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#1513162
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Is Bail Organa secretly an absolute idiot?
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I hope the topic title doesn’t get me in trouble around here, but please, hear me out.

It has been shown time and time again in various media, that Bail Organa’s heart is very much in the right place, but what about his head? Some of the content that came out this year seems to raise serious concerns.

In chronological order, the first major culprit is Resolve, the final episode of the Tales of the Jedi animated miniseries. If you look at its events strictly from the imperial perspective, Bail’s actions seem very careless. First the Empire receive a report of a suspected Jedi presence on Mon-Hella. They send out an inquisitor, who goes missing. Some time later senator Organa, a known Jedi sympathiser, just lands there with his flagship to do whatever.

The Obi-Wan Kenobi series depict several instances of Bail acting extremely foolishly, with his ill-advised phone call to Obi-Wan in Episode 5 being perhaps the main offender. But in context of the larger continuity, it goes deeper than that. The Rebels show previously established, that it was senator Organa, who confirmed Kenobi being killed (which in itself seems very suspicious and at the very least Reva wasn’t too convinced). But then the Empire officially finds out that Kenobi was indeed alive as late as 9 BBY, which really makes it seem like they should have some questions for the impetuous senator.

I realize these discrepancies are more than likely the result of flawed writing and Bail is not really meant to be stupid, but now I kinda want Andor Season 2 to make a plot point of Luthen refusing to work with Bail Organa because of the massive bullseye that man managed to paint on his own back. It also doesn’t reflect all too well on Tarkin, who really should have taken Bail in for questioning before ordering his planet to be destroyed.

What do you guys think? Is this something that could somehow be worked into the actual canon, either by establishing Bail as a very unreliable ally or perhaps making his actions somehow make sense, or is this not an issue that needs to be addressed in any way?

Also, as a side-note, according to the currently available canon, Bail doesn’t inform Ahsoka nor Obi-Wan of each other’s being still around, despite being in contact with both of them. I can kinda see him wanting to keep Obi-Wan an absolute secret and until this year, we could just assume he didn’t speak with Kenobi after the events of ROTS to even have a chance to mention Ahsoka to him. But then again, we could still somehow find out that Kenobi was actually well-aware of Ahsoka’s survival.

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#1512999
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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yotsuya said:

Wexter said:

yotsuya said:

Wexter said:

yotsuya said:

Nice background, but we can see why those scenes were cut from ROTS.

What the hell are you talking about?

The political stuff on Coruscant. None of it adds to Cassian’s journey.

None of it was cut from ROTS though.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but this is baffling to me. Mon Mothma’s storyline intersected with several other characters, including Luthen, Vel and the ISB. It is clearly meant to collide with Andor’s journey in the second season.

You haven’t watched the ROTS deleted scenes recently, have you.

Of course I have. But if you mean to suggest those were cut because of Genevieve O’Reilly’s performance, then that’s both asinine and factually wrong. And apart from being set on Coruscant, those scenes have very little in common with what’s in Andor.

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#1512983
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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yotsuya said:

Wexter said:

yotsuya said:

Nice background, but we can see why those scenes were cut from ROTS.

What the hell are you talking about?

The political stuff on Coruscant. None of it adds to Cassian’s journey.

None of it was cut from ROTS though.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but this is baffling to me. Mon Mothma’s storyline intersected with several other characters, including Luthen, Vel and the ISB. It is clearly meant to collide with Andor’s journey in the second season.

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#1509352
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What changes would you make to the Prequels?
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Yoda doesn’t appear at all, but is talked about a lot, being a living legend with unknown current whereabouts. Obi-Wan is kind of a big deal in the Jedi order as he has been trained by Yoda himself. Anakin and Obi-Wan may actually only be supporting characters in this story to preserve the surprise reveals of the OT. Obi-Wan takes multiple apprentices during the prequel trilogy.

At least three decades separate the Clone Wars from the OT and it is actually the bad guys who start with the cloning, creating themselves an army of mutants of all shapes and sizes to combat the Republic and its Jedi. The Clone Wars is actually a series of conflicts, not just one war.

Cloning, especially for military purposes, is generally considered unethical. However, chancellor Palpatine shows a remarkable interest in the technology. Shortly after the discovery of his own DNA in a cloning laboratory on enemy territory – which proves to the Jedi he has been orchestrating the war all along – he manipulates most of the Republic military into turning against the Jedi and declares himself the Emperor. All (or nearly all) of the cloning facilities are however destroyed during this period. Palpatine’s possible Force-sensitivity is suggested, but is never confirmed.

Most of the antagonist figureheads – some of whom are Force-sensitive – are interested in the cloning technology as a means to achieve immortality. Others are however motivated mostly by ideology or greed.

The Jedi are not celibate monks and they don’t wear Tatooine hermit robes. Leia’s mother doesn’t die immediately after giving birth. No Boba Fett origin story and no Chewbacca. The Jedi are very much present throughout the prequels, but many of the main characters are not Force-users – there’s the military, politicians, and common people of many different trades and convictions. Bail Organa plays a prominent role.

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#1508454
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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This show could have been called Mon Mothma. Genevieve O’Reilly is absolutely terrific in this. All of the performances are actually as good as anything in live-action Star Wars. And while it could probably benefit from some trimming, I really dig the storytelling. Reminds me of the 90s pre-PT X-Wing book series for some reason.

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#1503265
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LOTR: The Rings of Power Spoiler Thread
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Maybe if every basement dweller in the world didn’t feel the need to create butthurt videos about supposed “woke agenda” in a series some of them didn’t even watch, this strategy wouldn’t work. Hollywood knows well enough that by taking certain creative decisions – ones that are provocative, but hardly shocking in this day and age – they can easily get so much free publicity. If you don’t want them to succeed, you might just listen to your previous impulse and leave “The Rings of Power Spoiler Thread” to go get offended at a trailer somewhere. There is really no need to push your agenda down anybody’s throat 😉

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#1503232
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LOTR: The Rings of Power Spoiler Thread
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TheHutt70 said:

stupid agenda rammed down my throat

To be honest, when this series was first announced and details started to surface, I was expecting exactly that. But so far, this series is a pleasant surprise. The only “woke agenda” elements I can really see and acknowledge are these two:

  1. Having a somewhat greater number of lead female characters than most Tolkien works.
  2. Casting minority actors into roles that would traditionally be portrayed by white actors.

Either of these two don’t offend me in any way, on the contrary.

I have no problem believing that Middle Earth thousands of years into the past would have been a different place in many ways. I think this show gets it right where it counts.

It’s pretty clear that it is created by people who know and greatly respect the source material, even if they are only allowed to use its basic outline. The characters, both old and new, are likeable and well portrayed, the cinematography is amazing and the storytelling actually manages to feel very “Tolkienesque”. If keep this up, at worst this could turn out to be one of the greatest fan-fictions of all time. I say bring it on.

And I think there’s really no need to try to get people not to enjoy The Rings of Power – or any other show, I guess – for what it is.

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#1489669
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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What is it with half the development happening off-screen?

Reva somehow survives and she is suddenly on Tatooine. She inquires about Owen and the scene cuts. Next thing we see the merchant is warning Owen about her.

The Empire doesn’t resume their pursuit and Roken’s ship makes it to safety. Why don’t we see it but apparently that’s what happens.

Reva is left broken and wounded among the dunes. What happens with her? I guess we find out in Season 2.

Vader makes it out of the planet (simply because Kenobi didn’t finish him off AGAIN) and gets his suit fixed off-screen.

Ben is about to get what could be a meaningful scene with young Luke, but nope, we cut away.

Oh and Qui-Gon finally shows up! Will he share some great wisdom with Ben and the audience? Nope, the show ends.

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#1487744
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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The sheer incompetence of the bad guys in this is really baffling. The scene with Tala whispering into her comlink in a room full of imperials felt almost like a parody. And then when the troopers overhear Obi-Wan’s radio, they just aim into an empty corridor, completely ignoring a huge hole in the wall just two meters to the left. The escape at the end of the episode also felt very un-earned.

RIP Wade, though. We barely knew him but it was delivered asi if we were really supposed to care.

Leia is great and Ben ain’t too bad either. Other than that I don’t really see what’s the point of this show.

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#1405220
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The Clone Wars: Refocused (v1.5) [100%] - All core episodes COMPLETE! + Thoughts on the new TALES OF THE JEDI
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Very nice job on that Domino Squad episode! Some early notes from me:

  • Just before we go to the crawl, there is a fade to black which I think could use some retiming. As it is, it fades slowly and we get just a brief glimpse of El-Les before going completely dark. This feels off. I suggest either fading earlier or later.
  • Someone already suggested dropping that brief scene with Shaak Ti and Lama Su. I think it doesn’t really add too much and it might be better to keep the focus on the clones.
  • When the clones escape the base, the droids report four clones having escaped. However, when we next meet the group, only three are present. This should probably be addressed in some way.
  • The reunion scene with 99 could also use some trimming. Echo mentions the generals receiving word of an impending attack, which seems a bit odd considering they themselves witnessed the separatist fleet moving in. Not sure what the options here are, though.

These are all fairly minor nitpicks. I think you managed to craft the three episodes into a solid narrative.

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#1404943
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Anyone else dislike Rogue One? I feel like the only person.
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For me it is the best Disney era film, but it’s not like the bar is super high.

I really want to know how the film went before the reshoots. Sure, maybe it wasn’t working, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest the original script provided much better characterisation for at least Jyn and Bodhi. Also, the Saw Gerrera scenes from the reshoots are really messy. After they leave Jedha, the film gets much better and the finale is pretty great.

I agree, however, that making the reactor shaft an inside job was a bad call.

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#1404318
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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It means different things for different characters. Obviously the common thread is that there was never any sort of character arc for any of the key players. Things set up in one film were abandoned or outright negated in the next. Luke, Rey and Snoke tend to be most often mentioned when it comes to this, but really it is true across the board.

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#1404266
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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I don’t find it strange at all that people would prefer heroic Luke over failed and depressed Luke. What I think is a bit unfair is that people tend to put the blame squarely on TLJ and Rian Johnson, when in fact it was TFA that established that Luke ran away when the galaxy needed him the most. Even though I’m not a fan of Johnson’s treatment of Luke, I’m not sure I could have done it much better in his shoes.

In my opinion the entire ST treated pretty much all of its characters – both old and new – absolutely shamefully.

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#1400516
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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RicOlie_2 said:

Knight of Kalee said:

I agree that season 2 in general improved on the strengths of the first series, though I’ll conceed some of the new faces or references to the lore could became a bit overwhelming for those who hadn’t kept up with all of the Star Wars content (particularly Filoni’s previous animated works). One of the things I liked the most about season 1 was that even someone who grasps only the basic stuff about SW could enjoy the series. Season 2 isn’t as newcomer-friendly in that regard. However, now that the parallel spin-offs (Boba, Ahsoka, etc.) have been properly set-up, the upcoming third season can go back to a more self-contained narrative, even if it’s bigger in scale.

I don’t think it’s confusing for newcomers, just less exciting. I haven’t seen seasons 5-7 of the Clone Wars, so Bo-Katan was just a new character for me, and it worked. And I don’t really know what Ahsoka’s been up to since season 4, aside from the occasional spoiler I’ve had the misfortune to read recently.

Dude, you literally stopped watching The Clone Wars just as it’s getting really good. You need to catch up on that.

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#1399895
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'Star Wars: <strong>The High Republic</strong>' era publishing project (was aka 'Project Luminous')
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Rodney-2187 said:

I can’t believe how well planned all of it sounds. I know they’ve been working on it for years, but it sound like they have so much mapped out. There’s a ton of concept art too and it all looks amazing. I’m all in on this.

Yeah, the amount of planning is pretty impressive. The authors have a clear idea about the state of the galaxy in this era. The characters seem promising as well. Almost looks like Lucasfilm is learning from their past mistakes. I’m cautiously optimistic and definitely will give this a chance.

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#1399523
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Dr. Krogshöj said:

Having finished the new season, I am very disappointed. Season 1 in my opinion was MILES better.

Season 1 was an entertaining space Western series with with a simple main story of a traditional masculine warrior archetype developing paternal feelings for a child, complemented by some fun self-contained side quests. It offered a glimpse into a culture previously unexplored in Star Wars films. Its limited scope, patient pace and focus on quiet character moments instead of over-inflated set pieces and heavy-handed thematic messages made it almost unfashionably old-school and thorougly enjoyable for every audience. It was also refershingly original for a Star Wars (despite some unavoidable fan service).

Season 2 had its nice moments in the first two episodes, but then it largely succumbed into unabashed, full-time fan service with little room for anything else. Instead of introducing new, interesting characters like Kuiil, The Armorer or IG-11, the payoffs focused on the return of characters from other media. You were supposed to cheer for Ahsoka and Bo-Katan and Boba Fett turning up not because they were interesting or said interesting things but because they were familiar from The Clone Wars / the OT. It was rewarding for hardcore fans with a capital F, but that’s my problem. It was a series for the hardcore fans, not for the general audience or casual fans like Season 1 was.

I also felt that the purpose of several episodes/scenes wasn’t to tell a self-contained story or serve the arc of the season, but to set up spin-off series, which turned out to be exactly the case. This is the real Marvelization of Star Wars, which I regret, but I am aware that I am in a minority, and most fans actually want this and will enjoy the myryad upcoming series.

I think this is a fair point, however I don’t blame Lucasfilm for going this route. I also believe when season 3 eventually comes around, it will be much more in line with season 1, only with bigger stakes. Clearly with the success of season 1 they have finally found a way to keep the audiences satisfied and they want to capitalise on this direction. Season 2 set up a lot of stories going forward, but it is not sustainable to announce and introduce a dozen new projects each year.