dlvh

sunday256 said:

Actually my screengrab was right off the printscreen. I didn't adjust it at all. My monitor settings are set at default actually. It appears exactly as your screengrabs color and brightness wise. Just smaller/

I'm wondering if what we're seeing is the middle part of that scene actually being shot on a different day because it looks less saturated and the sky is actually more white than blue. Look at 29:29, 30:11 and 32:00. There seems a stark contrast in color and saturation with the 30:11 timecode being more white than blue compared to the other two timecodes. Excuse the sloppy pasting job...

 

That may very well be, that those scenes were shot on different days. Mark Hamil is lying differently when Alec comes over to him to help him up. Good eye!

 

sunday256 said:

dlvh said:

sunday256 said:

DragoonClawNZ said:

I'm not entirely sure on this but there was something on this post: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-REMASTERED-is-now-officially-released/post/557865/#TopicPost557865

Mverta was talking about the bulbs used when this was being projected and that a bulb from the 70s had a warmer yellow hue to it.

 

After further thought, I'm of the mind my monitor settings may not be setup properly to display the movie in the anticipated result. I'm not sure exactly sure what that scene is supposed to "look like" anymore. LOL. Anyone want to post their screencaps at 30:41 and 30:43? I'm curious what everyone else is seeing.

I'm seeing what appears to be too much brightness as well here. Don't get me wrong, this whole project by Harmy was a MAJOR undertaking on his part, with a lot of help from many others also, and I don't want to come off like I am any sort of expert on how to adjust things according to color timing. Anyway, here they are:

 

Interesting. I'm seeing the exact same image color wise. This doesn't match what I saw Harmy's screen capture from back in January. Granted, it's not the same screen grab, but it's of the same scene. I don't know about the rest of you but I see more white saturation than yellow with less contrast and a very mild green in Obi-Wan's cloak. If I adjust my monitor's settings, I can get it fairly close to the intended result in Harmy's screenshot, but I'm not at all sure if Harmy intended that kind of monitor recalibration or if it should look as intended from default monitor settings. My screencapture is below Harmy's images.

 

Yes, that is exactly the colors/tones/contrast etc that I am, seeing as well. It does not look like the work print above that was shown to us a while back. It looks washed out and too bright on all my display devices...computer monitor, Plasma TV and LCD TV.

Here is a screen grab from my desktop computer running VLC Media Player:

sunday256, I like your adjusted picture there. It has just about the right amount of color, contrast and saturation...I believe...Nice work, if you did that!

sunday256 said:

DragoonClawNZ said:

I'm not entirely sure on this but there was something on this post: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-REMASTERED-is-now-officially-released/post/557865/#TopicPost557865

Mverta was talking about the bulbs used when this was being projected and that a bulb from the 70s had a warmer yellow hue to it.

 

After further thought, I'm of the mind my monitor settings may not be setup properly to display the movie in the anticipated result. I'm not sure exactly sure what that scene is supposed to "look like" anymore. LOL. Anyone want to post their screencaps at 30:41 and 30:43? I'm curious what everyone else is seeing.

I'm seeing what appears to be too much brightness as well here. Don't get me wrong, this whole project by Harmy was a MAJOR undertaking on his part, with a lot of help from many others also, and I don't want to come off like I am any sort of expert on how to adjust things according to color timing. Anyway, here they are:

Happy Birthday Harmy!!! and thank you very much for the birthday present!!!

This would indeed be wonderful to see in a theater-like setting, like it was in 1977, with Dolby Surround Sound and the like.

HI fellows,

Say, a while back I tried to download the Revisited "Purist" version, but I couldn't get it to open either. Is there someone here who wouldn't mind helping me out here with a link or something? I'd really appreciate it!

Love the Revisited DVD9 version, but would like to see the "Purist" version.

Hey fellows. Don't get me wrong, I think Harmy is doing a wonderful job with this whole project! And I want to thank him again! I'm not the one to "bitch" about the coloring or grading, or really anything that Harmy is doing here, I'm just pointing things out that I think might be.. "off" in some way, from the way I saw it in the theater in the summer of 1977.

And indeed, if Harmy does go ahead with what he thinks is the way it really should look, and if I or others don't really like a certain thing about it, yes, we could really adjust it to "our liking" (although I have no idea how to do that) that is our prerogative.

It looks like the Senator Screening pictures, taken with whatever camera that it was taken with, has an overall greenish tint to it as well. If you look:  http://savestarwars.com/technicoloribscreening.html  you can tell by looking at the thumbnails even, that there is this overall greenish hue/tint to them, as well as a good amount of graininess of course.

I haven't got 1/20th of the skill that Harmy has to do this project (probably a LOT less even) but I certainly feel, if he wants our opinion, I am going to give it to him in the way that I remember seeing it.

swduck said:

I think the green tint in the desert is party due to them using a green/grey filter to achieve a day for night/twilight effect, when filming at those times wasn't practical, isn't it?  There's a whole mix of brightness conditions that aren't consistent for advancing day, depending on when they were able to film. In the SE's one or more of the replaced shots shows it almost being twilight/ nightfall. A bit strange, because when they get to the farm it actually appears brighter and earlier, again. I guess they could have gone through a night period, then day and arrived at the farm almost a whole day later, but it's not obvious..

Harmy's version 1.0 doesn't have this greenish tint in it, and looks much better. I am attempting to show a comparison screenshot.

Were there others that also noticed the opening star field moving as well?

I have a few that may have been brought up before:

1. During the opening word scroll, the whole star field seems to move a bit from side to side..from about :28 seconds to about 2:05. Then as the camera pans down, the star field is steady and stable.

2. At time stamp 2:59 and about 3:03, when there is a closeup of R2-D2, his color blue seems to be a bit more greenish than is his normal color throughout the rest of the movie(s). 

3. When R2-D2 is to be attacked by the Jawas, from time stamp 11:30 to 12:35, the color/tint seem to be a bit greenish/off-tint, and perhaps a bit dull? This off-tint may continue to time stamp 14:32.

If these have been discussed before, and are part of the needed color correction, sorry, but I'm glad then that someone else sees it as well.

Love the newly brightened Tatooine scenes Harmy! You are doing a fantastic job!

Harmy said:

Yes.

Lol...Ok!

Harmy, it's ultimately up to you, as to whether you are going to leave the Burn Marks in or not. It's your project, and I wish you, all the best.

TServo2049 said:

dlvh said:

That would be great for all the fans that originally saw it, and know it was in there, in the summer of '77

I'm sorry, but it's been discussed inside and out on this forum how the scene doesn't exist, and why so many people remember it when it never happened.

dlvh really said:

That would be great for all the fans that read the novelization over and over after the film was no longer in theaters, and thus mistakenly "remembered" the scene being in the actual film.

In a time before video, when the only way to see a movie was when it was in theaters, these kind of false memories happened. (In fact, even after video, people still "remembered" seeing extra scenes in the theater, like the infamous, nonexistent closeup of Anthony Hopkins cutting into Ray Liotta's brain in "Hannibal.")

I'm sorry, but it has been proven that this scene was only in the novelization. It wasn't in any version of the film, it was never filmed, and it was never in any version of the script.

Hmm...Luke must have been a very good throw then on his first try, and I better tell my brain, that Luke didn't miss his mark, gather up the excess line, wind up and try again, this time hitting his mark.

CatBus said:

dlvh said:

Does this mean that you are going to find this "missed throw" clip somewhere and insert it to where it should be in the movie also...for the people who saw it in the theaters when it was introduced in May-July (or later) of 1977?

That would be great for all the fans that originally saw it, and know it was in there, in the summer of '77

As soon as some hard evidence of the missed throw materializes, he'll be right on it.  However, it's not on any of the original 35mm reels anyone's ever gotten their hands on (badly faded, but usable enough to in/validate this claim), nor on any in-theatre video recordings, or anything else.

Top Men.

Did someone mention here, that there was "outtake video" of this instance? Or was it just talk that they decided NOT to put it in, do to time restraints, or what-not? My theater had it in, but perhaps My theater had a very early copy that later version s left it out...?

Harmy said:

Man, I can tell you this, I never noticed those burn marks in my old VHS of STAR WARS that I have watched so much that it got worn out and yet, they were there, I know because I checked the first time someone pointed them out in this forum.

Does this mean that you are going to find this "missed throw" clip somewhere and insert it to where it should be in the movie also...for the people who saw it in the theaters when it was introduced in May-July (or later) of 1977?

That would be great for all the fans that originally saw it, and know it was in there, in the summer of '77. Just pointing it out to you, here and now. wink!

Longtime lurker here,

OK...I'm also in the "No Burn mark Camp"... the reason...

Harmy, did anyone say to you, "where is the burn mark in the opening 

scene on the Tantive IV, where R2-D2 and C3PO are walking in the 

hallway" after you released version 1.0? I don't recall seeing the 

burn marks when I saw Star Wars in the theater in '77. Granted, I 

don't recall keeping my eyes open during the whole movie, but I think 

I would have caught that in the opening several minutes of the film, 

after all, it was the first time I'd ever even been in a movie 

theater, and this was my first movie. I was nearly 16 years of age, 

and very impressionable.

I'm also one of those guys that remembers Luke throwing his (rope) 

line across the cavern twice, becasue he missed the first time, and 

no one will ever tell me that wasn't in the film...because it was in 

there, in the theater I saw it in.

I want to personally thank you Harmy for this entire project. All the 

hard work that you are doing, and putting up with countless issues 

that arise. 

Bless you!