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#62123
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The 1997 SE's - My take
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62123/action/topic#62123
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My problem with the Jabba scene is not whether it was down to technology limits, whether it was originally intended or not etc., but simply that the info given to the audience in that scene was already given out (almost line for line) in a previous scene. Also, it makes the revealing of the Falcon moments later seem kind of pointless. I wouldn't care if Jabba looked crap or great in the scene, I don't care if Han steps on his tail or not, I dislike the scene because it is dead weight.
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#61293
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If the classics were released...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61293/action/topic#61293
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Tiny differences to the soundtrack / opening crawl are irrelevant, to me and most others the original Star Wars is any version where Greedo doesn't shoot first and Jabba the Hutt doesn't appear until Return of the Jedi. If the only changes Lucas had made to the SE's had been tiny alterations and minor fixes, then this site wouldn't have a reason to exist.
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#61197
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The 1997 SE's - My take
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I'm too familiar with the musical cues of the OT. I can name and describe a scene just from hearing the music. The little additions and subtractions of seconds here and there throws me off. I'm expecting to hear the music do something, and it doesn't happen, and while my brain is going "what the fu..?" in comes the cue my ear had been expecting several seconds before. Drives me nuts. And damn them for chopping up the music from the bespin escape sequence with that useless new Darth Vader scene with his shuttle. Sure it looks pretty, but it's an absolutely useless change!


I hear you. I can't stand the "hacked and tracked" changes either (such as the climactic ESB ones - talk about jarring). What I was referring to though were 3 very short moments where Williams' original score was actually restored to the film, when previously Kerschner had either cut it or replaced it with other tracked music. Two of these occur around the middle of the film, when we see shots of the Imperial Fleet, and the other when Slave 1 is taking off from cloud city. I think these particular changes are beneficial.
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#60885
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Bringing back Futurama
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60885/action/topic#60885
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Oh what would I give for more Futurama...

Brannigan: I suffer from a very sexy learning disability. Kif, what do I call it?
Kif: *Sigh* Sexlexia...

Clerk: Okay, our policy is if for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you.

Checkov: When we woke up, we had these bodies
Fry: Say it in Russian!
Checkov Ven ve voke up ve had vese... wodies
Fry: Now say "Nuclear wessels"!
Checkov: No!

Brannigan: That young man fills me with hope, and some other feelings that are weird and deeply confusing...

Spock: When I directed Star Trek 4, I got a great performace out of Bill because I respected him so much
Kirk: And when I directed Star Trek 5, I got a great performace out of me because I respected me so much

Professor: Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case for the love of God, don't not do it!
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#60881
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a Star Trek thread...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60881/action/topic#60881
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I've been a huge fan of Star Wars and Star Trek for about the smae amount of time - as long as I can remember. I feel that recently it has tailed off a little and could do with a break. The last two films weren't exactly the best, and while I don't hate Enterprise, it isn't exactly compulsive viewing.

DS9 is by far my favourite TV series of all time. My favourite eps:

Duet
Defiant
The Visitor
Hard Time
A Call to Arms
Rocks and Shoals
In the Pale Moonlight

I'm a big fan of the originals and TNG as well, though Voyager never really did much for me. The Year of Hell 2 parter was great, but apart from that I thought it was a really misjudged attempt at a series.
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#60876
Topic
The 1997 SE's - My take
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60876/action/topic#60876
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Hey all,

Since I'm new around here I thought I'd sum up my feelings on the changes to the films at the outset. Now, I don't mind the idea of changing the films, as long as the originals are always available as well. As many have said, they're Lucas's films and he can do what he wants to them, he is free to have Ahmed Best redo Vader's voice and paint the Emperor in clown make-up for all I care, just as long as the originals are preserved too. So, without further ado, here is my change-by-change breakdown:

Star Wars

1. Dewbacks on Tatooine

I don’t see the point in this. The CGI creature is just an attention-grabber, and pulls you out of the film.

2. Entering Mos Eisley

Whilst I can understand Lucas’s motivation for changing this scene, I don’t think it was pulled off too well. Too much comedy, and again, too many attention-grabbing additions. Also, am I the only one who thinks that the landspeeder actually looked more realistic before the “vaseline force field” was removed from underneath it? The CG’d version just doesn’t look right… I don’t like the hacked and tracked music either.

3. Greedo shoots first

Why, oh why…
If Lucas had always intended to have Greedo shoot first, what was stopping him from shooting it that way in the first place?

4. Jabba the Hutt

I just don’t see the point in this scene at all. Considering that all the info it gives you was previously shared in the Greedo scene, it is utterly redundant. More hacked and tracked music as well, big no-no for me.

5. Escaping from Mos Eisley

I don’t think I would mind changes like this, if it weren’t for the fact that it makes a lot of the other shots look inconsistent.

6. Alderaan

I’m still trying to figure out why Lucas wants Star Wars to look like Star Trek… It’s a pointless change.

7. Stormtrooper multiplication

The scene looks unnatural now, when it was fine the way it was before. If it ain’t broke…

8. Falcon approaches the rebel base

See No. 4

9. Biggs

I don’t mind this one.

10. Battle of Yavin

See No. 4

11. Death Star explosion

See No. 6


The Empire Strikes Back

1. Wampa cave

Hmmm… Let’s see if we can find a way to totally remove all suspense from a scene! Great idea George! This is one of my most despised changes.

2. Removal of matte lines during Hoth battle

I have no problem at all with this one. Changes under the heading of “small fixes” I have no problem with at all.

3. Various small musical changes

I counted three places where Williams’s music was restored to the way it was originally intended – You won’t get any argument from me on those. Good calls.

4. Slave 1 pursues the Falcon

See Star Wars No. 4

5. Arrival at Cloud City

Fairly nice change, but again, inconsistent with other effects shots.

6. Manic cloud-car shot.

There was no reason to follow a cloud-car on it’s journey, other than to show off what could be done effects-wise. Yet another attention-grabber that pulls me out of the film.

7. Cloud city interiors changed

One of the few changes I actually like.

8. Luke’s scream

It worked before the change. But if you are absolutely going to change it, why oh why make it so that Luke borrows the Emperor’s voice? This was so half-assed it’s hard to believe.

9. Vader returns to the Star Destroyer

Jarring musical edits, bad pace, removal of the great “Bring my shuttle!” line, reused footage from Jedi, why oh why???


Return of the Jedi

1. Jedi Rocks

As much as the original scene sucked, at least it was mercifully brief and didn’t try to bring attention to itself. This is just plain terrible. The music is wrong, once again the CG additions are nothing more than attention-grabbers, I detest this scene. Oola falling into the Rancor pit is fairly well executed, but again I have to ask, if Lucas is trying to make the films closer to what he originally intended, why didn’t he just shoot it this way in ’83?

2. The Rancor

I realise that there wasn’t a change here. I just had to point out how silly it seems to change so many things, and yet leave the worst effects shots from the trilogy intact. If you are going to mess around with the classics, the least you can do is turn out something less half-assed than the SE’s.

3. Bantha herd

Meh. No opinion one way or the other.

4. Beak on the Sarlaac

It looks like a sock puppet!

5. Death Star explosion.

I don’t mind the shockwave effect here. It actually looks quite cool with the Falcon escaping in the foreground.

6. The new ending

I was never in love with the ending of Jedi, so I really don’t mind this change too much. While the music still isn’t that great, it’s better than the Ewok “Yub-yub” chorus.

That's just my twopence worth anyways. I'm sure I probably forgot some, but you get the idea.

Great forums btw!