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#382144
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Info Wanted: Should ADYWAN re-edit the prequels?
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I mean, I realize he’s editing the OT for them to be both closer to their original showcase, and to fit with the prequel trilogy, but I was wondering if he could edit the prequels at some point in the future. Especially AOTC, which I think could be edited to have a better pace as a story, and also improved in its love story with the insertion of several deleted scenes (like the one with Padme’s parents and all).

What do you think?

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#376923
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The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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If there was one thing, ONE thing I'd have added in ADYWAN's A NEW HOPE, its the Luke-Briggs scene, place it before he complains how all of his friends are leaving the planet for the rebellion.

I always thought we never got attached to Briggs enough to either feel sorry for his loss when he dies, or to understand why Luke is so frustrated.

Anyway, just my two cents...

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#352811
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HIGHLANDER: THE SORCERER - THE UNOFFICIAL RENEGADE VERSION of Highlander 3 (Released)
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Hello everyone. My name’s Alexander, and I would like to talk to you about my first, finished/completed, fan-edit that I did.

When my friend, THE ONLY ONE THERE CAN BE, told me to re-edit this film, I told him “why would we need to?”, he said “because its bad, and its nonsensical”. Four months later, I see what he meant.

The HIGHLANDER franchise was born after the original film’s release in 1986. Since then, it spawned countless spin-offs, tv shows and novels. Its a good, but somewhat underrated film (not saying its a masterpiece, and I am a fan).

In 1992, following the critical failure and burnout of HIGHLANDER II: THE QUICKENING, the producers of the Highlander franchise had decided to do a  TV show that explored Connor MacLeod’s journey as he fought more Immortals in the present day. But because Christopher Lambert, the actor who played the original Highlander, refused to return to commit to a show, the producers considered different actors for the part, until they decided on Adrian Paul. But because Lambert was willing to do a third film playing the same character, the decision was made to create a new lead character entirely - and thus, Duncan MacLeod was born.

With the birth of the show, the question was brought up: What to do with the original film? It ended the story with the Gathering taking place and the Prize being won by Connor. The decision was made, to simply ignore the finality of the first film (ie., Connor and Kurgan were not the last Immortals, Connor didn’t win the Prize, etc.) and pretend the first film’s present day scenes was just Kurgan’s final attempt at killing MacLeod, and whoever else escaped him over the years. In effect, the first film was retconned, and the second film was now non-canonical. This created the fan-term, Series universe, where the events that include Duncan MacLeod directly (the Series, the novels, the fourth and fifth film) and indirectly (The Raven spin-off show, starring Duncan MacLeod’s on-and-off Immortal girlfriend, Amanda) take place, as well as the original film in the above mentioned retconned fashion.

The third film was initially released in 1994, during the third season of the show. For whatever reason, the producers decided, for the third film, that it wouldn’t set MacLeod’s new adventure in the Series universe, but instead, it’d be a direct sequel to the first film alone. This conflicted with the second film as well, that definitively showed Brenda being the last woman that Connor MacLeod has had any involvement with.

The story was, Connor didn’t win the Prize after the first film, because three Immortals were trapped in the cave for centuries. At the end of the film, Connor wins the Prize by defeating the bad guy, Kane, and resumes his mortal life.

For years, the canonicity of the project was in question, and presuming no official word has been spoken about it for YEARS, its safe to assume that HL3 could, in no way, be seen as taking place in the Series universe.

This re-edit goes out to change that.

Firstly, by deleting any and all references to the Gathering ever taking place in 1985 (the first film’s time), and secondly, by placing the entire story in the said Series universe (in which, many, MANY more Immortals were still around and fighting out for the Gathering and the Prize).

However, the film also goes to almost completely recontextualize the whole film. The original film was filled with plot holes, errors and incredibly ridiculous story decisions that undermined a generaly good flick. The Unofficial Renegade Version really sets out to bring back some dignity to the third HL film. Additionally, songs from Queen (including the much-loved fan-favorite “Princes of the Universe”) have been included in various places in the film, as well as a new music video montage, using the “God Took A Picture” song found in one of the many versions of Highlander III.

The first goal of this re-edit was to bring purpose to the film’s existance by placing it in the larger canvas of the expanded universe created by the TV show. The second goal was to make a more pleasing, less-shitty and much less silly version of a Highlander film that has always been like a black sheep in that franchise.

I hope we (The Only One There Can Be and myself) have created a superior version of this sequel, that can be watched pleasently.

[color=#FF0000]NOTE: This space will be edited later on, to include info on how to receive the said re-edit. I haven’t gotten used to how to do this (uploading a DVD, making it available through fanedit.org, etc.), as this if my first re-edit, EVER. I’m sure a lot of you are experienced and all, but I’m only asking a bit patience so that I can find a way to make this avaialble to you all. [/color]

Thank you for your patience.

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#261612
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Ideas: James Bond re-edit suggestions...
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Originally posted by: Batman Beyond
Originally posted by: auximenies
Originally posted by: coconuts86
I just had a fantastic idea - why not re-edit OHMSS as a prequel to the Dalton-Brosnan entries?
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The reason of even thinking about this is because of the obvious fact that Bond's wife is been referenced in LTK and TWINE. And slightly in TND.


The wife is also referenced in The Spy Who Loved Me when Agent XXX meets Bond at a bar. So moving OHMSS to a post-Moore position doesn't work.


I don't think coconuts suggests moving it from where it was. He suggests re-editing it as another version of the film, suited for the Dalton/Brosnan continuity.

So the original OHMSS could exist as is in the Connery-Moore continuity, whereas the re-edited OHMSS that coconuts suggested, it would serve as the first film of the Dalton/Brosnan continuity.

I like the idea too, because it gives the Dalton/Brosnan Bond to have some sort of history. TWINE and LTK are especially based on that film's character basis, so such re-edit could serve a purpose.

Batman Beyond just nailed. Thats exactly what I had in mind for OHMSS. I love the film already, so the re-edit that I suggested is merely a modification for the Dalton/Brosnan Bond, who obviously had a wife that died unexpetedly. Plus, the Kiss Kiss Bang Bang song would be interesting to use, as it sets up Bond's character. And because it was a Bond song that was never used. And because the OHMSS theme should not be included in this version, as I think it would be better if the original retained the OHMSS theme (and variable score), while OHMSS presented this alternative for the very reason of being unique.

So, as Batman Beyond explained, it could be the Connery-Lazenby-Moore continuity, and the Lazenby-Dalton-Brosnan continuity, with two versions of OHMSS in use - one for Connery-Moore (the original version), and one for Dalton-Brosnan (the re-edit I suggest).

But do you all think of it, now?
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#260994
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Ideas: James Bond re-edit suggestions...
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Originally posted by: Batman Beyond

But still, there must be SOME way of rectifying it... I'm positive of that.

Anyone else who has seen the film that can tell?

And coconuts.... I don't know. Tinkering with a classic? How do you suppose it is re-edited into a Dalton-Brosnan prequel? I mean, isn't it too old, so to speak?

I don't say I'm not open to the idea. Although I would still have prefered a Dalton-Brosnan film re-modfied.

Well?


OK, I've made a short list of changes that could be made on OHMSS to make it both a unique film on its own, meaning NOT a blatant repeat of OHMSS, while also different.

Start the film a little differently. Cut (for the moment) the scene where M asks where Bond is, but rather, create a whole new scene, which features entirely Q. Shots and moments from the Connery/Moore films where Q is lecturing about some gadget he's made. You could get any shots that don't require showing Bond's face. Then, Q presents his new car to Bond, which will be his Aston Martin. Then, we see him riding the road as in the film. The film goes on as it is.

Then, after Bond finds Contessa's shoes, cut the "This never happened to the other fella" line and create a whole new title sequence. The song, instead of the (amazingly good, so wonderful) OHMSS theme, place "Mister Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", because the lyrics could be used to re-introduce Bond for this series that contains the Dalton and Brosnan entries. Likewise, whenever the OHMSS theme is featured, it should be replaced by either an adventurous rendition of the KKBB song, or something David Arnold-esque (he has quite a few adventure themes on his own).

Cut out any references to Lazenby being Connery Bond, since it tries to be a film that launches stories, doesn't continue others, with no ties to other Bonds. So Moneypenny's "even more so" should be cut and his office's scene shortened.

If possible, cut out references to SPECTRE. If possible, too, rename it to something more contemporary. Keep Blofeld, since he was and always be Bond's nemesis.

Any possible reference(s) to this being set in the 60's. It has to pass up as being set, at the very least, 10 years prior to "The Living Daylights". It can't be 1969 for the Dalton/Brosnan films.

After Tracy's shot, fade in slowly on Athens. There, you see Blofeld with some woman (Claudia Cardinale, from the film "Escape to Athena"), and we get the idea that he joined some revolutionaries. Then, we see Felix Leiter (David Hedison, from the film "Live and Let Die"), who's apparently speaking to Bond, as he calls him James. He has apparently informed that Blofeld is in Greece. Then, we see Blofeld answering the phone, and as we see Blofeld 's surprise at hearing Bond (he says his name "Bond, James Bond"), a bomb goes off. Then we cut to a close up to Tracy's grave (still shot from "For Your Eyes Only"'s pre-credit sequence). We then hear (that can't be Lazenby's voice, obviously) Bond say "Rest, my love. The bastard is dead." and credits with Bond theme.

Well? What do you all think? Would this kind of re-edit pass up nicely as a prequel to the Dalton/Brosnan movies? I think it could...
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#260860
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Ideas: James Bond re-edit suggestions...
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Originally posted by: Batman Beyond
Also, what do you all think of the idea of taking an irrelevant Brosnan or Dalton, spy-related, movie, and turn it into a prequel to TLD, LTK, GE, TND, TWINE and DAD? I only want to seperate the film from the Connery-Moore entries, since with the new CR and all, I like to believe that the Daltona and Brosnan entries are a seperate universe to the Connery/Moore (Moore can still, somewhat, convince me he's the same Bond with Connery), with OHMSS a common link to both - it happened in both universes, that is.

Well, what do you think?


I like it. Its far more feasible to think of that scenario (that the Connery-Lazenby-Moore films are one era, the Dalton-Brosnan another, and Craig now yet another one), then thinking how TLD could ever follow AVTAK. I like the fact that Dalton and Brosnan in their films brought a more introspective look in the character. Their movies felt more Fleming (even with the, at times, unnecessary action) than the Fleming-based titles of the movies Moore stared in. So I like it as an idea. Now all you need is a film that preludes that Bond, I guess.

I just had a fantastic idea - why not re-edit OHMSS as a prequel to the Dalton-Brosnan entries? I understand that Bond in that film is at his best and most experienced, and the re-edit shouldn't try that - but with a clever re-edit, you can allude that Bond's been doing it for a while and been tired of it. It'd be a nice parallel to CR, where Bond also had intentions to leave.

Hear this: Cut out any references to the Connery films, and if possible, to SPECTRE - with loop, it could be any other organization. And at the end, you could create a whole new ending on which Blofeld is killed.

I haven't figured how such an edit should be handled, but it has promise. The reason of even thinking about this is because of the obvious fact that Bond's wife is been referenced in LTK and TWINE. And slightly in TND.

What do you think? What do you ALL think?

Well?
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#260258
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Info: Superman II Donner, and III &amp; IV extended edits
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I generally agree with Commander Courage concerning the Lester kiss scene. Why create a whole lot of fuss for not including it, just because it might connect to a film that may not be liked by some. The kiss has been there for YEARS now, one fourth of a century (in Ridley Scott's words for ALIEN ), and just leaving Lois know would be wonderful indeed, but pointless since the story would go NOWHERE. With the amnesia kiss back in, one can safely assume SR takes places afterwards. Which is a nice thought, really, because that was the intention with SR all along.

Look, booh, fact is, its just a movie. A comic book movie. So the 80's sensibilities to be brought back in SR just to fit the story told in STM and SII is stretching it. You can just as easily say that all three movies take place in an alternate reality from ours (WHOAH!). Never mind the 25 years between the films. In the end of the day, that doesn't really matter.

Anyway, I agree with you about the mother scenes. I think we can have both Cal-El/Lara-El and Jor-El/Cal-El scenes brought back in. However, Jor El's time must be dominant. I say use her only on the Clark scenes, and not the other ones, the Luther scenes and so on.
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#260092
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Info: Superman II Donner, and III &amp; IV extended edits
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Well, leaving the kiss allows the story to actually tie with SUPERMAN RETURNS better... Why refuse the fact that SR follows it (although loosely)? Lets make an effort to aknowledge it. Because no matter what, officially, Supes made Lois forget by that kiss. So no edit with change that fact. Better as well aknowledge it, and move from there. Making a hybrid is a priority.

Although, I got to ask... If a Superman II re-edit happens, should it follow Donner Cut's structure/timeline, with Lester bits here and there (my choice), or be it the theatrical-Lester cut with Donner scenes here and there (NOT my choice)?

What do you think?
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#259921
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Info: Superman II Donner, and III &amp; IV extended edits
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I say keep the Eiffel Tower in II... Just saw IV (what an experience!!! better picture, but still a harmless little flick. Not bad. Loads of potential there, though), and can't fit there at all. Main reason: Perry White. He's quite old in IV. So either re-instate it smartly, or not at all - I prefer the way the villains are released in the Donner Cut.

IMO, always!
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#259569
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FAN EDIT REQUEST THREAD - Post your dream Fan Edits Here!
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Here's a thread with an enteresting request
James Bond re-edit suggestions....

Basicly, Batman Beyond suggests someone could take the black and white-1958(or something, don't remember) version of CASINO ROYALE and re-edit it into a prequel to DR. NO. Also, he suggests the Pierce Brosnan film TAILOR OF PANAMA to be re-edited into into a Bond prequel to the Dalton and Brosnan Bond movies. I understand his reasoning, as I share it somewhat. For I believe that while Moore can somewhat convince that he's the same Bond as Connery and Lazenby (even if his performance doesn't suggest so), Dalton and Brosnan are too young themselves to convince at that. So I suggest a prequel for their era that introduces Bond, but not in the filmic Bond sense - thats why I thought it'd be interesting to search for a film that has either Dalton or Brosnan played a Bond-like figure, to introduce their character.

And the opinion of turning the EON game (Everything of Nothing) into a movie, has also been expressed in the same thread. And that'd be nice too, I think.

I hope Batman Beyond doesn't mind I posted this here.

What do you all say?
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#258358
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Ideas: James Bond re-edit suggestions...
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I'd really like to obtain CR of 1954. Maybe Batman Beyond is right about it, it could be re-edited, somehow.

But Tailor of Panama is extremely difficult, if impossible, to re-edit as a Bond film... POSSIBLE SPOILERBrosnan in that film betrays his service, essentially, and goes away with much, much cash. Plus, the film's about Geoffrey Rush's character, Harry. How can you/do you propose to re-edit that film into a Bond, supposedly (if I understood correctly) into a prequel to Dalton's TLD?

I believe this is a suggestions thread and whoever suggests something, can hope to make it either himself or someone with more editing experience.

I like the idea, a film that could be the start to Brosnan/Dalton Bond. I always considered them seperate from the others, because they're so much younger than them. Isn't there, though, ANY Dalton film that could possibly be re-edited into a Dalton/Brosnan prequel?
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#258083
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Ideas: James Bond re-edit suggestions...
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
Originally posted by: russs15
I have picked up this DVD from ebay uk.

I will let you all know what it is like when it arrives.

The official VHS is still available to buy on ebay and I am sure that a worldwide search there will find more copies for sale.


Oh yeah, Agonybooth.com has a review of it. It's called "Climax! Casino Royale", and from all accounts, it's really stupid. It features an American secret agent named Jimmy Bond.


Really? I only heard it was a mediocre film, not the be considered with. Anywho, WOW, the artwork is great. Is there any way to obtain this DVD?

And of course, it'd be nice to see all those re-edits above. Tailor of Panama could turn into a Bond picture, but not without a lot trimming, me thinks. The intention is to make it a prequel to the Dalton and Brosnan 007 films, right? Honestly, THAT would be quite hard, impossible even.

Does anyone have any ideas, cause I don't.
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#137312
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<strong>The Official Greencapt 'Batman &amp; Robin: De-Assified' Edit thread</strong> (Released)
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Also, I would like to ask, as I want to re-edit some movies myself, how did you do it? I am relatively unexperienced with this sort of thing. How did you re-edit the film, and still had the quality of the DVD?

And also, how did you put it on DVD? Once I finish my re-edit (which could take a lot of time), I would like to put on a dvd and view it on my tv.

I would really, really appreciate any information you may give. Thank you in advance.
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#137260
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<strong>The Official Greencapt 'Batman &amp; Robin: De-Assified' Edit thread</strong> (Released)
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Thanks for the comments CC and segaflip-

Many valid points there CC and I agree for the most part. There are some awkward moments that were destined to be there.

Bane should have been a strong enough (no pun intended) character to build a whole film around instead of throwing him in, likewise a Batgirl (I say 'a' because we all know that character *wasn't* Batgirl ). Oh and btw- did your catch the Bane bit after the credits? Its funny because I envisioned sort of a psuedo-story going on during this version of the film- including the set-up for Bane to appear in a 'sequel'.

Most of Batgirl's stuff stunk so again in 'story-in-my-head' mode I pictured that Batman, much more intelligent than Schumacher or the script gave him credit for, *knew* that Barbara was up to something and you even can (hopefully) get the impression that Bruce and Alfred baited her.

I fully admit the 'Robin-signal' makes no sense in the edit, but god help me I couldn't bring myself to put more Bane in the film! And regretfully Bane and Ivy are joined at the hip in the film.

As to the transitions, yes in the 'version' I was trying to stay as true as possible to the other 3 films in the series. My friend BatmanMD (who is obviously too good to post here anymore ) also liked the idea of more wipes, etc. I know, as stated before, that I'm going to do a version 2.0 eventually (audio commentary, etc) and I very well may re-visit severla of these points. I don't know about other editors but there is always the temptation to keep re-doing and re-doing the work. This works well to a point but eventually one will end up like George Lucas and tweaking and tweaking... a bad thing IMHO.


First time poster here, want to say what I wonderfull forum this is, what a great movement it is to try and restore the original cuts of Star Wars, and, to go by the topic, say what a great recut this film was. However, as many others have mentioned, I miss Alfred sub-plot and for one I may the only one to say that I missed the bickering between Batman and Robin. I understand your notions behind your editing them out, but I still miss them and feel, if edited correctly, could serve the film a great deal.

If you do a version 2.0, which I hope you do, please consider including the Alfred sub-plot into the film, but ending not with Alfred miraculously surviving. My gripe was that the film built to him dying and he didn't. Can you make it seem as if he dies in the end, and somehow incorporate a funeral-like scene, if you could make that digitally of via other software stuff.

Also, I think the bickering must be re-instated, although in a much less gratuitous fashion. For instance, it's be nice to show Robin actually crushed with Ivy, but not Batman, and then their argument would be overall over Batman's ability to trust others (I think its in tune with the character, as Batman doesn't easily trust someone) and their argument would be finished when Bruce asks Dick to trust him before going away with the Robin signal.

I got to say, I loved your idea of Bruce and Alfred baiting Barbra. And I liked how you reconstructed the scene. You should had a "Welcome!" by Clooney's Bruce before showing him in costume. Maybe search for a "welcome" thats sounds like Clooney to insert there, to show how he expected her. Also, maybe show her suit up, and while she's suiting up, show Batman suit up (footage from the early beggining of the film, minus the butt and cod-piece shots), as well to show that they both prepare to go to Robin and help him? I think that would enhance your point, and it would remind of FOREVER's Batman suiting up the Sonar suit, and BR with Batman suiting up before going to rescue the Ice Princess.

What is your opinion? Do you like/hate my suggestions? Please tell me because I liked you recut, actually..