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#1262459
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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CatBus said:

Surprised the GOUT-synced Castilian audio is noticeably off in 4k83–the lip sync on that dub isn’t super-tight to begin with. Have you tried just using the unmodified GOUT track with 4K83? i.e. don’t try to fix something unless you’re sure it’s broken.

Otherwise, you just open the audio in Audition (that’s what I use), and insert .083 seconds at the right timestamp (not at a computer where I can look this up, but it’s around 1h40m, during the rebel fleet shot right after Luke’s last Dagobah scene). To prevent a gap, you’d need to stretch the audio over the gap, and that’s a little more complicated. Copy a chunk of audio overlapping the gap (before you make it), THEN insert the gap, paste the audio into a temp file, stretch-maintaining-pitch so it’s .083 seconds longer, then copy and re-paste over the stretched audio back onto the same timestamp with 50ms crossfades.

Longer term, I think creating a GOUT-synced version of the 4k83 video would solve a lot of problems. If nobody takes up that mantle for a while, I just may.

Thanks, CatBus,
Lately I have little time to devote to the original trilogy.
I will apply your advice, but in fact, also some other member wrote about how to synchronize audio with 4k83.

If I make future modifications and they come out well -that’s why I ask my doubts and ask for help 😦- I’ll share them with you in case there’s someone interested and can use them.

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#1262318
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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alexp120 said:

arnautovic said:
Hi, friend, can you send me a PM to download these audio tracks for ESB Renegade Grindhouse v1?
I would really appreciate it.
Thanks!

You would be better-off seeking-out Dreamaster’s color regarded “Renegade Grindhouse”
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Denoise-Regrain-And-CC-of-ESB-Grindhouse/id/55093
Among the things that Dreamaster has done to the “Grindhouse” print, he has GOUT-sync’d it, so, that you can mux the audio tracks from the ESB-Despecialized edition to the 35mm release print-scan with no out-of-sync issues.

arnautovic said:

Hi,
Could you pass me these castillian audio tracks to synchronize with return of the jedi 4k83?
Thanks.

If you have the Despecialized edition of ROTJ, use the castillian audio tracks from that to mux with the 4K83.

I thought that it could save me a little work.
I’m very clumsy with professional audio software…
I don’t like the Dreammastered version very much, it seems a little more “artificial” compared to “grindhouse”, and I love its dark tone. I recognize the enormous work but I prefer grindhouse, or the future 4k80 as the best available versions.

A couple of weeks ago, I made an attempt to synchronize Castilian audio for grindhouse, it didn’t go very well and it took me a lot of work. That’s why I asked more professional people in this.

I’ll continue working on this.

Would you recommend a special program to work better?
I use SoundForge and Adobe Audition at the moment.
Thanks!

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#1262278
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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Hostmaster said:

I used the 4K83 ROTJ 1080p version to create a Blu-Ray, adding a couple of gout sync Spanish castillian dubs I have (One from the 2006 DVD, included in many preservation projects in this group, and the other from the 1995 Laser Disc, the one wich has the intro narrated) and both sync ok. The were no troubles with the 2 extra frames of the 4K83 ROTJ version. I used “tsmuxer” for it.

Hi,
Could you pass me these castillian audio tracks to synchronize with return of the jedi 4k83?
Thanks.

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#1262277
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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alexp120 said:

I just uploaded on M/S a torrent containing a batch of audio files copied from Harmy’s DE 2.0 of Empire MKV that have been edited-down to synch with Renegade Grindhouse ESB: Blu Ray Compatible ISO—meaning, for each audio stream from Empire DE, I have trimmed the length of the audio to match the length of the Renegade Grindhouse Empire video of the release print scan and the edited audio is in synchronization with that video. You will not hear any audio anomalies of the edits–clicks, pops, etc.

All you have to do is mux the audio files with the video…provided that you extract video from the ISO disc image and join the six m2ts files to one long video file.

I decided to work with the ISO Compatible version instead of the previous MKV version of the same presentation because that MKV had a glitch in the final scene of the film where it was corrected in the ISO. Also, many folks had problems playing the MKV’s 4:2:2 colorspace format.

To make sure that the length of the GOUT audio files matches that length of ESB release print video, I had to compare the number of frames of each shot of the film between the release print video and the GOUT video. If so much as one frame is missing from the release print video, I have to go the GOUT audio to trim it. Fortunately, the avisynth scripts for syncing the release print video to the GOUT audio created by fandangos and Darth Mallwalker were a great start to finding these shots. My thanks to them for their work. However, I discovered other shots in the Grindhouse ESB that had missing frames. But, the thing is that, these shots show no evidence of skip-frames. This reminds me of this Hairy_Hen post…

hairy_hen said:

I’m actually fairly certain the GOUT does have more frames than might normally have been seen. The reason I say this is that if you listen extremely closely, you can actually hear small jump-cuts in the soundtracks where the audio has been looped, in order to extend it in length. Such a thing would only have been done if the video ended up being slightly longer than the audio, for the sake of maintaining synch.

Without fail, edits of this type occur each time there is a reel change. Since it happens about every ten to eleven minutes, these would correspond to the shorter reel lengths of a negative or interpositive, rather than the double length of a theatrical print. These are the same spots where different video transfers go out of synch with each other.

Most of this had to have been done for the Definitive Collection laserdiscs themselves back in 1993, but the GOUT also has a few additional edits of this nature that the laserdisc tracks do not, though for what reason I’m not sure. Since there can be so much discrepancy in frame counts between versions, even ones derived from the same master, picking one convenient reference and sticking to it—namely, the NTSC version of the GOUT—is the best way to ensure that audio synch issues are eliminated. I don’t especially like the idea of dropping any frames either, but in practice the differences are small enough not to be noticed when watching, and it is still more complete than a typical 35mm print (ie, the -1 version) would have been.

So, I did the trim of these shots in the GOUT audio.

For now, I’ve upload 8 audio files. The description of the files are as follows:

TRACK 1) 5.1 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 mix) (Yes, true 5.1 channel audio, not down mixed stereo)
TRACK 2) 2.0 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 mix)
TRACK 3) 1.0 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 16mm mono mix)
TRACK 4) 2.0 Dolby Digital [English] (1993 Laserdisc mix)
TRACK 5) 2.0 Dolby Digital [German] (1980 dub)
TRACK 6) 2.0 Dolby Digital [French] (1980 dub)
And for one of our members, Leoj… 😃
TRACK 7) 2.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish] (1980 Castilian dub)
TRACK 8) 1.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish] (1980 American Spanish dub)

Enjoy!

Hi, friend, can you send me a PM to download these audio tracks for ESB Renegade Grindhouse v1?
I would really appreciate it.
Thanks!