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#71216
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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Bizzle, my point was just that, try as I might, it will be hard for me (and possibly for others) to see each prequel as entities that are independent of one another. Even if I think ROTS is 100% fantastic, it's still part of a larger whole which, for me, will still be 2/3 garbage. I'm not talking myself out of liking something I like, I'm just trying to explain, to you, how it might be reasonable for someone to have bittersweet feelings even if they think ROTS is awesome.

Oh, and sorry for lumping you in with Jimbo.

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#71176
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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Bizzle, I find you to be somewhat of a hypocrit. You criticize us for criticizing others, and for being too 'black and white'. By saying someone has an extreme stance and that a more moderate approach should be taken, you are in fact starting a 'black and white' argument. You are saying you are right and the other is wrong.


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Your sports analogy isn't a very good one, either. Let's stick to movies.



My sports analogy was quite sound, in fact. But just for you, I'll go with with your Michael Bay example, which I find flawed. For me, a sports season, or a movie frachise, is where one thing builds on the other. The overall quality of the individual events may fluctuate, but the events are still connected, like it or not, and there is an overall goal . The Rock doesn't pick up where Bad Boys left off. I don't see the PT this way. The prequels, by their very nature, are intended to be one big story, at least to me. Which leads to...

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If I don't like a couple movies by a director, and then I watch one that's good--Why should I hold those other two movies against the one I enjoyed? Why should I completely dilute and sabotage the fun time I had with the GOOD movie just so I can maintain my grump status? What's the point of that? Where's the logic in watching a movie, liking it, and then having to convince myself it's bad by way of bringing up the directors past movies in a way to belittle the enjoyment I just had?


I commend you on this. Honestly. I guess I just don't have the discipline to seperate things that I find to be intrinsically related. I'm not saying that any time a movie has a crappy sequel, that I have to write off ALL movies in the franchise. I literally wouldn't have anything to watch. However, I believe there's a difference between the the initial movie in a franchise being the good and the subsequent ones sucking than vice versa. For me, it's much easier to handle disappointment after the success of the initial movie than the other way around. I can remember the feeling and the fun I had the first time, and especially the fact that at the time something was made, the sky was the limit. Not to mention I hadn't tasted the disappointment yet. It will be hard to watch Anakin in Ep III (if in fact I see it) and say, "He's the baddest ass Jedi ever" when automatically I think of him saying corny shit to Padme by a fire, losing his lightsaber a few times, and whining incessantly. But maybe you are right, and I may need to condition myself into seperating things.

Again, I commend guys like you, and even Jimbo. I would much rather enjoy something than whine about it, but it's just my nature to observe and analyze things the way I do. If that means I'm seen as 'cynical' so be it.
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#71122
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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Yeah, but that's your bad. If you're going to let a permanently sour outlook mar what you just admitted would be a "Balls out fantastic" movie then that's not the movie's fault, that's your inability to take the movie for what it is and find an excuse to justify your disappointment in the previous two movies. Sure, you could blame the filmmakers for your sour outlook on the previous movies, but that's a weak excuse to write off a completely new movie and then dismiss it's triumphs by then going "Well, what about these other two?"

As opposed to the other option of being in denial then, right? Also, by that logic, say my favorite sports team (i.e. the Cubs) who are loaded with talent but have had by all accounts a terrible, disappointing season, and miss the playoffs, but then happen to win their last game. I should just forget about the first 161 games and take solace in their final, albeit meaningless win??


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And I don't think it's at all provable to say audiences now are more retarded and braindead than audiences prior.





While audiences may not be "more retardeder" now than ever before, they definitely have gotten younger. Look what movies make the most money these days. And the gap is widening.


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It's also weird that people who tend to list as their favorite movies popcorn flicks, fantasy flicks and mostly thin, fast moving action adventures are the one pulling this "artistic integrity in the audience" card. I'd buy it a bit more if it was a board dedicated to Godard or Truffaut or Fellini, but on a Star Wars board, the above complaint seems to come off as a little ironic.


I think that's a broad generalization. And we're not talking about Independence Day, we are talking about the OT, which is far from mediocre 'popcorn fluff'. For me it's filmmaking at its best. Sure some stuffed shirt could call me silly for thinking that, but I don't care. To hold the prequels to the standard set by the originals, only to be subsequently disappointed by their crappiness is only natural, not to mention reasonable.
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#70945
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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Interpret this anyway you want, as it is just an analogy, but if 10 million people find the idea of eating feces to be absolutely disgusting, while one person thinks it's great, is that one person's opinion as valid as everyone else's?

Anyway, I see Lucasfilm focusing the vast majority of the marketing hype on the Anakin/Vader deal. It's obviously the single biggest element this movie has going for it, and perhaps if they hype it enough it will distract enough people from wondering how crappy the rest of the movie will be.
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#70658
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Lack of humanity in prequels?
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This may sound silly, but one of my main complaints about the PT is the lack of not just actors, but human beings. It seems that GL has consciously decided to make the PT galaxy a much more diverse one, as opposed to the human-centric one in the OT, which is somewhat understandable. However, at least for me, something gets lost along the way. Perhaps it's harder to relate to non-human characters? Or perhaps there are SO many 'aliens' that their overall impact is watered down?

Anyway, what do you prefer? Do think the SW universe should be a human one, with a random 'alien' thrown in here and there for good measure? Or do you prefer a more fantasy oriented universe with a wide variety of creatures and races? Would it help if they kept the large amount of aliens in the PT, but instead made the bad guys (battle droids, Geonosians) human (MPAA-rating not withstanding)?
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#70188
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Are we wasting our lives?
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I'm not trying to sound like a hardass, but I used to have some rather bad habits. So in my case, and I'm 26, I see watching sci-fi, talking on the internet, playing video games, ect as far healthier enterprises than what I have done and could still be doing. I know that the original question is, by being such avid sci-fi lovers/geeks, are we in fact wasting time that could be used for building inter-personal relationships and enjoying the 'outside' world? For me at least, a little bit of that stuff goes a long way. So if people think I "need to get a life" that's fine, but I'm pretty happy and pretty proud of myself.
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#69524
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OT.com is so loved....
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I think he was just stating his opinion about how people (in general) who are passive to the point that they gladly accept (even with their acknowledgement) sub-standard goods/treatment because they for some reason see no point in asserting themselves contradicts his personal philosophy. I didn't see any outright personal flaming.
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#69519
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Aliens DVD
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OK, BOTTOM LINE: is the 'newest' release of AlienS DVD better transfer-wise than the previously released SE?? Sorry to be so blunt, but I asked this in a previous thread, and got mixed answers, similiar to this thread.

If you have both, by all means pop'em in and tell us!!
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#68970
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OT.com is so loved....
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I welcome differences of opinion here. Recently, I have gone on and on to a friend of mine about how pathetic I think the SW universe has become. He simply replied, "I know it sucks. It sucks! But I like the prequels, and enjoy the the SE's. Would it really make you feel better if you ruined that for me??"

And he's absolutely right. So be it.

But Figrin_Dan is absolutely right. By definition, this site is pro-original version. That's undisputable. So if there happens to be Lucas-bashing and pessimism, I think that's to be expected, not to mention tolerated. It's just par for the course.

and this quote...

there are a lot of people here who need to learn to be content with what we do have.


is the antithesis of tolerance. It's saying one side is right and the other is wrong. Lame.
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#68737
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Star Wars T.V. 2006! Kevin Smith wanted?
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Thank you, Bossk. That's what I was thinking too, that there'd be a set team of writers that would come up with the general framework of the story, characters, ect - but then each director would get to do their own episode within that framework. I guess sort of like Amazing Stories, but with a lot more continuity. I'm sure that Star Wars is huge enough commodity that virtually anyone would jump at the chance to direct an episode, and on the other side, what's better than having a big name like Kevin Smith onboard? - having multiple big names onboard!
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#68645
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Star Wars T.V. 2006! Kevin Smith wanted?
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Similiar to what some other shows in the past did, what if there wasn't just 'one' person running the entire season? What if each episode had a new guy with a different perspective and style. Like Kevin Smith would get an episode, and then Spielberg gets one, then Robert Rodriguez gets one, then the Alias guy gets one, ect. ect. Anyway, just a thought, albeit a possibly dumb one.
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#68429
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Blade Runner DVD
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I've been following the Blade Runner DVD saga for the past few years. Apparently Warner Bros is working on the special edition (as opposed to just talking about it), but it most likely will only contain the already-released Director's Cut, with a cleaned up transfer, and a few extras like a BBC documentary. I too prefer the Director's Cut, but would like the theatrical as well, ya know? While I doubt the 'legal' difficulties will be worked out any time soon (thank you Mr Jerry Perenchio ) I don't think the door is totally shut. I just watched the theatrical version on Spike TV a few weeks ago, so it's not like it "doesn't exist anymore". Plus the current Blade Runner is one of the crappiest dvds out there, so, I for one, will gladly accept the new one.