cinebird

I think this thread has swerved off the rails to the left, and into a political swamp.

That’s what I’ve had to accept as well, that my memory from 77 of the hangar scene, was probably re-manufactured later. The weight of evidence as I dug into it lately, does not support it being real.

Possibly in my case it was imagining in 77 that Jabba was humanoid, even though he was not shown. Given image by seeing a TV special or documentary later. With dialogue being so similar to Greedo scene reinforcing it (“hey I remember that dialogue…”).

Being annoyed in 84 watching ROTJ and seeing Jabba the slug, points to the memory being set-in before then. Or, less likely I was still imagining him being a human originally. Too long ago to know how it all happened now.

The dialogue similarities to the Greedo scene likely contributed to how easy it was to create a memory in this case. Its easy to see how the brain can use the audio as a reference point, to grab the video of that scene and insert it in memory.

DominicCobb said:

I remember in 1999 when I saw TPM there was a scene where Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon made out AND I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU GUYS SAY YOU CAN’T TELL ME IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.

Don’t worry, scenes along those lines will most likely be coming someday in one of the many sequels, so you can have a true memory of it.

TV’s Frink said:

Chill, it’s a joke.

Ha ha. No we arent getting silly at all, are we.

Back to the topic, I personally don’t have any memory about Luke and two throws or Biggs on Tatooine, just the jabba tatooine scene got stuck in my head. Looking at them on youtube again now, both the human and the slug one are imho really bad and don’t fit well in the movie. Lucas should have left it edited out, imo.

BTW, finding out about Harmy and the other restorations floating around, they sound interesting to see. Although I would most like to see the original trilogy again on the big screen, with new prints. I’d pay money to see them again although I reckon most all theatres are digital by now. I’d bet another trilogy showing would still make money though.

Okay, so youre the forum grammar patrol. Duly noted.

TV’s Frink said:

cinebird said:

TV’s Frink said:

I can claim on this anonymous website that I’m actually a sentient computer running for president, but that doesn’t make it reality.

Hmm well yes I guess you could indeed claim sentinence, but it doesn’t make it true.

If you’re going to try and insult my intelligence, you could at least spell all your words correctly.

Chill, its a joke.

TV’s Frink said:

I can claim on this anonymous website that I’m actually a sentient computer running for president, but that doesn’t make it reality.

Hmm well yes I guess you could indeed claim sentinence, but it doesn’t make it true.

TV’s Frink said:

Many, many people misremember many, many things.

You sure you aren’t just misunderestimating?

OK, I’ve done a good bit more poking around the web including Usenet from 1983-84. A few of us old farts are remembering the same thing. Problem is, its very few. Nothing from a lot of sources I would expect to have said something if they had found any evidence. Such as restoration efforts I just learned about (Harmy and Negative1). Oh well it was 4 decades ago what can I say.

BTW, whats so wrong about the prequels? Oh wait - Jar Jar Binks, never mind.

SilverWook said:

Calling all the ancillary material crap is a tad harsh.

Yeah probably. Didn’t quite mean it like that, just it was a big pile. I even knew a guy who had a disco version of music on 8-track.

When Disney declared the books “non-canonical” whatever that means, it made me want to read them. But, I haven’t gotten around to it.

Say what you like, I still have my own views of the matter. The print sources you mention are all derivatives from the same so them agreeing doesn’t mean anything. You might as well throw in LaserDisc, Super-8, Betamax, and U-Matic for all that says. And mentioning books, scripts, photos, trading cards, comic books, novels, etc has no relevance. I was not much of a fan and never bothered with that extra crap.

Of the trilogy, I saw the original movie 3 times in June 77, Empire Strikes Back in 80, and Return of the Jedi once in 83. The jabba scene sticks in my mind because in 83 it was jarring to see a slug in Jedi when I had memory of jabba being a human before that. After that was a 20 year gap not paying attention to Star Wars at all. Too busy with work and life. Around 2003 my son got interested in Star Wars so I wanted to show him the first movie. We watched it on VHS. That one had the slug jabba in the hangar scene. I was like huh that’s weird, thought sure that scene had a guy originally. Being curious, occasionally after that I tried other sources on DVD and VHS, some had them had slug jabba, some didn’t have the scene at all, and when I saw one with a human jabba, thought ok yeah, finally this is what I remember from 77.

Digging into it abit lately, it seems even amongst the original production staff there is some confusion and disagreement on that scene - whether there were camera or technical problems or not, whether there were one or multiple days of shooting to fix problems, if the scene was meant to be human or a stop action model, etc, etc.

It does bother me that most sources now, assert the scene was cut out of the theatre release. And yet I seem to recall it being there in my marathon viewing in June 77. Could it be a remanufactured memory? Of course its always possible. Have wondered this myself.

But I also think its possible my memory is real. It cannot be denied that they made substantive audio edits and track and print format changes during the theatre run from May77 to Nov78. Also Lucas being so OCD about tweaks then often fibbing about the history, his intentions, etc - doesn’t help me buy much of what he says about that scene.

My own view is 20th Century pushed them kicking and screaming to release something, while they were still debating what to do about that scene. Lucas himself says he asked for money from Fox to change things which gave him heartburn, even while Star Wars was in the theatre. Personally I don’t believe they had any idea Star Wars was going to be anything but a one-off mediocre space movie. So my own belief is when Fox pushed them to release in May77 (months behind schedule), they let the film out with a lot of rough edges both in audio and visual, and while still arguing what to do about this or that. I think once it became clear it was going to be a smash hit, that’s when Lucas started seriously thinking about sequels, things which really bothered him to change in the original, etc. I’m sure that Jabba scene was at the top of the list of things which fried his bacon.

I never saw this cartoon before, nor anything in 1983 about some special. So no, this is not any source material for forming false memories.

My memory predates any of the crap that came later. Read my account again for clarity.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:
… it’s still a faulty mechanism that’s creating it to start with. The fact that the memories are of things which exist in one form or another actually reinforces the false memory.

Saying my memory is a false creation, in the assertive and certain way you did here, strongly reveals what you very much want it to be. The rest of your post is simply your own narration of my life and viewing history, which may in your own mind reinforce your own views, but none of which is accurate btw. That’s fine, I get that some people want to compartmentalize input for their own comfort level.

I saw Star Wars with a friend in Grand Junction, Colorado in June 1977. We sat through 3 showings in a row. In those days if you just sat in the back between showings, this theatre wouldn’t kick you out. By the third showing I almost had memorized the scenes and dialogue word-for-word.

For sure in that showing, the human Jabba scene was included. People can say whatever they like, but I know it was there. I recall seeing Return of the Jedi in 1983 being surprised Jabba changing from a fat human to a big slug, but thinking oh well Lucas can change whatever he wants.

The only thing I can explain this is they were in a hurry to release and left it in the first theatre prints. Then when those wore out, all print distributions after that omitted it. I have read elsewhere that they did change many audio effects during the first run between May 77 and July 78. It wouldn’t surprise me if that scene got quietly cut early in the run.