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#780783
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ray_afraid said:

emanswfan said:

Note how BB-8 is being puppeteered.

 Like a puppet on a stick... interesting.

Is that BB-8 though? It looks like it has wheels. The body also looks kind of boxy.
It could be that Rey had a droid before she met BB-8. Kind of like Luke's tool droid on Tatooine before he meets R2-D2 and C-3PO.

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Although there wasn't much doubt, at least now we have confirmation that C-3PO will have a red arm in TFA. I also noticed that the guy in the box with the air tubes cooling him off towards the end of the video has several bird-like aliens popping out of the side of his costume, which I assume makes him the guy inside the first alien we got to see from TFA (he's called Bobbajo btw.). Apparently his head was, as suspected, hidden in the pile of stuff on top of the box on the alien's back. Presumably he then puppeteers the alien's head with his hands inside the box.

However on the more speculative side of things; could the animatronic head that we got to see early on in the video be Maz Kanata? It looks very similar to the concept painting. If you imagine in with blue paint and the head scarf they're practically the same. The second thing that makes me think it's Kanata is because it's being controlled by motion-capture. This short clip is clearly and early test of the mechanics of the head, and you can see on the computer screen with the small camera on top if it a digital image of a man's face moving in sync with a recorded (possibly live) image of a man moving his mouth. It is possible that this is some new form of motion-capture that is being used to control the articulation of animatronic puppets. If so we could be seeing an animatronic Maz Kanata and Snoke in TFA. 

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pittrek said:

regularjoe said:

TPM has a good, well constructed story

 What? There is another version of TPM?

Well, the basic plot structure is something that TPM actually did wrong. It has a beginning, and escalation in the middle and a big climax in the end. It even kept the use of lightsabers at a minimum so that the last fight would be more exiting. It also avoided showing us the first fight between Qui-Gon and Maul in order to make the last fight seem much more intense. AOTC and ROTS on the other hand have completely nonsensical plot structures. AOTC doen't really have a story as much as it's a very, very long build-up to a not so interesting final battle. ROTS on the other hand was basically just several climaxes with brakes in the between. It starts with a lightsaber battle, has several in the middle and ends with two of them at the same time. TPM may have had pretty bad writing, and to much CGI, but it did at least have a SW-type plot-structure, and even some well balanced action scenes. 

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#780430
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This part of the video got me really exited. It's 0:40 sec. into the video and it shows an animatronic in lip-sync with what appears to be a motion-capture animation on the computer screen. So it could be that both Serkis and Nyongo's mo-cap characters will actually be animatronics, and not CGI. 
I could be wrong, but I really hope that's the case. Mixing mo-cap and animatronics would definitely be a great way to mix modern digital technology with practical effects.

 

Oh, and here's our mystery alien as he/she'll look in the final film (more or less). I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be Maz Kanata though. It's seems a bit strange that they would reveal such an important character in such a casual manner in this video. So it's probably just another one of her pirate friends.

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John Doom said:

ZkinandBonez said:

(PS. Maybe I'm being a bit dense but I have no clue what you mean by "faceless.")

:D I mean that that alien's species seem to "suffer" of a disease even worst than Anakin's: not only he doesn't have eyebrows, he/she barely has a nose, no lips, no hair and has very little ears! They seem to have an almost shapeless face.

Right, I though you were trying to make a joke or something. And I see what you mean, she/he does look a bit "burned".

 
Also now that I look closer at it's head it actually kinda looks like a coconut. Which makes the coconut drink so much more of a weird choice.

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John Doom said:

ZkinandBonez said:

[...] this could be quite close to what Maz Kanata might end up looking like in the film.

That is "faceless" :D

Is he/she drinking mate tea?

 Well she wouldn't be the only one with a drink.

I get the impression that Kanata's "palace" is going to heavily allude to the Mos Eisley Cantina scene from ANH.
Heck they even got one of the extras from that scene to appear in TFA.

Also the concept art shows an alien who might be Kanata in a kitchen with what looks like a bar in the background.

(PS. Maybe I'm being a bit dense but I have no clue what you mean by "faceless.")

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#779411
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New alien concept art leaked. Codename "Rose" People seem to think that this might be an older design of the alien handing the lightsaber to Leia in the trailer. If that's the case then this could be quite close to what Maz Kanata might end up looking like in the film.

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/07/is-this-piece-of-concept-art-what-maz-kanata-looks-like-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

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towne32 said:

Looks like Ackbar and Nien Nunb are in TFA

http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/06/exclusive-first-look-at-three-characters-from-the-force-awakens.html

With all this talk of Serkis' and Nyongo's CG characters it so great to see that these two will make another movie appearance. 

I can get why Ackbar is in TFA, but it will be interesting to see why Nien Nunb is in it. Maybe he's become a general by now or something.

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#776227
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'That Hashtag Show' have leaked a picture which is apparently a photo of a wardrobe fitting for Carrie Fisher in TFA. 

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/06/star-wars-the-force-awakens-first-look-at-princess-leia/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMFhWXp_WAI

Any thoughts on this? They're referring to it as wardrobe fitting with Carrie Fisher, but I can't really tell if it is her. To me it looks like a somewhat older woman, but then again the quality if the image isn't very good so I could be wrong.

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#776209
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Some interesting fan theories and speculations about Snoke. Hardly ground-breaking stuff, but a fun read nonetheless.   

http://whatculture.com/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens-6-theories-about-andy-serkis-supreme-leader-snoke.php

One of the more plausible theories suggest that Snoke could simply be the supreme leader of a First Order planet/region, much like how Tarkin was a governor, or rather "Gradn Moff" of a star system.  
One of the more 'wild' theories is that he could be a member of the Whills. Very unlikely, but it would be funny if Kasdan/Abrams had actually dug up that old of an idea. I'm guessing that they based that idea of his lines from the trailer about feeling a change in the force.

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#775730
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Found some interesting tidbits from an Hungarian interview with Adam Driver's stunt-double; Toth Gyuala. The weirdest reference was in a The Mirror summary article which makes a reference to Toth having filmed "many of Driver's lightsaber battles." As far as the rumours that we have read so far, isn't Luke the only one people have suspected will appear in a duel With Ren? If there will be "many" lightsaber battles who would Kylo Ren be battling? There was that video some time ago that were supposedly a rehearsal for a scene where Kylo Ren fought several Jedi students. It was denied that it was SW related, but maybe we will at least see something similar regardless. Of course all this could just be a mistake by The Mirror writer.

More cryptically when asked if TFA would have PT-style duels or OT-style duels he simply said: "I can tell that it is not by chance that the title is The Force Awakens, the lightsabers will have a major role."

At least when asked about the use of practical effects and real sets he was much more specific:
"I think 70 percent of the scenery was actually built and could be touched." "Abrams really feels what the fans didn't like in the Prequels. He strove to capture the IV.V.VI. atmosphere. During filming, he worked through the tools of the old trilogy, and only marginally used the technology at present. In Abrams's film we can see sparkling effects if anyone shoots ray gun fire at something like a long time ago. And it is really good that he really made these sparks on the set."

Full interview:
http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/06/interview-with-adam-drivers-stunt-double.html

The Mirror article:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-wars-force-awakens-stunt-5860720

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ZkinandBonez said:

ATMachine said:

To be precise, Mace Windy was the Jedi Master who mentored the narrator of the unfinished 1973 Journal of the Whills fragment, the apprentice Chuiee Two (CJ) Thorpe.

In his 1983 book Skywalking, Dale Pollock (who got a lot of things in the early SW drafts extremely confused overall) mis-typed the character's name as "Mace Windu," and GL adopted this latter spelling for TPM.

"This is the story of Mace Windy, a reviered Jedi-bendu of Ophuchi, as related to us by CJ Thorpe, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi."
The opening of Lucas' handwritten "idea fragment" that became SW.

It's weird to think about the fact that the OT could have been about a man called Mace Windy and his padawaan (two a's) CJ Thorpe. I can't help but appreciate how much work went into revising this first movie idea. He apparently re-wrote it for three whole years. Not to mention that it kind of gives us some insight into what went wrong with Lucas' writing in the PT. I think it's safe to assume that a lot less work went into it. Not to mention that ANH did have other writers polish some of Lucas' writing in the end.

http://episodenothing.blogspot.no/2013/07/the-story-of-mace-windy-how-man-who.html

To continue this line of thought; Dark Horse comics made a series out of Lucas' early ideas for "The Star Wars" a few years ago.

It's strange to think that Star Wars could have ended up looking a lot more like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh5BzH3yPrU

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#775439
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ATMachine said:

To be precise, Mace Windy was the Jedi Master who mentored the narrator of the unfinished 1973 Journal of the Whills fragment, the apprentice Chuiee Two (CJ) Thorpe.

In his 1983 book Skywalking, Dale Pollock (who got a lot of things in the early SW drafts extremely confused overall) mis-typed the character's name as "Mace Windu," and GL adopted this latter spelling for TPM.

"This is the story of Mace Windy, a reviered Jedi-bendu of Ophuchi, as related to us by CJ Thorpe, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi."
The opening of Lucas' handwritten "idea fragment" that became SW.

It's weird to think about the fact that the OT could have been about a man called Mace Windy and his padawaan (two a's) CJ Thorpe. I can't help but appreciate how much work went into revising this first movie idea. He apparently re-wrote it for three whole years. Not to mention that it kind of gives us some insight into what went wrong with Lucas' writing in the PT. I think it's safe to assume that a lot less work went into it. Not to mention that ANH did have other writers polish some of Lucas' writing in the end.

http://episodenothing.blogspot.no/2013/07/the-story-of-mace-windy-how-man-who.html

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TV's Frink said:

timdiggerm said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said: 

Someone should make a list of PT elements that Lucas borrowed from the EU. The multi-coloured lightsabers already seems to have been in the EU first, and so does several aliens (Dexter from ATOC is apparently based of an alien from SW Droids) so it seems like it would be quite a long list. 

The double-bladed lightsaber and Aayla Secura would definitely have to go on the list. 

The name "Coruscant" rather famously

 Pretty sure that was in an early Star Wars draft.

 The planet, yes, but not the actual name. That was made by Timothy Zahn (author of the Thrawn trilogy).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant#Coruscant_chosen_for_the_films

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant#Behind_the_scenes

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I was just watching a few scenes from ANH to waste some time when I noticed this thing in the background of Mos Eisley which looks very similar to the engine we saw behind BB-8 in the TFA trailer. I just thought it was kind of funny since the there's so many articles and videos circulation the web right now where everyone insists that it's actually a pod-racer engine. I guess everyone's just paranoid about there being the slightest of references to the PT.

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John Doom said:

I just wanted to quote Obi-wan's joke about Windu, sorry I didn't make it clear.

Anyway, that trailer is from Detours, a show that was in development before Star Wars' acquisition, and was actually cancelled by Disney to develop Rebels :D

 Right, my bad. I guess it's not really in Disney's best interest to make fun of the franchise they've just acquired.

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SilverWook said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said: 


I also find it especially funny now when a lot of people are now criticizing Disney's decision to make several Anthology films. Someone should remind them that they made Ewok films back in the 80's and that no-one have really given a damn about it in the past 30 years.

Hmm ... This makes me wonder if the Ewok films'll be rebranded Anthology films in future releases. 

 I want them to make a third one where Mace, (the other one) is actually still alive, and had gone all Col. Kurtz with the Duloks.

Hang on a minute. The name Mace originally comes from the Ewok movies?
Someone should make a list of PT elements that Lucas borrowed from the EU. The multi-coloured lightsabers already seems to have been in the EU first, and so does several aliens (Dexter from ATOC is apparently based of an alien from SW Droids) so it seems like it would be quite a long list. 

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SilverWook said:

Wicket could be the senator from Endor or something. Maybe he reunited with Cindel, and they're happily married now? ;)

Lol, I had to google who Cindel was. I find it so weird that they actually made two Ewok movies back in the 80's.

I also find it especially funny now when a lot of people are now criticizing Disney's decision to make several Anthology films. Someone should remind them that they made Ewok films back in the 80's and that no-one have really given a damn about it in the past 30 years. Sure a Boba Fett is of a very different caliber, but decades from now I don't think anyone is going to take it any more serious then The Clone Wars or the SW Rebels series.