Maybe a shot of the Borg Cube firing? Or something like this with some laser fire added to the shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF4WSeNFgCo
Jedi is going OK - I'm currently converting the latest version to an MKV. Hopefully I'll be uploading it by the weekend.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Can anybody suggest a shot from something I can use for the Falcon going into Hyperdrive? As in, blasting off into the distance with a loud bang. Was trying to find footage from ST:TOS but having no luck.
HELP!!!
btw Found this on my YouTube favourites from way back. Pretty much the greatest thing on YouTube:
You could try and create it yourself if you can't find anything. For example this green screen of the Falcon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwaUtTMhejE
Combined with this hyperspace shot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdqUB-qPNVI
It probably wouldn't look amazing but it might be good enough.
Ryan McAvoy said:
daneditor said:
I like it. As you say though the Vader dialogue is pretty familiar. I wonder if you might be able to get a fresh line or two from the Star Wars Interactive Board Game. I think the torrent in on MySpleen.
Thanks. Is that one of those old VHS play along board games? Had the Klingon Star Trek one, it was a blast.
Can't find SW game on MySpleen :-(
Yeah unfortunately I was confusing it with Bounty Hunter: Beyond The Game. I got the interactive board game from Darth Ender. Your best bet is contacting him.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Just a short test this time, of the Vader/Bast conversation. Click image to play:
This is my attempt to 'create' some dialogue for Vader to say during this deleted conversation with Bast. The original raw footage had David Prowse delivering some muffled and almost in-audible lines on set. As James Earl Jones is the voice of Vader in the other 99% of my cut, I needed him in this scene to. I've also overlayed some classic John Williams music.
See if you can spot where the dialogue came from (It's not too hard lol).
I'm still to make the absolute final decision where this will sit in the cut. But I'll probably be putting this diectly after the scene with Tarkin deciding to fly off to Alderaan. So these two scenes will link together and flow naturally into the next stormtrooper search of mos esiley scene. This raises the possibility of introducing a 'Scene missing - shows death star going to hyperspace' intertitle. Unless anybody can suggest any "Giant round thing going to warp" footage from another pre '77 sci-fi flick/TV show????
I like it. As you say though the Vader dialogue is pretty familiar. I wonder if you might be able to get a fresh line or two from the Star Wars Interactive Board Game. I think the torrent in on MySpleen.
Ryan McAvoy said:
I'm up to about 50 mins now. Begining to cut in the alternate cantina scene.
Anybody have a link to 7ish minutes of music that would fit in there?
Also I'm leaning towards keeping all the british accents in the cantina rough cut. Love the camp Greedo voice. What do you guys think?
I'd definitely keep the British accents. If you could replace Chewie's growls with Peter Mayhew's dialogue it would also be awesome. On Star Wars Begins when they get to the Death Star his "That old man's mad" is hilarious.
(I appreciate it's almost certainly impossible to achieve.)
Ryan McAvoy said:
*Would love to see SW done as a silent movie. Another great idea for a fan edit. Sped up to silent speed, 4:3 ratio, intertitles, cut down to an hour. Wonder if there is a SW score on piano album?
It's been done by TMBTM:
regularjoe said:
I watched the whole work print last night and liked it a lot. This is my first ROTJ fanedit and I found it amazing how fast the show moves along when all the silly stuff is trimmed out.
Good to hear you enjoyed it.
goodmeme said:
Hi guys
Not sure where to post really. Need some help please! I recently watched revisted and love it apart from the music in various places like the conference in the death star and also figure my son - when he's old enough to watch - would probably be more excited if C3PO mentions a princess early on in the movie - i.e. not just "there'll be no escape this time', hence my desire for the Adywan revisited purist version.
All I'm going to say is that I'm having trouble finding the purist version. Can someone give me a clue please? The .info site I was looking at has the revisited but not the purist... :)
Thanks.
The Purist edition is on MySpleen. If you need an invite PM me.
regularjoe said:
I hopscotched around the workprint last night, mostly trying to hunt out the large changes.
I think it is really impressive and enjoyed what I saw a lot and would certainly like to see where you take this.
I was quite impressed with how you addressed the Endor battle (ground theater). I always imagined the cut scene on the Death Star focused on the space battle and I like how it was tied in with the fanfilm work of stormtroopers vs. rebels. I've heard other people opine about having Boba Fett vs Han worked in here and how you did this was quite engaging. I realize that based on your source material you're probably stuck there with the burned in captions (and Boba Fett using the word "closure" doesn't work) and the actor in the Fett costume...that costume doesn't fit, again, beyond your control.
My only true concern here is the scenes with Boba Fett on Endor. They work pretty well but all the really tight shots on Fett's helmet doesn't work for me at all. Again, I know that you are shackled by the material that you're working with. If you're trying to make something that could be seamlessly watched with the other five films these shots stand out because none of the movies have facial shots cropped this tight.
I hope that you don't mind my comments. I am really impressed with your work so far and look forward to watching the workprint from start to finish sometime this weekend.
I don't mind your comments at all. I'm grateful for them.
I totally agree about the Fett subplot. There just isn't enough footage to really make it work.
I like the idea of the shootout between Han and Fett at the bunker, but it either needs someone with amazing compositing skills to add Fett to existing ROTJ shots or new footage to be shot. Taking stuff from fan films in this case hasn't done the job. What's annoying is that one fan film had plenty of footage of a forest battle involving Fett, but there's snow on the ground throughout. I've used occasional quick shots from that film, but without the snow I could have almost certainly got enough footage to make it work.
The way I used the Jerjerrod deleted scene is pretty cool I think. Some will probably complain about the hand held footage being un-Star Wars, but again I can only work with what I have, and by showing it as viewscreen footage I think it overcomes that criticism.
bkev said:
daneditor said:
The use of the Star Tours footage to link Vader and Luke might end up being cut. But I do like the idea of linking the two characters. There are other moments in the edit where I try to show Vader getting into Luke's head, so that moment (poor CGI and all) is telling the audience that although they're worlds away Vader is always with Luke.
I dig the idea, but I think the execution is poor. Maybe jump cuts like in the final moments of ESB would work better... or were they really quick fades?
The original Star Tours footage is a rush through hyperspace, then arriving at Tatooine and flying over the desert until some pod racers (annoyingly) start zooming by. I had to obviously cut before the pod racers appeared, which is why the shot somewhat abruptly fades to Luke. I could try cutting to Luke I guess, but a fade felt like a more elegant way of doing it.
Ryan McAvoy said:
This new cut feels good in terms of pacing and logic but that lightsaber constrution footage is very rough. Needs changing for something else used cause it doesn't fit with the impressive quality of the rest of the sourced material you've sourced.
I don't mind the yoda scene being split into two in principle but two things that would help is if:
1. You cut at some point before or during Yoda walking from right to left
2. Then cut back with yoda in the bed. This will help make the two parts distinctive in terms of composition.
3. subtely recoloured the 2nd half in perhaps more muted/grey/blue hue. This would give it a sombre feel and again seperate it visual, which would help to seperate it in time also.
The footage in the clip I uploaded to vimeo is from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0uqWOxsSx4
It's a test only, to give some idea how it will look, and to see if the pacing works.
I'll be recreating the scene myself, as well as cleaning up the deleted scene in Avisynth.
Ben Danger has kindly let me use his idea, so here's an uber-rough version of the new opening:
https://vimeo.com/65283353 (password: wordpass)
(excuse the jerkiness, not quite sure how that happened)
The three changes: new crawl with proper alignment, new lightsaber scene, Yoda death scene no longer broken up into two.
Now I need to figure out how to do the special effects for that first scene...
regularjoe said:
I'm in agreement with the rest of the people who don't like the Yoda scene split. It just seems like a speed bump to me. I really like everything else that I saw. I wish that I could offer some advice on how to work around that, maybe I'll have an idea after watching your workprint. I don't think it hurts to leave it intact - I do like that you cut the scene with Ben entirely. I was disappointed first seeing this in the theaters because Yoda's dialogue is mostly recycled, then Ben shows up and doesn't really say much of anything new or different outside of Leia is your sister....and there is nothing wrong with leaving that to be a force revelation during the final saber battle.
The Ben scene is one of my least favourite scenes in the movie. Even if Sir Alec didn't look bored out of his skull, it would still just be five minutes of exposition while sitting on a tree trunk.
If I could work out a way of Luke figuring out that "another Skywalker" was Leia I'd put that subplot back into the movie. I don't particularly care for it, it's one coincidence too many, but Luke attacking Vader at the end of their fight hinges on it, and without it (and anyone who's seen my edit will testify to this) that beat just doesn't work.
If anyone can think up ways Luke can come to the realization without Obi Wan's assistance I'd really like to hear them.
bkev said:
I flipped through this video to check out what was new effects-wise. Admittedly, a few things are rough - and that's to be expected when you're pulling from fan films etc. Plus, you're really early in the editing stages. If there were any way to improve the CG matte shots on Coruscant I think it would be a lot less anachronistic in relation to the rest of the film; I would love to see it work properly, but right now it stands out too much to me.
I really liked what you did with the Jabba introduction. It's too the point and by flipping the sequencing of the 3PO and Leia scenes you've managed to make him intimidating right off the bat - and no musical number is definitely a plus. I wasn't a big fan of the pan-down to Tatooine when Vader tried to reach out to Luke with the force, though - again, anachronistic. And I don't mean necessarily in terms of the effect itself, I mean the editing. It feels, for lack of a better term, too modern. It would have stood out like crazy in 1983.
Also a big fan of how you cut down the 3PO/R2 intro to Jabba's Palace via the deleted scene. THAT cut felt really natural to me.
tl;dr a little rough as expected at this stage but looking forward to what comes of this.
Re: Coruscant. That sequence is the best quality video I've been able to find of a shuttle flying through the city. I've spent hours looking. I think the quality is decent, but unfortunately YouTube butchers videos with its aggressive compression.
The use of the Star Tours footage to link Vader and Luke might end up being cut. But I do like the idea of linking the two characters. There are other moments in the edit where I try to show Vader getting into Luke's head, so that moment (poor CGI and all) is telling the audience that although they're worlds away Vader is always with Luke.
Ryan McAvoy said:
A still image is one thing. god knows how to do this as a video lol
Awesome! - and believe me, if I was able to recreate this as a video, and other shots of this kind, this radical edit would be way, way more radical than it is.
SilverKey said:
Nice work, daneditor!
I agree with DarthStewie though that breaking up the Yoda scene didn't really work all that well. I think the scenes are so radically different that juxtaposing them is rather jarring.
Here's an idea: if you'd like to keep the two scenes together, move them to a later part in the movie. The Emperor sends Vader to Endor, while Yoda sends Luke to face Vader. This mirrors both scenes, which might make it flow better in a montage. It will give the pace of the movie a push: the Force is setting the stage, and tension will rise. To create a strong montage, use voice-overs, hard cuts, instead of wipes, and music to bring it all together.
Another idea: I really liked the transition you made from Vader to Luke as Vader is reaching out through the Force. I think this would be a very cool introduction to Luke in the movie, and might also keep some ambiguity to his character: he's dressed in black and communicating with Vader; has he turned to the Dark Side? He even looks and behaves like a Sith when he enters Jabba's palace. It won't be until he ignites his green saber on the barge that viewers realizes he is still good old Luke. Setting things up like this could highlight Luke's struggle with the Dark Side, and adds more tension to his duel with Vader.
Thanks for the feedback.
Everyone I've shown this to has thought the same as you: that breaking up the Yoda scene doesn't work at all. I personally like it, but I guess it needs to be changed.
I agree that Luke in the cave on Tatooine is a good introduction to the character, but I want to keep the Dagobah scenes at the start. I think I have another good way to introduce Luke -
Something I've been thinking about this morning, inspired by Ryan's video yesterday, was taking Ben Danger's great idea of showing Luke using the force to construct his lightsaber as the opening scene, then Vader on Coruscant, then back to Yoda's hut for his death scene. I think that could be really effective. Obviously I'd ask Ben for his permission first, and then somehow would need to figure out how to do all the special effects shots.
Ronster said:
daneditor said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
Re: the "I've got a promise to keep to an old friend". Credit goes to Darth Ender for that. I just stole his great idea. :)
It was my idea I think and used the line "we're not going to regroup with the others" and cut "not" out intertwined with R2 beeps so it said "we're going to regroup with the others" and then "I have a promise to keep...."
But It does not matter to me Darth Ender did a good job of fleshing out ideas to be sure
My apologies. I didn't realize.
Either way it's a great idea.
Darth Stewie said:
I liked most of it BUT (there's always a BUT) I'd have to say from a pacing and storytelling standpoint, splitting the Yoda scene up like that isn't very appealing. I watched it a couple of times as if it were the real sequel and it just doesn't work. It seems more like an excuse to show off some other clips rather than enhance the story. I'd go into more detail but I would run the risk of sounding rather rude and that's not my intent at all. I just wanted to throw that out since this edit seems to have promise. Just watch out for superfluous additions ala Uncle George.
There's always a risk of adding stuff just to add it, but this is only a workprint and at this stage I'm just trying things out. Some things may work, some inevitably won't.
Re: Vader on Coruscant breaking up the Yoda scene. There are two reasons for it. Firstly, I think putting the whole Yoda scene right at the start of the film doesn't work too well. It's too slow paced for an opening scene in a movie like this. After Tatooine it works better because the audience can catch their breath after all the action. But a five minute scene in Yoda's hut to start the movie is a problem, IMO.
Secondly, I wanted to find ways to focus the conflict on Luke and Vader throughout the movie, and you should always set up the movie's conflict if possible in the first scene. So when the conversation with Yoda turns to Vader we cut away to see what Vader's up to on Coruscant, then cut back for Luke to ask about his parentage.
At least that's the idea. Whether it works is something else altogether. :)
Found it:
timdiggerm said:
There was a pretty brilliant mockup once in which the ESB deleted footage was used to show Luke putting his ROTJ saber together on Dagobah in mid-air.
Cool! I don't suppose you can remember which thread it was in?
Ryan McAvoy said:
It would need some CGI work thats beyong my skill.
- Change lukes ESB clothes to Black ROTJ ones. Think that would be enough to sell it without aging him down.
- Maybe change that unexplained metal bar to the familiar floating rock we see in ESB.
It would be beyond my CGI skill as well. On account of me having no CGI skill.
I wouldn't want to use the shot from ROTS to be honest. I don't think it matches up at all well with the sets used for Empire and Jedi. Plus it has CGI creatures scuttling around.
Here's why I really like your idea: with a little dialogue removed from the Yoda hut scene that follows it no longer seems like Luke just flew there this morning and found Yoda five minutes before his death. I get that it's a fairy tale movie, but that's always bugged me a little.
I like it. It reminds me of a scene in Wars of the Stars 2 (which you should watch if you haven't yet).
The problem in this context is that Luke would look three years older in the following scene.
The Nerd said:
Awesome stuff. But be sure to edit the opening crawl so the alignment is correct.
Yeah. Absolutely. I need to change the opening crawl to align it all up.
I used to lambast Lucas for his useless PT crawls, but I have a lot of sympathy for him now. You have to match up the exact number of characters on each line. It's a fricking nightmare.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Can I be the first to say WOW! This is totally stunning work. God only knows how much thought must have gone into the reordering and how much searching around for alternate footage you must have done nevermind the brilliant work putting it all together. I can't wait to see how you've rescued the sandstorm footage. A jigsaw like masterpiece where the joins between the pieces are almost invisible.
I read a comment somewhere that the opening pan down onto endor looked a bit odd without a ship passing by. You've got me thinking how this could be solved.
My favourite bit is how you've switched up the meaning of the line "I've got a promise to keep to an old friend" by moving it to a different place in the narrative.
More! More!
Ryan
Thanks!
The sandstorm scene is still pretty rough. I cleaned up the image somewhat with Avisynth, and then rebuilt the audio from scratch. I used some of the dialogue from the scene that ended up replacing it, with some Chewie roars and a 3P0 line from the ROTJ radio play thrown in.
Re: the "I've got a promise to keep to an old friend". Credit goes to Darth Ender for that. I just stole his great idea. :)
