TIEs in the air over Cloud City, how does the Falcon leave, come back, and pick up Luke without being shot at?

I'm all for having various ships leaving after Lando announces the Empire's intentions (and as a fan of "Firefly", you could have Serenity really small in the background), but I'm no for the TIEs.


Another 5 cents about the open hallway. I love the new shot, and with some fixed reflections, I think it would be very nice.
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#321170
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321170/action/topic#321170
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topdawg193 said:

My favourite edit in ANH:R was the computer displays in the Rebel Base at Yavin. I was wondering if the Rebel Hoth Base could be touched up in a similar way? I'm thinking specifically about the screens in the control room (the room in which the lady says 'stand by Ion Control. And...fire'). Obviously nothing too over the top, but maybe the displays here could benefit from little digital annotations/text appearing across them, and possibly small digital diagrams and graphics flashing on the screens.

I thought the way the displays were handled in ANH:R was very tasteful, and it'd be great if the same could be done for Empire.


Good idea! I don't recall having heard that before, but I'm sure it entered Ady's mind. We're all too focused on fixing the little mistakes and ignoring the pretty improvements to be made!
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#321094
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321094/action/topic#321094
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sunday256 said:

Well, I heard back from my contact that worked at Lowry Digital. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get any information about the coloring changes because there was none to give since he didn't start there until after SW was completed. Plus he mentioned NDAs.


I was just reading articles about Lowry's work and here's what Jim Ward, Vice President of Marketing and Distribution for Lucasfilm and Executive Producer of the collection said:

"We’d done a lot of work on the films prior to going to John [Lawry], re-mastering them in high-def, down-converting them into standard def, and re-color timing them. We actually took a cleaning pass through Industrial Light and Magic, as well, but then ultimately took them down to John to make them pristine."

-Apple Canada

So it sounds like ILM digitized the film, down-converted it, color-timed it, tried to clean it, and then sent the remains to Lowry to be cleaned up. Does that mean ILM add the new 2004 changes to the damaged print? It does seem like ILM is responsible for the bad colors though.
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#321085
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321085/action/topic#321085
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I was just reading the Wikipedia entry on the "List of changes in Star Wars re-releases" and I found a couple things that might be cool.

Deleted Scenes said:

In the carbon-freezing sequence, C-3PO's complete line would have been "I'm not ready to die on the back of a demented wookiee!" (the italicized words were deleted from all versions of the film, but were heard in their entirety on the Story of The Empire Strikes Back LP).


That'd be interesting to hear, and maybe squeeze in if its not too distracting.

Changes to 2004 DVD said:

When Luke confronts Vader in the carbon-freezing chamber and ignites his lightsaber, the sound from the original release is overlapped in this scene by the sound produced by Luke's new lightsaber in Return of the Jedi.


Since you're redoing most of the sound, I'm sure you'll fix this.

Film Changes said:


# After the Probe droid lands and moves left, there is an optical wipe to the overhead shot of Luke on his Tauntaun.
# After Luke wanders through the snow and falls face down, there is an optical wipe to Han instead of a straight cut.


Have you tried restoring/adding these wipes? I was pretty confused at the phrasing of the 70mm vs 35mm in the article. But I think a wipe might be useful in the first scene especially, to show that we're actually traveling back in time to before the probe landed.


Also, the article mentions ANHR, which is pretty cool.

EDIT: And though the article doesn't mention it due to gross clerical error, there is an errant slowflake on Chewbacca's foot. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here yet.