It’s striking when I compare my copy of L8wrtr’s to HAL 9000’s version. The video noise is irritating in L8wrtr’s. Maybe I’ll try getting ahold of the AVCHD version for comparison. I figured the Blu Ray version would look the best. It certainly has the largest file size.
For some reason, I find my copies of L8wrtr’s edits to have a noticeable issue with video noise compared to the edits of others I have (Q2, Seciors, HAL 9000). I’m wondering if it’s just my copies, but I have the Blu Ray versions (BDMV folder) and they are 1080p technically so I would expect to not see this noise issue. It becomes especially bad and noticeable in Episode III Dawn of the Empire. Does anyone know why I would be seeing this?
This thread touches a nerve for me. I’m still dreaming of a preservation/reconstruction of the 1981 version of the movie that looks as HD as Harmy’s.
The director of Episode IX wants to shoot it using film and using real space footage:
The emperor manipulated Vader to throw him down that shaft.
With all of the above being said, I’d just like to add 3 small caveats, with no aggressive intentions:
You can criticize something and appreciate it at the same time; they are not mutually exclusive.
If it’s ok to criticize George Lucas, then it’s ok to criticize a fan who has changed George Lucas’s work
Fan editors do their work knowing that people will have responses, and if they get offended they are fully capable of speaking up for themselves.
HAL and I have communicated via private messages and I made sure there were no hard feelings or personal offense taken. I completely agree with every word of what you’ve said about the gratitude fan editors deserve for their work, and I have expressed gratitude to HAL for his wonderful edits.
My comments are primarily motivated by a desire to see these edits be as good as they can possibly be. I can see why you would call my “no excuse” wording “unfortunate”, and I admit I could have made the point less forcefully, but I was never intentionally implying that Cloak of Deception is a bad fan edit or that HAL is a bad editor
Even if you use the OT as your only reference, they make it very clear that Luke could not be considered a “Jedi” until his training was 100% completed. So that still presents a problem with calling Obi Wan a “Jedi Knight” at the beginning of Episode I.
I’d be open to a thread devoted to this subject. Sorry again for discussing it here.
Not according to the movies. They make an explicit distinction between Padawans and Knights, even though both are affiliated with the Jedi Order.
I’m just responding but I really don’t mean to derail this thread
Seciors edits are actually easy to acquire if you know how. Send me a private message if you are interested.
Also, one little comment about HAL 9000’s edit of Episode I: He still calls both Qui Gonn and Obi Wan “Jedi Knights” in his opening title crawl, even though he leaves in Obi Wan receiving that title at the end of the movie. This is one of the most blatant errors in the prequel trilogy (an explicit contradiction within the same episode), and I don’t think any fan editor has an excuse for not fixing it, especially when they write their own title crawl as HAL 9000 did, so he could have made it say whatever he wanted. In his audio commentary HAL 9000 doesn’t mention why he did it that way.
Please keep in mind that regardless of the above, I have great respect for HAL 9000 edits and his audio commentary, and I don’t mean any offense to him.
I’m sorry, but if the movie has already told you, on more than one occasion, that poop exists, that should be enough information for you (it’s a little too much for me, but it doesn’t bother me). It should really go without saying that if poop exists, it has to go some place. You’re going to question that such a place exists until the movies show it to you or explicitly work it into a line of dialogue? Then what’s your alternative explanation for what happens to the poop? It disappears seconds after you excrete it, the way Yoda and Ben disappeared after they died?
I strongly recommend that you also consider the “Revisited” edition of “Return of the Sith”, which is Seciors’ most recent edit of Episode I, and also “Army of the Republic”, which is Seciors’ edit of Episode II. At the very least they are both worthy of consideration next to the other edits you’ve already mentioned.
I am interested in this thread and discussion, because even though it’s already been discussed a lot in these forums in the past, there has been more recent fan editing work produced in the meantime, and I’d like to know if the favorites that members on this forum have chosen in the past are still their favorites today. So I hope that if there are veteran members of this forum who aren’t posting in this thread because they’ve already written about it in the past, they will still indulge me anyway and post their up-to-date opinions on this subject.
The way I imagined it as a kid, we would have seen a gradual and natural progression in Anakin’s character in the PT from a good guy who we identify with to Darth Vader. Instead, the PT portrays him as obviously bad as soon as Hayden Christensen is first introduced near the beginning of AotC. Right in that first scene, he’s blatantly defiant to Obi Wan in front of everyone, the look on everyone’s face is along the lines of… “um… should we start calling him ‘Darth’ now or later?”
This was one of my biggest problems with the portrayal of his character in the PT… scene after scene after scene of him holding up a huge sign that says, “I’m headed to the dark side in a handbasket” and everyone else acts like there’s nothing that can be done about it. If “Breaking Bad” is an example of a tragic character arc done effectively, then this is the textbook example of the precise opposite.
I know but I need to make these copies today, as today will be my last chance to run into the person I’m giving them to. They are a Christmas present for a friend of mine. So I’m hoping I can get all the information I need over the next several hours. So I will need blu ray discs for all three movies, not dual layer dvd’s right? I will not settle for any quality loss
That’s all? I’ve never used that before. What about Return of the Jedi? That’s in some kind of avchd format or something, not mkv
Is there anyone kind enough to private message me regarding the subject of burning the despecialized edition without any quality loss?
This thread seems as good as any for me to throw this out there:
I would have LOVED to see a Star Wars trilogy done Peter Jackson style (either the prequels or the upcoming sequels). That would excite me a lot more than the other director names that have been attached to the films. It's probably the only thing that would have a chance at getting me to reopen myself to the possibility of putting new Star Wars material on a comparable level of honor with my favorite films.
I'm sure this is probably a controversial suggestion. I admit a Peter Jackson Star Wars trilogy would be different from the originals. But I am quite saddened that I'll never get to see what it would be like.
Please forgive me for sounding naive when I ask this:
If there are laserdisc versions that are superior to GOUT (when using top-notch equipment), then why doesn't (for example) Team Blu use them instead of the GOUT as the source for their preservation project?
I thought the idea behind their project was that the GOUT, even for all its flaws, is the best version of the unaltered trilogy that has thus far been officially released, but some comments made in this discussion are making me think otherwise
The fact that Lucas decided at the last minute to kill off Obi-Wan Kenobi when he was making Star Wars gives you a window into the way he writes.
Kenobi was supposed to be the one who trains Luke to be a Jedi in the Star Wars sequels. But all Lucas cares about is the movie he's currently making. In every interview he's ever given on the subject, Lucas consistently gives the same two reasons for the decision to kill Obi Wan off in Star Wars:
1. Obi Wan doesn't have anything terribly significant to do except stand around for the last 20-30 minutes of the first movie
2. Killing him is more dramatic or interesting than him just standing around
So even though Obi Wan served a very necessary function in the Star Wars sequels, Lucas killed him off just to make things more interesting in the movie he was currently making at the time. Now we get to have Kenobi speak to Luke as a disembodied spirit during the final battle, instead of standing around nervously with everyone else down on the rebel base. Of course that created an issue he would now need to solve when it came time to write the sequel, but he figured that's a problem for later, and he'd just cross that bridge when he came to it.
Mind you, this is the story behind how Yoda came into existence, to solve the dilemma Lucas made for himself by killing off Kenobi. And of course everyone loves Yoda. So I'm not necessarily complaining. But this is an illustration of the subject of this thread, which is that Lucas has a very "make it up as I go" style of writing. There have been good results (Yoda). But the results aren't always good (Padme dies in childbirth??? No thanks).
There is a part in ROTS, right after Padme lands her ship on Mustafar, when the movie stops for a few seconds to hang on a shot of her resting her head on her hand, gazing out the window lost in contemplation of what she's about to face, and starting to cry, while a somber rendition of Anakin and Padme's love theme plays in the soundtrack. For a fleeting moment, I'm transported to a different dimension where the rest of the prequel trilogy around that scene disappears and is replaced with what it should have been.
The problem is that the prequels fall so short of their potential that, paradoxically, the good things about them just serve to make them even harder to stomach.
Frink thinks way too much about what other people think way too much about.
Do not ever watch the Blu Ray version of Return of the Jedi. Please for the love of all that is sacred.
I just started a new thread to focus on evidence in the movies that Lucas makes it up as he goes.... so we can move this "Darth" discussion over there
There are many other examples of Lucas making it up as he goes besides the four listed above, but they should be more than enough to get this discussion going. Eventually this thread can touch on them all.