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Ahh! I love that!
Really subtle. I always wondered if Anakin would have been a stronger character if he just spoke LESS in AOTC, that shot pretty much nails that!
Really glad to see your stuff as always SSWR!
A bit of a wild idea.
The whole child-soldier thing really bugs me about the ST. In the OT - I felt the battle between the empire and the rebels was fairly morally unambiguous. The empire was evil - the people fighting for it were likely culpable. But the element of recruiting child soldiers in the ST really makes me feel bad for the Stormtroopers and Officers who are killed.
Finn’s plotline as a defector - along with the other defectors that emerge to join them really made me think that perhaps the ending of Rise of the Skywalker could have been a mutiny? The cycle of violence between Republic loyalists and Imperial Supremacists might have been in mutual opposition to the Emperor and the Sith. It’d take some setting up - like some lie or truth unmasked that really sends the First Order troops over the edge to maybe turn on the Red Armoured Sith Troopers and older officers.
No idea how this would come across or work - or even the shape such a plotline might take.
I voiced an idea years ago, but it could be reworked perhaps.
What if GEONOSIS is a secret superweapon, which utilises a secret technology to jump around the galaxy to launch surprise military attacks. It would have the ability to just churn out Droid armies.
I figured that the film could open with the Jedi Arena attack, and it’d just disappear as they make their escape in orbit. Part of the whole film would have the Jedi searching for it - Obi Wan would follow Jango Fett and find the planet, allowing the Republic to make an invasion with the Clone Army.
What if at the climax it makes some sort of faulty jump and it’s assumed it’s destroyed. In the ST it has been rediscovered (as EXEGOL) ready to create droids that are much more terrifying?
Another nugget - what if Rey is tutored initally in dreams by Ghost Anakin. It’d help bridge her rapid jump to super-Jedi from literally nowhere.
I’d also love to somehow retool the James Earl Jones’ “REMEMBER…” speech from the lion king to lecture Luke (although why would he have THAT voice?). It’d help bring Anakin’s story full circle if he is then teaching Luke from beyond the OT.
Heres my idea that would change both the originals and the sequels- DON’T KILL OFF DARTH VADER in Return of the Jedi. 😮 He would still throw the emperor down the shaft and turn good, but he doesn’t take his mask off. Then have him appear in the SEQUELS using other james earl jones dialogue and other footage. Then finally in Episode 9 he would kill the Emperor again and Luke (who would also have to survive, unless we can somehow make it Ben there too) takes his mask off. That way the prophecy thing is kept, Anakin has years to be redeemed, and Sebastian Shaw would then be the right age to play Anakin as an old man. I don’t know maybe this is too much, i was thinking about doing this in my 3 in one but i also don’t want to ruin Reys arc and Lukes arc. What would be so nice and beautiful would be Rey, Ben, Leia, Luke and Anakin, the whole skywalker family all against Palpatine and all not as ghosts but alive, but I don’t know if this is possible.
A bit of a late quote - I did think the ST would have worked better if Anakin had been redeemed by Luke’s death in ROTJ - and had then gone to live in exile. With no Jedi to guide him Ben Solo becomes Kylo Ren (who idolises the image of Vader) - and the wayward force sensitive turns to the long lost Jedi Anakin Skywalker for training.
Learning the truth of Anakin’s redemption would seed doubt in Kylo Ren who ultimately is himself redeemed.
To me it seemed odd she wasn’t his great-grand daughter. Like Anakin was easily young enough to be his son - and if she was younger than Kylo-Ren then the generational gap would likely be larger? I know its all sci-fi and aging seems to be all off in star wars anyway.
If he mentioned he once had a son (that had died) to Anakin in ROTS you could build some good hooks that would satisfy both Rey’s connection to him as well as strengthen his relationship to Anakin at the same time.
Yeah I was thinking like smooth black geometric things. Maybe even without crews like they’re just force powered granite slabs.
This concept for a First Order SD by Ryan Church for TFA is immediately more interesting. Maybe without the ball bit though.
I feel like the Xyston Star Destroyer was a bit of a disappointing design - like its just a classic SD with a big gun (and a red stripe). Like the Stormtroopers are overhauled with red armour - why not redesign the star destroyers too?
Without relying on prophecies etc like the PT did - I wonder if Leia is looking for Luke because she is aware of some shadowy evil at large that only the ‘DYAT OF THE FORCE’ can defeat - so she might assume its her and Luke - but then it turns out to be Ben and Rey? No idea how you’d introduce that.
I always felt it was a missed opportunity in the PT to not have the Jedi speculate that the Chosen One wasn’t someone else (like Dooku or Mace Windu) - then have a twist that it was the overlooked Anakin.
Two bads can make an excellent!
There was some concept art for good/evil versions of various characters for Battle Front 4 (https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5DsubZdeLNvKxKsVCBRHaB-650-80.jpg)
As far as shoe horning goes - I think they really missed an opportunity not linking Qui-Gon and Dooku into one character somehow.
Alternatively - what if Dooku is leader of the council in Episode 1? Or just swap Mace Windu with him as Yoda’s second in command?
AH! I loved that! Dubbed chemistry!
Alot of threads! The challenge is have them connect meaningfully.
I really like the idea of bringing Qui-Gon in. He might end up being a bit like Poe in TFA, where he’s a bit there but a bit not.
If he, Obi-Wan and Dooku are all Yodas apprentices there could be some nice collective scene with the four of them perhaps? Or maybe where they talk about Dooku without him being around. Qui Gon dying in the temple assault could be good - there was no real point of view for that, and maybe Maul could be edited to a sort of proto-Vader?
I sort of like the idea that Palpatine is the one who brings up Sith for the first time, like its a legitimate alternative to being a Jedi for Anakin - and not overtly associated with being evil. This being said your suggestion that it’s Qui-Gon who sees the Sith (maybe in a vision?) would be good - maybe he sees wrinkly Sidious which could lead to an alternative explanation as to why he looks so radically different at the end of ROTS.
Maybe Qui-Gon orders the clone army as a result of his paranoia about the Sith and the rebels?
I agree about the Clone Wars in action already. Maybe the politicing is about escalation?
Yeah the video quality is bad generally - I’ve only looked on youtube though. Surely that sort of thing makes it to the Blu-Rays?
That’s great! It evokes a bit more of Luke travelling to Dagobah for me. Really nicely timed and observed!
AOTC editing is in the air!
If its okay I’ll just start splurging ideas out that may or may not be appropriate to your edit! But just sort of radical enough to maybe fit your approach to editing. They also assume we don’t have a TPM necessarily.
I always liked the idea of giving him a mask - like Darth Revan/Kylo Ren. This would be with the intention of him un-masking just before the Obi-Wan duel, to add more weight to the fight.
Through the magic of science, what if it was possible to swap the heads of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in the balcony scene in TPM (ie the “Master you’d be on the council right now…” scene) with Dooku and bearded Obi-Wan to an earlier point in the film.
Remove YODA from the film entirely - he’s just referenced heavily. During the Dooku/Obi-wan duel, take the dialog from the interrogation scene, but swap the Qui-Gon references to Yoda (“I wish YODA was here right now, I could use his help” etc). I always felt the interrogation scene was quite flat, as was the duel, so maybe the dialog mixed into the duel could add some weight again. “You must join with ME Obi-Wan” right before a scene change mid fight would be great.
Are you doing SITH dooku or rogue Jedi Knight dooku?
If you lose TPM, you have the potential for Droids to invade NABOO.
An opening could be having the Battle of Naboo, with Padme leading a fight to the hangar to get to coruscant. You’d obviously lose the potential to return to Naboo later in the movie though…
Alternatively the invasion of NABOO could be a motive for Anakin and Padme leaving?
If you really wanted to turn the film on its head - could Anakin and Padme be from Naboo? Could the film open with the romance scenes on Naboo? And instead of travelling from Coruscant to Naboo its the other way around - theres alot of walking/talking that could be leading TO transports and not away from them
REUSED FOOTAGE -
I skipped through a film called VIRGIN TERRITORY the other week, thinking a medieval film with Hayden could be a great source for Anakin stuff. I’m not sure it is - he has this weird fake british accent in it - he does however do alot of gardening though, which might some how fit with the scenes at her parents house? (could he be a family friend?)
This probably wouldn’t work - but I did wonder once if anything from the outtakes could actually work in an edit, you actually see more chemistry between Portman and Hayden off screen. There’s the odd apologetic laugh and hug that might make them believable - just in the totally wrong parts of the film.
I remember ages ago you were batting around the idea of making Windu a sort of Severus Snape style foil for Anakin - would you do something like that?
Welcome back SSWR!
I posted an idea years ago about turning Geonosis into some sort of super weapon. At the time it was the thought of having the planet essentially fly through hyperspace so it could make surprise attacks throughout the republic - so the mysterious ‘missing planet’ subplot could be about the hunt for the mysterious Seperatist Base instead of Kamino.
Another line of thinking could be that instead of trying to tie the PT to the OT, one could think of ways to tie the PT to the ST (giftwrap the OT). We are yet to find out more from the ‘Knights of Ren’ - but could this be something Dooku and Grevious be a part of? Essentially a third Jedi faction (if the sith are the second). Could the Star Killer base be a sister planet to Geonosis advocating similar technology? (Star killer always seemed like a clumsy prototype to the nimble Death Star to me).
Shroud of the Dark Side did this
Reading through the cutlist for the WCOYJ Cut of TLJ, I really like how CodySolo has placed the flashbacks in the cave sequence - a nice place to put a revelation without necessarily breaking with star wars not necessarily using flashbacks as a device.
So it got me thinking - what if Luke revisits the cave on Dagobah in ROTJ? Could this be a place for a flashback, a foreboding prediction of later events in ROTJ or a teasing link to the ST? How could this work in context to PT or ST edits that might decide to cut or change events slightly?
Oh man. 10 years and a day I replied first.
We should make these radical edits soon right?
The gang infiltrates the Imperial Capital!
This change really lifts the scene! Love it.
Ironically I felt that the ST lacked the political context that the PT suffered from, like it would have just helped to see what the Rebels had fought so much for so we knew what the stakes are within the story.
It’d be cool if the resistance were the surviving elements of the Republic Fleet. An opening scene in TFA could be the Republic Fleet pursuing and outnumbering the First Order, only to be entirely wiped out by the ‘Mysterious Hyperspace Weapon’. Perhaps Leia senses the trap and jumps away in the Raddus just in time.