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#1238387
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Return of the Jedi - your opinion?
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DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

I agree with SOME of what you say ShoppingMaul. Not really on Luke but I like your points about how RotJ treats the Dark side of the force. I hate the idea that losing your temper and being angry is what makes you permanently turn to the dark side. To me, the dark side is a immoral use of power that is tempting to someone who wishes to abuse such power. It actually seemed like a constant moral challenge. But just because you resist giving into anger, you’re safe from the dark side???

Where in ROTJ is it stated that losing your temper makes you permanently turn to the dark side? I’d argue it shows the opposite - as Vader turns back.

The only thing that would seem to qualify is when Ben mentions that Anakin “ceased to be,” but even then there’s nothing said that contradicts what you talk about, not one choice but many. What makes Luke’s resistance powerful is that “once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” There’ nothing in the film to indicate he’s safe from temptation forever, only that he faced this one challenge and came out like a true Jedi. There isn’t anything in the film that suggests there won’t be further challenges (except whatever implications you take from a fairy tale happy ending).

Gotta disagree with much of the rest of what ShoppingMaul said too. What makes Luke’s victory so powerful is that it technically wasn’t a traditional battle victory, but a victory enabled through reaching the heart and mind of Vader - which is much more the Jedi way. Luke was the last hope for the Jedi yes, but for the galaxy too, in the sense that the Jedi are the spirtual and ethical soul of the galaxy. Also, yes aggression is not the Jedi way, but fighting isn’t not necessarily the Jedi way (it depends on where you’re coming from).

I like this a lot. These are some good points.

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#1238384
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Return of the Jedi - your opinion?
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I agree with SOME of what you say ShoppingMaul. Not really on Luke but I like your points about how RotJ treats the Dark side of the force. I hate the idea that losing your temper and being angry is what makes you permanently turn to the dark side. To me, the dark side is a immoral use of power that is tempting to someone who wishes to abuse such power. It actually seemed like a constant moral challenge. But just because you resist giving into anger, you’re safe from the dark side???

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#1238267
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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MalàStrana said:

Yeah I get why this decision has been taken, and I’m fine with it. But in the meantime wasn’t it possible to just release an uncompressed mkv version with no time-consuming bluray structure ? Since I’m using a kodi system and that I don’t possess a bluray burner, I never burn bluray structures on discs anyway 😄

Same here. I completely get why you made the decision Ady but maybe just a high bitrate mkv would be a great release to hold onto until the 4 disc blu ray set.

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#1237683
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled
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RogueLeader, I had a similar issue with having an impact shot. What I pretty much did, and it works alright, is cutting from Finn unbuckling out of his skimmer to Kylo in his shuttle.

And I think the Rose death idea could be improved by just having her say “no” right before she gets shot and changing the color of the laser blasts. I like Finn’s reaction as well.

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#1237586
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Return of the Jedi - your opinion?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Recently came across an interview with Gary Kurtz. There’s a specific section from that interview that caught my eye, which I thought I’d share.

Gary Kurtz said:

The one story thread that got totally tossed out the window, which was really pretty important I think, was the one of Vader trying to convince Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor. That together they had enough power that they could do that, and it wasn’t him saying I want to take over the world and be the evil leader, it was that transition. It was Vader saying, “I’m looking again at what I’ve done and where my life has gone and who I’ve served and, very much in the Samurai tradition, and saying if I can join forces with my son, who is just as strong as I am, that maybe we can make some amends.”

Also found this:

Reconstructing Star Wars: Revenge of the Jedi

Not a perfect reconstruction — Fett’s expanded role, in particular, is iffy — but it hits many of the right thematic notes for me.

SW '77 is a pretty straightforward “black-vs-white” morality tale. Aside from Han, the heroes were perfectly virtuous, the villains umambiguously & unrepentantly evil. But with TESB, a potential game changer was introduced to the mythos with the revelation that Vader was Luke’s father. No longer was he just the ex-student who turned out the bad egg; he was the “good friend” Obi-Wan had waxed wistful for. And while an argument can be made that Vader’s interest in his son began and ended with Luke’s usefulness as a pawn, I got the sense by movie’s end that Vader felt a strong yearning to be a father to his newfound child. So where once was only clear-cut black & white now existed an element of gray. The ideal ROTJ would’ve taken that gray element and expanded upon it, cemented it as an intrinsic attribute of the SW Universe. I find that ideal ROTJ in the links above.

This was an awesome post Duracell. You put my thoughts on ROTJ into words there. It just had so many missed opportunities. And the crazy thing to me is that most people say “Yeah, ewoks suck and Han was written poorly, but the Luke/Vader stuff is golden”. But it really isn’t. There are some really great isolated scenes (Luke rages on Vader, Vader saves Luke) but the writing is really over simplistic and hokey. Luke just blatantly says “There is good in you. Come to the light.” Vader then just says “Noooo, the dark side I must stick to.” It has no complexity. And as much as I love Ian McDiarmid eating up the scenery, I wanted something more like what we saw in the theatrical hologram scene in ESB, someone with a far more understated and subdued presence.

And shopping Maul made a great point about how people forget that the problems with Star Wars didn’t start with the sequel trilogy or even the prequel trilogy. They started all the way back in 1983. We are lucky to have two perfect movies from the whole saga. So when folks ask if I am a big Star Wars fan, I don’t even say “Nah, just an OT fan”, it’s something more like “I think the first two films are classics”.

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#1237028
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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As always, RLM lingered on a few points for too long but overall a really great review. Brought up a lot of good points. I particularly liked the point about how there is a big difference between our characters encountering a series of obstacles as opposed to just making a series of stupid mistakes.

And for people who say “RLM hate everything Star wars related and are overly cynical”, yes, they are cynical, but they sure as hell make an effort to sympathize with filmmakers and see where they are coming from. They even have a segment in the review where they give appreciation to Rian Johnson and where he was coming from. They like that he wanted to take some chances, but they feel like he went about it the wrong way. RLM for the most part has liked two of the four Disney Star Wars movies so its not like they blindly hate everything that is Star Wars.

At the end of the day, I think I have settled on my opinion for TLJ. Some of it is really good. Some of it really frustrates me. At the end of the day, it’s alright to me. A fine movie with some missed opportunities.

P.S. Long live RLM

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#1231514
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled
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I wanted to pop in and mention the Finn crash scene and how I’m handling it.

In my version, Rose and Poe warn Finn to get away from the laser, but he continues with it. We get a last shot of Rose looking back at Finn in terror, presumably feeling like Finn is doomed and that she can’t do anything.

Finn gets shot away, Poe slides back, then we see Finn climb out.

Later on we see Finn drag an injured Soilder into the base. I cut this shot short before it zooms up too close onto Rose. Now it is assumed that he is carrying simply an injured Soilder.

I do understand Rose’s absence since this would require cutting her on the stretcher in the Falcon as well but right now that is how I am approaching it.

I do like everyone’s ideas about showing Rose getting shot down though. And depending on episode 9, you could just have Rose die, makes Finn more motivated to do suicide run, and then cut her on the Falcon. This is assuming Rose is relatively unimportant in Ep 9 and can be cut. Just a crazy idea to throw out there.

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#1231512
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The Starlight Project Part 2: The Last Jedi
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I really love that restructure idea Neverar, specifically Finn already knowing about the tracking. I do wish there is a way though to retain Leia’s scenes before she is unconscious.

Because IMO it might be a little too much change between movies as well as the added difficulty of doing a flashback.

Really great ideas though, I like the way you think.

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#1229299
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Jay said:

darthrush said:

NeverarGreat is bringing up some great points. I think the very fact that so many people (at least that I have talked to) thought that Rose crashing into Finn made no sense proves this. Because they felt (as well as I) that the movie set them up for Finn making a successful sacrifice.

That’s just how they interpreted the scene, as well as how I did. Doesn’t make it more right than an alternate interpretation, but that is kind of how movies work. They are meant to provoke different opinions from people and readings of the same material.

The Last Jedi in my opinion, for that scene, presented it in a manner that set us up to be angry and puzzled with Rose’s decision. Just my reading of the scene.

I think most disagreements over TLJ originate from people presenting their interpretations of certain scenes as the only valid—and therefore obvious—interpretations, with any interpretations running counter to theirs being completely wrongheaded.

Exactly.

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#1229288
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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NeverarGreat is bringing up some great points. I think the very fact that so many people (at least that I have talked to) thought that Rose crashing into Finn made no sense proves this. Because they felt (as well as I) that the movie set them up for Finn making a successful sacrifice.

That’s just how they interpreted the scene, as well as how I did. Doesn’t make it more right than an alternate interpretation, but that is kind of how movies work. They are meant to provoke different opinions from people and readings of the same material.

The Last Jedi in my opinion, for that scene, presented it in a manner that set us up to be angry and puzzled with Rose’s decision. Just my reading of the scene.