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#303734
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Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
Good to hear you still watch my edits. I actually prefer my extended edit over any official cuts now.


Me too. I actually put both discs in my Ultimate Edition box and packed the originals away!!

It is a shame about the alternate intro and the faerie dance. I still keep hoping that someone will one day uncover those elements in a vault somewhere. To me, they're the holy grail of lost footage.

Good to hear about the sound upgrade. Was that your doing, or someone elses?

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#303649
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Hey, LeoneNut

Sean has posted an entry on his Legend FAQ about your 2 extended editions.
Very informative, details exactly all the steps you took.
I still can't thank you enough for the great job you did.
I've watched both versions numerous times, (Ver1 with friends, Ver2 by myself),
and it still amazes how seamless the inserts are.

Anyway, check out the faq entry:

http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/director9.html
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#303541
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Info: What is your dream fan edit if you could get the rare footage?
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1. Once upon a time in America. Apparently the 4 hour cut is still incomplete. There's at least another half hour of footage kept by the Leone family.

2. Dune - The legendary 6 hour cut. Or just a Lynch approved extended edition.

4. Godfather 1 and 2 with all the deleted footage reinserted.

5. Legend - The faerie dance sequence - all we have is the audio and storyboards.

6. Welle's original cut of Lady from Shanghai and his Don Quixote project - apparently there's tons of footage in various parts of the world.

7. The original intro of Sunset Blvd with the corpses conversing in the morgue.

8. Metropolis - Lang's original 3 hour cut.
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#285373
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I received my discs on Tuesday. Thanx, Leone Nut. Finished watching Ver2 yesterday.
Wow, it's exactly how I always imagined it. All the scenes I've always missed are now there:
Jack talking to the bird, the Alicorn being cut off, the black apple at the dining table, the restoring of the Alicorn etc, etc.
All there, all slotted in perfectly, no distractions. A person that doesn't know this movie as well as we do won't even notice
that shots have been inserted. Some insertions even cought me out, and I know this movie backwards. Well done, Excellent job.

The alternate intro looks great; the way you edited the scene around the credits works like a charm. Excellent editing.
It was so cool seeing all these ideas that have been going around in my head, displayed on the screen.
A pleasant surprise was hearing Tim Curry's voice on those last 2 lines. I had meant to mention that it might work but never did.
I'm so happy you did it anyway.

The faerie dance looks great, that footage from the featurette was inserted well, and I like how you were able to cut out most of the equipment and crew.
Must have been a hell of a job configuring the scene to 2.35:1

Anyway, I love what you've done and I am over the moon. Legend is now as close to what it should have been, as is possible with existing footage.

All Legend fans owe you a debt of gratitude.

Thank you so much.
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#266430
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Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
ZakDrizzt - Did you find anything in the end?

No, nothing. Spent ages going through that Thief & Cobbler thread. (It's massive, biggest thread in this section) Found the posts of Faceman, but looks like he just did some tests for OCPmovie, then disappeared, just stopped posting. Nothing about what software he used.

Originally posted by: LeoneNut
I tried various things to improve the Intro footage, one especially called RemoveGrain. But my results usually resulted losing too much detail. I don't think there is much more I can do with this to be honest.
It will look out of place with the pristine footage, but will be like a workprint version anyway.

Version 2 was always gonna be a workprint because of the state of the Faerie dance, so it's cool. Did you do those re-edits we discussed to get the titles back in?

Originally posted by: LeoneNut
Haven't touched this for a couple of days, but am close to finishing Version 1. I need to sort out problems with the music in a few places, the extra shot of Lili and the gown merging, the shot of Jack whistling to the bird, and some more places I forget.
It's very hard to extend a scene by one or two shots, then somehow make the music flow without moving sound effects or dialogue out of place. Editing the video has been so much easier.


That's the reason I didn't attempt this myself. I might have battled my way through the video, but the audio? No chance!

Originally posted by: LeoneNut
Three changes I have made are open for discussion:
1) The shot of Lili kissing Jack "Are you afraid to kiss me?" uses the AC version which is slightly longer and shot with the camera a little further away. I can see no difference between this and the DC version as Jack doesn't respond to Lili in exactly the same way.
The reason for the change is this shot follows on from Lili bending down and saying "I'm sorry" much better.

2) Blunder's line "Adios Amigos" has been removed and an extended scream inserted. It was starting to irritate me as much as it does for other people

3) There is an odd flip dissolve between Lili and the Unicorn being captured, and Jack, Gump & Screwball finding Brown Tom unconscious. Sean pointed this out to me, and I agree with him that it seems out of place. This has been replaced with a more normal fade out/fade in to denote passing time.


1) Even in the AC, there seems to be a distracting jump cut in that scene. Use whatever makes the scene flow better. I know you're reluctant to cut out anything from the DC, but in this case it's just a different camera angle, the content is still there.

[Edit] I went and had a look at this scene. What a mess those guys did with the AC. You can tell they had lost control and were just snipping haphazardly as they went. The extra footage cuts off so abruptly when Lilly says 'Jack, I'm sorry' and this causes her lips to be out of sync when she says 'Are you afraid to kiss me?'. The DC works much better, but for the missing footage. I'm not sure what to do here. I think I would add the extra footage but keep the DC 'Are you afraid to kiss me". It's a difficult one; the only other option is not using the extra footage, but I kinda like her 'Jack, I'm sorry'.

2) Yes!!! Hate that line, good call.

3) Good idea, that weird Star Wars dissolve stuck out like a sore thumb.


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#265829
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Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
The Alternate Intro footage is interesting because it isn't quite 2.35:1, I may crop off a little from the top and bottom or add small black bars to the sides. I tried cleaning this up, but isn't much of an improvement unfortunately.


Last year when I was following the Thief and the Cobbler thread, I remember a guy called Faceman that did some amazing stuff for OCPmovie. He took the workprint of Thief and cleaned it up. The comparison shots were incredible. Gonna search that thread to see if I can find what software he used.

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#265799
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut The Faerie Dance may get a little trickier, I will need to crop, add letterboxing and anamorphise. Some parts may have to be cropped just a little differently though.
Will be using DGIndex, an AVISynth script and TMPGEnc to do these fiddly bits.


Those panning shots of photographs; they work quite well, maybe insert them in a 2.35 frame with black bars on the sides. Not sure how that will look. As for the featurette footage, there's a fiddle solo towards the end of the scene where that could be inserted quite nicely, as the footage is basically just Gump playing his fiddle. Have you tried cutting out the storyboards yet, and using them as a full 2.35 picture?
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#265795
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
LeoneNut proudly presents a preview of what is to come

Restoring the Alicorn Scene


Yes!!!!! Brilliant, it works, I always knew it would work. To finally see that scene with Goldsmith music is pure bliss.
I like where you've inserted it. I had always imagined it interspersed with the finding the ring scene, like the AC has it, but your way works better. The sun rises, summer returns, because the Alicorn is restored, not because the ring was found. I like that, gives priority to the Unicorn story, as opposed to the Lily story. As it should be.
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#265446
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
Looks like it will be quite complicated to edit.

I haven't done a proper comparison of the shots in the title sequence and the alternate intro.
I have a feeling it might mess up the order and pace of the credits, if I use the exact shots.
You're right though, most of the titles are over forest and animal shots, and the alternate intro could be changed to be like this.

Why not use the DC intro verbatim right up to and including the credit of Asheton Gorton. Use that to replace everything in the alternate intro up to the first shot of Blunder walking through the stream. The only shot that would have to be edited out would be the close up of Blix's boots which is only shown later. The rest is mainly replacing all the Blix shots minus the 2 tree shots, which you could slot in later at the tree entrance. I'm saying this from memory as I'm at work and only have the EC on my machine. I'll look at it in depth when I get home.

Originally posted by: LeoneNut

I watched my edit last night checking for problems and have re-edited some parts of the movie.
I mistakenly put the black apple/glass filling scene in the wrong place. I also removed a couple of redundant shots I had added. I have however added back two shots of the cook and the demonic cherub things from the AC intro. Makes Screwball's reaction more understandable, when he decides not to stay and follow the others.


Cool, use as much extra AC footage as you can make work.

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#265409
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Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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You could probably keep most of the titles. It would mean editing the alternate intro.

Most of the initial credits are shown over forest animals and forest locations. You could use them in the alternate intro as some of them are already there, maybe just different shots.

Then we would see the initial Blunder shots from the alternate intro. He meets Blix and co etc.

Then when we get those shots of Blix stalking the lights we would go back to credits footage. Most of those shots are used in the credits, but in different positions. You'd also benefit from the better quality Blix shots. The timing between the different credits wouldn't be consistent, but it would be better than not having them at all.

The only 2 credits you'd have to lose would be Hjortsberg's and Scott's as those 2 are transposed over the giant tree, which isn't shown in the alternate intro. Unless you use those 2 shots just before they walk into the tree, after all the galloping shots.

It's your call, but with some nifty editing, it could be done.
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#265234
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Sounds great. Are you going to change the aspect ratio of the Faerie dance too? The storyboard cards look 2.35:1. Maybe you can cut out the borders and just use the actual cards, or is that too difficult to do? That footage in the featurette is pretty cool, maybe if you try and match it to 2.35:1, you can cut out some of the crew at the bottom.

A couple of seconds of Tangerine Dream score here and there won't be very noticeable. The dialogue is what's important.

About the dialogue in the alternate intro; is there any software out there that can manipulate audio; it would be really cool if you could match Darkness' voice to Tim Curry's, and make the Goblin's more audible.

This is gonna be so cool, can't wait!

[Edit] If you're struggling to get the soundtrack, I can help out by buying it from Amazon or something, and shipping it to you. Let me know. I'd really like to contribute something to this project.
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#264996
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Guys, I didn't mean to throw the cat among the pigeons. Sean, you're right, LeoneNut is putting in the effort and hard work, he should get to decide. I can live with all those dialogue issues. LeoneNut, if you do version1 and version2, I'll still be over the moon! Just to be able to see the Alicorn restored at the end is already making me drool! Thanx for doing this!
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#264848
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I see how you can be weary of stepping on Ridley's toes, but then again, you are putting back scenes which he decided to leave out. I think what we're trying to do here is create the best and most complete version of Legend possible. Face it, as much as we love this movie, it's heavily flawed. But the potential is there. Changing dialogue here and there, if it's gonna benefit the movie, I don't see a problem. Maybe a vote is the way to go, as you suggested. We've also got Sean 'figmentfly' keen on this project; what does he think? No one's better equipped than him, seeing as he's been campaigning for an ultimate Legend longer than any of us.

Also, remember that the 'Director's Cut' was released on DVD as found. Ridley never actually got to edit it again. Maybe he cringes at 'Adios Amigos' too.
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#264615
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Thanx LeoneNut.

I'm thrilled you're doing this. I really wouldn't have had a clue. I see you found a whole lot of extra stuff; I think Sean's breakdown was a great help.

2 versions is really the only way to go. Are you going to put some sort of branching method to watch either version? I really think that the 4 Goblins intro and Faerie dance is essential.

As cool as that Darkness/Blix intro is, it just doesn't work as well as the 4 Goblins intro. Also Darkness' siloloquie 'I require the solace of the night, etc' is repeated to Lily at the dinner table. It also sets up the 'entrance to the tree and Giant Horn' very nicely. Are you going to try clean it up a bit, maybe use as many shots from the existing versions as you can? There's quite a bit of Blix you can use, and most of the credit sequence should still fit. Can you do anything with Darkness' voice, to try and match it to Tim Curry's?

The Faerie dance is referred to so often in the movie, that you really need it there, even in it's raw state. ( Adds more menace to Gump's 'Then it's your death song I'll be playing' and explains the toast ' Dancing Fool'. Oona also mentions it in Darkness' lair; 'I could vex you, dance your life away'. There's abot 30 seconds of footage in the featurette showing the crew filming Gump playing his fiddle during the Faerie Dance. You think you could use this? It's just after Ridley mentions the fire at the Bond stage.

I always wondered if all those shots of restoring the Alicorn would work as a full sequence, not intercut with Jack in the pool. Should be quite cool to see.

Anyway, good luck and hope you get the music cues you need.

PS: What do you think of Screwball's line in Darkness' Lair 'It's Faerie magic' when Oona's secret is revealed? Never worked for me, I mean, Screwball should be quite familiar with Faerie Magic, being a Faerie himself.

Edit: There's also that scream of Lili's when she looks down at the pool after Jack dives off the cliff. Doesn't make sense why she's screaming. She's actually supposed to be seeing the Pool freeze over, but we don't see that. Could you manipulate that scene a bit? I think there's a shot later where you see a half frozen over pool. Maybe bring that shot back to just before Lili's scream?