Two bads can make an excellent!
There was some concept art for good/evil versions of various characters for Battle Front 4 (https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5DsubZdeLNvKxKsVCBRHaB-650-80.jpg)
As far as shoe horning goes - I think they really missed an opportunity not linking Qui-Gon and Dooku into one character somehow.
Alternatively - what if Dooku is leader of the council in Episode 1? Or just swap Mace Windu with him as Yoda’s second in command?
AH! I loved that! Dubbed chemistry!
Alot of threads! The challenge is have them connect meaningfully.
I really like the idea of bringing Qui-Gon in. He might end up being a bit like Poe in TFA, where he’s a bit there but a bit not.
If he, Obi-Wan and Dooku are all Yodas apprentices there could be some nice collective scene with the four of them perhaps? Or maybe where they talk about Dooku without him being around. Qui Gon dying in the temple assault could be good - there was no real point of view for that, and maybe Maul could be edited to a sort of proto-Vader?
I sort of like the idea that Palpatine is the one who brings up Sith for the first time, like its a legitimate alternative to being a Jedi for Anakin - and not overtly associated with being evil. This being said your suggestion that it’s Qui-Gon who sees the Sith (maybe in a vision?) would be good - maybe he sees wrinkly Sidious which could lead to an alternative explanation as to why he looks so radically different at the end of ROTS.
Maybe Qui-Gon orders the clone army as a result of his paranoia about the Sith and the rebels?
I agree about the Clone Wars in action already. Maybe the politicing is about escalation?
Yeah the video quality is bad generally - I’ve only looked on youtube though. Surely that sort of thing makes it to the Blu-Rays?
That’s great! It evokes a bit more of Luke travelling to Dagobah for me. Really nicely timed and observed!
AOTC editing is in the air!
If its okay I’ll just start splurging ideas out that may or may not be appropriate to your edit! But just sort of radical enough to maybe fit your approach to editing. They also assume we don’t have a TPM necessarily.
I always liked the idea of giving him a mask - like Darth Revan/Kylo Ren. This would be with the intention of him un-masking just before the Obi-Wan duel, to add more weight to the fight.
Through the magic of science, what if it was possible to swap the heads of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in the balcony scene in TPM (ie the “Master you’d be on the council right now…” scene) with Dooku and bearded Obi-Wan to an earlier point in the film.
Remove YODA from the film entirely - he’s just referenced heavily. During the Dooku/Obi-wan duel, take the dialog from the interrogation scene, but swap the Qui-Gon references to Yoda (“I wish YODA was here right now, I could use his help” etc). I always felt the interrogation scene was quite flat, as was the duel, so maybe the dialog mixed into the duel could add some weight again. “You must join with ME Obi-Wan” right before a scene change mid fight would be great.
Are you doing SITH dooku or rogue Jedi Knight dooku?
If you lose TPM, you have the potential for Droids to invade NABOO.
An opening could be having the Battle of Naboo, with Padme leading a fight to the hangar to get to coruscant. You’d obviously lose the potential to return to Naboo later in the movie though…
Alternatively the invasion of NABOO could be a motive for Anakin and Padme leaving?
If you really wanted to turn the film on its head - could Anakin and Padme be from Naboo? Could the film open with the romance scenes on Naboo? And instead of travelling from Coruscant to Naboo its the other way around - theres alot of walking/talking that could be leading TO transports and not away from them
REUSED FOOTAGE -
I skipped through a film called VIRGIN TERRITORY the other week, thinking a medieval film with Hayden could be a great source for Anakin stuff. I’m not sure it is - he has this weird fake british accent in it - he does however do alot of gardening though, which might some how fit with the scenes at her parents house? (could he be a family friend?)
This probably wouldn’t work - but I did wonder once if anything from the outtakes could actually work in an edit, you actually see more chemistry between Portman and Hayden off screen. There’s the odd apologetic laugh and hug that might make them believable - just in the totally wrong parts of the film.
I remember ages ago you were batting around the idea of making Windu a sort of Severus Snape style foil for Anakin - would you do something like that?
Welcome back SSWR!
I posted an idea years ago about turning Geonosis into some sort of super weapon. At the time it was the thought of having the planet essentially fly through hyperspace so it could make surprise attacks throughout the republic - so the mysterious ‘missing planet’ subplot could be about the hunt for the mysterious Seperatist Base instead of Kamino.
Another line of thinking could be that instead of trying to tie the PT to the OT, one could think of ways to tie the PT to the ST (giftwrap the OT). We are yet to find out more from the ‘Knights of Ren’ - but could this be something Dooku and Grevious be a part of? Essentially a third Jedi faction (if the sith are the second). Could the Star Killer base be a sister planet to Geonosis advocating similar technology? (Star killer always seemed like a clumsy prototype to the nimble Death Star to me).
Shroud of the Dark Side did this
Reading through the cutlist for the WCOYJ Cut of TLJ, I really like how CodySolo has placed the flashbacks in the cave sequence - a nice place to put a revelation without necessarily breaking with star wars not necessarily using flashbacks as a device.
So it got me thinking - what if Luke revisits the cave on Dagobah in ROTJ? Could this be a place for a flashback, a foreboding prediction of later events in ROTJ or a teasing link to the ST? How could this work in context to PT or ST edits that might decide to cut or change events slightly?
Oh man. 10 years and a day I replied first.
We should make these radical edits soon right?
The gang infiltrates the Imperial Capital!
This change really lifts the scene! Love it.
Ironically I felt that the ST lacked the political context that the PT suffered from, like it would have just helped to see what the Rebels had fought so much for so we knew what the stakes are within the story.
It’d be cool if the resistance were the surviving elements of the Republic Fleet. An opening scene in TFA could be the Republic Fleet pursuing and outnumbering the First Order, only to be entirely wiped out by the ‘Mysterious Hyperspace Weapon’. Perhaps Leia senses the trap and jumps away in the Raddus just in time.
Beautifully written EddieDean.
I really liked it. Probably my favourite SW film after ESB, RO and ANH. The fan service actually felt like nerd trivia, with hints at the wider universe - not lingering shots on cantina aliens or droids - well except for the big red stinker.
I’d probably trim the Maul bit so he is just a cowled figure with robotic legs, or at most reveal a face - but the lightsabre seemed a little unecessary. I found him a bit jarring and it took me out the film.
As with an ideal Rogue One edit that has a crawl, and has a single sustained time period (ie no time jumping or flashbacks) I’d like to figure out how a space opening could work. I assume you could probably open with Star Destroyers over that planet where Han is a soldier. Would the film really make much sense without the Corellia scenes though? It would definilty lose alot of the character connection.
Radical idea - impossible to pull off in an edit, but I thought I’d share.
So Padme and Queen Amidala are seperate characters. Padme is her double for security reasons - just a fairly similar looking handmaid, who dreams of leaving the planet and wishes she was an important person/hero herself, as oppose to living in the shadow of the queen.
The bad guys invade, and the Queen is killed in an accident. Padme then assumes the identity of the Queen (probably at her request). She escapes with some bodyguards/jedi etc, returns later on, saves the day. At some critical point she probably reveals that she isn’t the queen, or gets discovered, but rallies her people from her own confidence as oppose to the image of the queen.
It would sort of map well to Luke’s journey in ANH.
Not really a FAN EDIT discussion as such, but I feel it should live here as it could potentially inform some future fan edit projects…
With STAR WARS TV & MOVIE media expanding rapidly - multiple TV SHOWS fleshing out back story to characters we see, the ever growing colletion of ‘STORY MOVIES’ prequellig characters and events etc - watching a collection of STAR WARS movies is becoming ever more cumbersome and creative.
Given the wealth of content available, what would your STAR WARS playlist be? And what yet-to-be-realised fan edit or movie be that could be part of it? Who would it be for, what themes/characters/events/places would you focus on? What would you name your playlist?
Perhaps retcon Tatooine’s sky as green?
Vaguest of ideas -
I saw the films BEFORE SUNRISE and BEFORE SUNSET recently, and was wondering about how the romance between Anakin and Padme might be a touch more convincing.
I think this would work in a PT that doesn’t contain TPM, so we start with an overhauled AOTC, and Episode III will likely be filled by a future anthology film.
So the basic premise is - we have Anakin and Padme MEET in AOTC. They have a short romance, but mutually decide, or realise it is impossible - and separate as the Clone Wars open.
The events of ROTS, which force Anakin to stay grounded on Coruscant, bringing the two together again after many years apart. The initially platonic relationship shifts as they can’t resist the revisiting the romance more completely, finally consummating their relationship - however Anakin’s slip to the Darkside ultimately stops it going any further.
She could be engaged to Bail Organa in some sort of classic aristocratic marriage. Anakin perhaps only finds out about the pregnancy being his as he chokes Padme, or it’s revealed at the very end of the film as he burns on the shores of Mustafar.
It would radically change their relationship - turning it from a marriage into more of a WHAT IF - the tragedy is possibly drawn now from Anakin not realising what good things he has until he’s crushed it.
I finally got round to watching your edits DigMod (cut opening RoR and HotF) - they’re great, really such an improvement. I’ll try and gather my thoughts into a tangible small review when I get chance.
David Lynch’s prequels?
I’ve been pondering whether the Death Star trench plot in ANH might have been intended to be anecdotal of Luke Skyhopping on Tatooine - and how those experiences indirectly equipped him for the battle of Yavin. You see this sort of thing alot in movies, and its a great way to sometimes make a convoluted victory seem believable (superhero films use it loads).
So - WHAT IF the intended (I assume it was intended) parallel between pod racing/space battle could be made more direct?
The pivotal point of the battle is Anakin flying into the droid control ship, and blowing up the reactor. Could this be made to seem more deliberate - and more believable? WHAT IF Anakin was to win the pod race by tactfully flying through a narrow alternative tunnel to slip past Sebulba? No idea how, but it might work?
Thanks for the replies!
ATMachine - I think what you are saying makes alot of sense, essentially something that was potentially conceived, maybe influenced other elements of the story, and then perhaps was dropped (but we still have it’s DNA in the story).
I didn’t want to make the comparison earlier, but had it been executed better, the podracing/space battle parallel would have been similar. It would have been nice to see Luke come up with an instinctive strategy with Biggs based on their experiences in Beggar’s Canyon - as you mentioned Silverwook, it would be really cool to see in a Luke centered Prequel Film.