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I always thought Frinks contributions was also a chance to test out his material 

Let's go back to 2002 for a moment. E.T. is rereleased by Steven Spielberg with added effects and scenes to commemorate its 20th anniversary (sound familiar???). As with the SW SE's, it allowed past generations to see it in theatres again while allowing a new generation to see it on screen for the first time. And even more like the SW SE's it was met with criticism by old school fans. Replacing shot guns with walkie talkies was equivalent to Greedo shooting first and CGI E.T. was no more real than CGI Jabba (well maybe not THAT bad). However has anyone noticed something?? Over a decade later we don't bash Spielberg for the enhanced E.T., at least not to the level of Lucas bashing, while Lucas is still criticized for the SE's. Why?? I think I know part of the reason. When E.T. was first issued as a 2 disc DVD set as well as a deluxe DVD set, Spielberg was adamant with Universal that both cuts be included. And unlike what his good buddy Lucas would do in 2006, Spielberg actually included the original cut in restored quality, by 2002 standards at least, and in anamorphic widescreen. Not a cheap 4:3 Laserdisc rip. E.T. is now on BluRay and only includes the original cut. As a purist I'm ok with this but i wouldn't have objected if the 2002 version had been there too. However no one seems to complain about this either. So now you ask what's my point here?? I think the real argument we have established being half of this issue wouldn't exist if the originals had been restored to accompany the DVD/BluRay releases. For the sake of discussion I'm ignoring GOUT. I think true fans know what should be out there and whether a day will come where all fans are satisfied is questionable and probably always will be.

FrankT said:

So when it comes down to it, there is no solution to the problem.

 To put it bluntly yes. Even if OOT fans somehow get their wish of restored versions of the OOT someday, you'll still get angered SE fans who will rain on the parade much like how OOT rain on their parade now.

Wazzles said:

I'm definitely not trying to say the SE's are better or anything. I just meant that their existence doesn't bother me. It's fun to look at them once and a while. I'm just bothered that the OOT isn't available alongside them. And the SE's are by far worse than the OOT, but I like some aspects of them and can see how some may prefer them. 

 I agree and have said much of what you say here. The only part I'd debate here is that the SE's are 'worse' than the OOT. Well that sorta goes back to letting nostalgia affect our opinions. To people who grew up on OOT, then yeah the SE's are not good. To those who grew up on SE's, then the originals are probably worse. The reality is no one is every going to have a single mutual opinion on one version of these films and a lot of that has to do with how people are introduced to them. So if future generations are only gonna get the SE's then they'll probably prefer those. Are OOT fans like myself gonna be happy about this?? Of course not and also its misleading. Future or even current generations will watch the original trilogy under the impression its the original versions and represent the state of visual and technical effects of that period when the reality is its been tampered with to include updated effects from 20 years later and onward.

I feel I'll probably just be repeating myself here 'cause I've pretty much said all this or things to the effect before but here it goes. As most of you probably know I'm an OOT supporter. Does this mean I hate the SE's?? I dont like them but I dont hate them. I respect their existence and why Lucas did them. Thats all though. My problem as with many is that the OOT is no longer properly available. Not just because some like myself are accustomed to those versions but because they are iconic films that are pivotal to the eras they came out of. Same about the SE's. Regardless of what was good or bad about them, the SE's are products of their time. Now of course you got nit picky fans who pick one version of the film and solely want that version available but me I have no objection to both versions being available. At least Lucas' 'vision' is represented while old school fans get the version they want. But it isnt that way sadly. To those who like the SE's thats fine but me it will never be anything more than a 'what if???' version of SW. The originals are the real deal because even though they were in Lucas' mind 'unfinished' they were iconic and technically speaking were 'completed' with the technology that was achievable at the time.

FrankT said: But don't you see? Movies don't change with the times. They can't! You can't just put new stuff on top of a 20-year-old movie and hope people will just roll with it, that's not how it works! (Cleaning up matte lines is an exception, to a degree.)

 That and lightsaber fixes are really the only 'changes' I can name off hand that I wont object to although I think its a bit degrading to the period. Also when I say lightsaber fixes, I mean when they're done right like Vader and Obi-Wan's duel in ANH (aside from the brief moments where Obi's saber is purple), not Vaders pink saber in ESB or ROTJ.

Well I could go either way. I sometimes argue my case with preservation out of nostalgia but not always. I just think when it's done its done. Once it's released to the public it should become a product of the era it was produced in. Now granted if my introduction to Star Wars had been via the SE's rather than the OOT I may actually be a SE supporter. I've found I've generally grown fond of the versions of film, music, etc. that I was introduced to first. Nonetheless I agree from a purist perspective that the OOT should still be made available. As someone who grew up on the OOT, do I particularly like the SE's?? Personally no. Do I object to their existence?? Yes and no. Yes in the sense that it's made the OOT obsolete to the fan base who prefer Lucas' 'unfinished' versions. No in the sense of it allowed it's creator to 'finish' what he claims was unfinished. That said, if both versions were to be packaged together I would and I'm sure many others would not object to this. At least it will please both camps. I just don't buy this there has to be 'one'. Ridley Scott released a Blu Ray set with like 6 or 7 versions of Blade Runner. If there has to be one, then speaking as a purist it should be the original.

Hello, I'm interested in making DVD covers for the original trilogy based off the 1992 VHS editions. Those were my favorite of the VHS' with the poster arts. I've seen a few based off the 1990 and 1995 VHS' but not much for the '92s. However, I do need some assistance. I need clean copies of the collages used on the back covers. I also need a good copy of the ANH artwork. I've found some clean copies of that artwork but I need one with more image on the far right so I'm able to properly center the image on the front cover. For example, the copies I keep finding have the corner of Vader's helmet cut off. I need one without it cutoff. Someone also mentioned in a previous thread of the 'smaller' Lando on the VHS/Laserdisc's of ROTJ. All the logofree versions of that artwork I can find have 'bigger' Lando. Anyone willing to help out here??? Below is an image I found that someone did of the ESB cover.

Here's two takes on the ANH cover I did. I used doublex776 cover as a source.

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/90297af7e910425abdcc21c74f48e70d.jpg

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/b0c9f04aa2e241be833d8c000eba4082.jpg

After reading other reviews of this rumor on other sites, some have noted that it was not exactly specified what it's being restored for if at all. BluRay?? Theatrical?? Both?? Sources I've read is that AMC Theatres is showing all 6 films as a marathon on the eve of the release date for TFA. However, I think showing the original versions, as much as I prefer them over the SEs, in that light with the prequels and having the new film released the next day would be a little awkward don't you think?? Unless I was misreading something. Not to mention it may also have the tendency to overshadow the much awaited anticipation for TFA. One thing I think I'm sure we can agree on is if they are indeed being restored than a BluRay release should be inevitable. Unlikely they'd spend that much on a long awaited restoration just to throw them in theatres and never shown again. I don't even think George would stoop that low then again he told us to be happy with '06 DVDs.

We also have to keep in mind is if these rumors are true, then how long has Disney/Lucasfilm been planning this? Since the sale in 2012? Production stages of TFA? Also there's the point to releasing them now to capitalize on the growing anticipation for TFA but do we know if Disney/Lucasfilm has even begun the restoration yet? Was the rumor posted by comicbook.com last year indeed true and the restoration has been ongoing since or was that just a rumor that has become true a year later? Again I know there's a lot to speculate until an official response is given but perhaps a statement from a fellow filmmaker who does know Lucas is a good sign. Who knows?

TV's Frink said:

I hope it's true just so the thread title is wrong.

 Even if it's true, I highly doubt they're coming in 2015 especially if the steelbooks for the SEs were already released this year.

Possibly then again are we willing to believe that Lucas is letting them do this?? After all this time of protecting his 'vision' he's finally approving this?? Then again someone mentioned earlier if it isn't his money he doesn't care whatsoever what they do. Then again I read of someone who years ago actually sent an offer to Lucas to restore the originals himself for free and never got a response. However this was when Lucas was still in control of his own firm.

While I do too hope this rumor is true, after watching the clip it almost sounds more like he was being sarcastic or assuming. I could be wrong. If this is indeed happening, I certainly will be psyched and it will make me more anxious for TFA!!!!

wymjafett2112 said:

They need to quit releasing the special editions,  and just give us the originals

 Quit reselling the same SE from 2011 with the same features? Yes. Resell the SE that either is: packaged with the original, the 97SE, or a new edit and has new bonus features as well a old? No.

TV's Frink said: Lazy Lucas, was Lazy.

 And his SW 'vision' is quite hazy

towne32 said:

Well. Time to abandon this thread again.

 Right with ya. Ghost Hayden is pointless IMO.

Much like when George said he has no intention of making more SW film's but doesn't mind handing it over to someone else, perhaps he feels the same about the OOT.

We sense something. A presence not felt since.....

One example of color correction I think the '04/'11 version has over the '97 version is the Mos Eisley sequence. At least the '04/'11 doesn't have the pink tint. And yeah I agree about the sabers in ESB. Aside from Vaders horrid pink saber, at one point in the final battle Luke's sabers a bit washed yet is perfectly blue in the original.

Yeah I could definitely agree to the idea of hesitation out of loyalty to Lucas. Without him Disney wouldn't be banking in on this franchise to begin with would they?? Same with Fox if they are afraid to release the originals. You have to wonder though. Is it part of a bigger plan?? I think it's fair to say that both camps realize that releasing the original versions would be the best move if they wish to cash in more on the original movies. However, could it be part of something that they think will pay off more?? The fact they're releasing the same damn Blurays again within 5 years since its initial release shows they're willing to cash in on anything. So they probably know they want something that EVERYONE will buy including those who already own the current BluRays. So simply releasing the original versions wouldn't be enough. What else do we get?? '97 SE? '11 SE? A new SE??? And of course there's still the matter of Fox and Disney reaching a deal over video releases. Just an interesting theory.

Lucasfilm, don't make your fans angry! You wouldn't like us when we're angry!

Gonna have to agree as well. It's been a year since the rumor leaked on comicbook.com and we haven't had any updates since. So yeah I'm pretty convinced now it was a rumor being spread around to raise attention. Like many of you I really won't raise any hope until a response is given by someone affiliated with Lucasfilm which seems slim to none at this point.

I was actually gonna point out how we had a release in 2011, 2013, and now. So yeah I guess we could pencil in 2017 for the next release.