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#31610
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SE Trilogy on DVD coming this Fall
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I'd agree that the original trilogy would be called the sequel. You gotta remember that George Lucas is essentially returning to the movie making block after telling everyone the ending. How interesting would most of ESB be if everyone knew Skywalker spawned from the loin of Vader? If you cut through into the future kids will be entertained as ever with Jar Jar, awed with Anakin's pod racing skills, taken down the path to the dark side seeing the juxtaposition between Anakin good and Anakin bad, whatever to send him over the edge in the third, then onward towards the (possibly memorized) original movies, completion with redemption. IMHO Movie timeline and real life timeline dictates OT as the original sequel, and eps 1-3 as the prequel follow-up. Now if Douglas Adams was around to share the book about was-were-is-were etc (haven't gotten that spot referenced) we could all move on to realizing that the latter portion of the book was left blank to save on ink costs. Thank you and good day.

It's all about the towel.
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#29782
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Poll off of Episode II alone
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Originally posted by: empress_T
after Ep1 i would have said no ie the funeral. but after Ep2 im not so sure i dont think yoda knows for sure but...


It's good I'm not so much of a geek anymore but glad I haven't lost my geek status at any rate. From what I have heard the funeral is a result of *most* Jedi's biting the dust, it's only more trained Jedi such as Yoda and Obi Wan (If you strike me down I will become more blah blah blah) that was supposedly to be explained in the second movie. Here-say dictates a Jedi "skill" for turning into invisible mist (what, you have a better explanation? so although it says nothing about future happenings I think losing innocence is what these movies are about. There's not any misuse of Jedi power so far tho, which is somewhat disturbing. I just thought of this and Yoda never said Anakin turned to the dark side, even while on his killing spree. Not until Darth Vader blatantly choked the advocate against the force was there any unrefutable proof of darksideness, (well besides killing the opposition of finding the rebellion). There's not any stance really that makes it pointless for discussion hence this now. Hey, if anyone else wants to start a new thread, talk about midochlorians or whatever. Spelling I guess doesn't explain Lucas' shortcut for finding the kid and I can't explain it... after winning the "They knew" bit my friend threw out the "chlorines" <laughing myself only> and I had nothing to retort with.

Personally, I think Yoda will have a prime role in the downfall of Anakin. And I hope for the love of (a higher supreme being it is not a Matrix ending... gimme Dark City and call it a day.

pablo
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#29531
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Poll off of Episode II alone
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It's allright, I know my imaginations drifts away. I have seen Episode II plenty of times and thought maybe people might help me determine how far off base my conclusions were. I mean, h311, whether or not it panned out, I still think it would have been cool for Anakin's pal on Tattoine to find Massassi Warrior Armor and have the buddy buddy relationship apparent in ESB with Darth Vader. Eh, no violent death or anything, simply an individual response to finding out too late that a loved one is always mortal, same as anyone I guess. I just figured if you watched Episode II with the intent of checking Yoda's interaction with Palpatine plus outside "pertinent" script, there seemed however remotely a chance for Yoda to feign obliviousness to circumstances known to people who have seen the rest of Star Wars.

(Possibly Stupid) Reason #1:
TPM
<Obi Wan Kenobi> But Master Yoda said I should mindful of the future... (perhaps implying knowledge the other Jedi are going to be slaughtered -- very far fetched)

#2
TCW
<Yoda> Too sure of themselves they are, even the older, more experienced Jedi.

(This one is far fetched and only through broken English possibly relevant)
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TCW
<Yoda> Until caught the killer is, *our* opinion - she must respect
Followed closely by Palpatine playing Chancellor with Anakin, this is deep in the movie.

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TCW
<Yoda> Only the Dark Lord of the Sith is aware of our [shortened capabilities]
Spoken in the presence of Palpatine.

And last but not least, the CGI close-up of Yoda when Amidala's life had just been threatened in the beginning and the Council was discussing with Palpatine what to do ->
<Palpatine> I realize this disruption would mean added security, but perhaps an old friend, Obi Wan Kenobi.

If you see the possibility I'm not a complete geek (though I hold no grudge to those who do) make a concious effort to at least humor the idea that Yoda was aware of Palpatine when watching Episode II. As was said in Episode I through Qui Gon - Your focus determines your reality. That is all. If only more nerds were as understanding perhaps pencil protectors wouldn't be a defining point or as defining. They have their function, stylish no, but functional.

Dan
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#29399
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Poll off of Episode II alone
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Before answering this I am asking you to watch Episode II and focus on Yoda's involvement between the Chancellor's actions and the moving story line as it pertains to the poll.

Strictly from any evidence seemingly visualized or otherwise, the question for this poll is Did Yoda believe Chancellor Palpatine as the Dark Lord of the Sith? My reason for asking this is CGI close-up or not, Yoda did at one point say only the Dark Lord himself knew the Jedi's weakness *in front of the Chancellor* but don't let me dissuade you. I'm afraid I don't have the DVD versions so if there is a poll-halting interview I am unaware (however curious if suitable) and would like to know George Lucas' status as he made the movies himself, ironically both of the first two unlike the original trilogy.
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#28689
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It's a mystery to me.... Were Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon aware Padme was actually Queen Amidala in Episode I?
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They knew! I always say that when around a friend of mine followed quickly by his retort of They didn’t know! Sometimes masked by coughs, it’s humorous and never gets old (much like the Star Wars movies). What we are referring to is whether or not Obi Wan and Qui Gon were aware Padme was actually Queen Amidala in Episode I. So here is a poll. Did you think based on the first movie that they knew of the Queen’s front? Anakin was surprised… but how about the others? I will also pay those who think they knew (j/k)

Dan

p.s. -> I’m also new, so if this doesn’t create a poll don’t ask me why because I’ve never done this before.

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#28688
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Imaginings, new insight to old movies
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Just yappin', found this when looking for if the trilogy is on dvd and the cut-off points for when i database them after getting widescreen thx mastered... I signed the petition and definitely love ebay and second hand stores for the originals. Please ignore lack of grammatical corrections.

I was gettin around to watching Episode IV earlier today when I saw a few new things (as always happens) when Grand Moff Tarkin twitched his mouth after learning of the Death Star's weakness when asked of whether or not to prepare an escape vehicle, and something either nostalgically or imagined that Obi Wan did when distracting Darth Vader and turning off the tractor beam enabling the Millenium Falcon to escape. He smiled. Before giving up his life which had meant so much as a "father"ly type to Anakin he swiftly ended Luke's subpar instruction in the depths of the Force. Hope still pervaded his psyche if he was able to see past the helmet and outer shell into the fact he was still alive and kicking, contrary to Grand Moff Tarkin's insisting Darth Vader was the last of the ancient religion, so to speak. He knew what he was doing, obviously, especially after disappearing upon the ending of his life, but why give a cocky wispy smile? I think what little hope he had he was giving Luke, reminiscing over the good times with Anakin, and basically doing a last hoorah for life.

Palpatine could not remove the time spent between Obi Wan and Anakin, but could Darth Vader discern pointless happiness? He stomped on the empty robe a few times to insure nothing was left, and not until (to his disappointment) at the end of the movie did he notice a kid so strong with the force. Note: not light side or dark side, just the force.

I think it's funny how Senator Palpatine jumps between confusing the walled up Jedi into mistaking their own abilities and pushing forward his idea of a working government (albeit selfish). His loose style of leadership combined with the determined forcings behind the scenes shows lightly the intelligence, manipulation even, of the dark side's workings. What I don't get, frankly, is why Yoda, seemingly questioning Chancellor Palpatine when talking about if it will come to war in episode II, says specifically in the room that only the dark side knows of the inability for the Jedi to see past a clouded view to clear a way for an easier future. Shouldn't Chancellor Palpatine, being a politician, be one of those people who are to be misled into assuming something which is not true? Where the line is drawn I can't say, but it's redundant to even ignore half the close-ups of Yoda while Palpatine is talking and the outwardness associated with communication and actual action of the Jedi's relation with the Chancellor. You don't need an old friend to endanger the life of a Senator, no matter how you look at it.

I bring a Dune quote in now because it makes so much sense to me anyways. The easy path leads ever downward into stagnation. The Jedi had cut themselves off from the populace and although being skillful weren't as easy going as the populace seemed to be. The original movies were not subjugated to saying we are keepers of the peace, not soldiers, or we are this not that over continually. The push out of an enclosed area is what I believe Yoda worked towards trying not to end the Jedi line but eventually bowing to the wilings of the anarchists Obi Wan under bond of Qui Gon. Qui Gon seemed to me more the rebel, able to loosely hold his position in lieu of the controlled world of the Jedi. What blocked Yoda at first may have been removing an easy path for the dark side to attack Anakin (Drop, Anakin!). He was quick enough to see and not get "arrogant" as is importantly pointed out through much debate between Mace, Obi Wan, and Yoda about Anakin. Would you tell people about their deaths if you knew it imminent? Always in motion the future is, as Yoda had said in episode V, so flexibility seemed the notion to work behind a facade not unlike Palpatine's...

What's different is Obi Wan tried not to allow Anakin his chance at reuniting with his mother as a Live and let Die lesson. Instead of going back to allowing hope between relations to flourish and blossom Obi Wan believed (IMHO) that as dreams pass in time so do lives, so do nightmares, so can Palpatine. So next time you see a smile, or a twitch of the mouth, consider the acting or directing or rather the greater picture, and keep an open mind without having the script being the only focus point to rely on. A movie is just that, sound, picture, and most of all, imagination. Thanks for reading this far if you have, and keep on rocking the kazbah.

Dan