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#1373093
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New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - Preservation Project (* unfinished - lots of info *)
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Currently watching The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh on Disney+. Most of the episodes on there are in HD and in 4:3, which is a pleasant surprise because the other remastered late '80s/'90s Walt Disney Television Animation shows are only in cropped 16:9.

I should also note, though, that some shots do appear to be slightly cropped on at least three sides of the frame compared to the SD masters (this makes for some odd framing issues) - any idea if the 16:9 crops mentioned above preserve what’s been cropped away from at least the left side?

jerryshadoe said:

From what I can tell, all English & German episodes are in stereo.

From what I can tell, most English episodes (“Pooh Oughta Be in Pictures” to “Pooh Skies”) are in mono and the rest (“To Bee or Not to Bee” to “Owl’s Well That Ends Well”) are in stereo. Have the former set of episodes been released or broadcast anywhere in stereo?

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#1368297
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Info: Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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Buster D said:

If the source was a mono film, they should be, but there are quite a few films that were mono in theaters but remixed to stereo for home video: https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/the-ultimate-list-of-mono-to-stereo-remixed-soundtracks.339481/

Quite a couple of the films on that list had certain elements (namely the music stems) recorded in stereo, but downmixed to mono for the optical soundtrack on a film strip (which was, obviously, monaural). Just saying…

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#1364601
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Idea: PINGU DESPECIALIZED - Original Cuts Restored
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This sounds like a great idea! A few things, though…

Gavinworld12 said:

-Make a Dolby Stereo mix for the episodes
-Upscale them for HD

The final mixes for the original cuts of Pingu were (presumably) mono. Are there any (and enough) efficient elements available to use for the Dolby Stereo/Surround mixes? It’d be interesting to know anything you think would benefit from a matrixed surround remix.

What resolution and frame rate do you plan to upscale to? The series was (presumably) shot/edited at a frame rate of 25p/50i.

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#1358545
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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TonyWDA said:

UPDATE: I’m thrilled to inform all of you that the magnetic stereo soundtrack has been successfully digitized. Though I’m exceedingly satisfied with the facility’s work, the soundtrack itself is, not surprisingly, in need of some patching and restorative work before it’s in a presentable state.

Plenty of ticks and pops in quieter passages that need to be removed, tons of phase problems to correct, and the right channel to an entire reel has crackling in it that’s almost impossible to ignore. I’m chalking that last one up to the age and condition of the particular reel itself, as this isn’t a problem anywhere else in the print. But I was prepared for just about anything, and even the incessant crackling can be attenuated without destroying important frequencies. Overall, the soundtrack is discrete, exceptionally well separated, and the noise is surprisingly low for an audio source of its age. There’s no signal dropout of any kind, and absolutely no wow and flutter anywhere to be heard, which is what I was most afraid of and prepared to combat. It’s a stellar, archival-grade capture that I can totally work with, and I haven’t even gotten the rest of the audio sources preserved yet. Things are looking very good so far. I’ll post comparative audio samples as soon as I am able to. Stay tuned.

That’s great - no, excellent! Can’t wait to hear whatever you post…

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#1348737
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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JacobTheMoviePurist92 said:

I’m looking forward to the finished results of the audio.😊😉😊😉

My guesses the audio options will be the new multichannel remix in 5.1 surround sound, the 1955 magnetic stereo mix in 4.0 Dolby Surround and the original mono mix in Dolby Digital lossless 1.0

I’m based in the UK🇬🇧 and i have my PAL VHS of Fantasia which has the 1990 Dolby Stereo remix.

A few things:

  • Dolby Digital is a lossy compression codec. Do you mean Dolby TrueHD (or DTS-HD Master Audio or LPCM)?
  • Fantasia’s original soundtrack was not mono; it was four (or five)-channel “Fantasound”. The film was re-released with a mono soundtrack in either 1941 or 1942.

Tony, I see you’ve called the 2000 5.0 soundtrack “insanely compressed” and said that there, the score doesn’t move around the room [“as it did before”]. Care to elaborate on that? (We already know about how messed up the 2010 7.1 soundtrack is, so I’m wondering if the 5.0 mix fares any better despite being encoded as two lossy audio tracks)

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#1340441
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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TonyWDA said:

Disney is wildly inconsistent with the A/V quality of some of their titles. The Jungle Book is another one that comes to mind. If ever you can, listen to the 1990 Dolby Stereo soundtrack; it’s noticeably more enveloping and consistently separated than the 2007 Platinum Edition mix, despite the latter being presented in discrete surround. Sound effects pan more frequently in the Dolby Stereo mix, and while the underscore for almost every song is mixed in broad mono that sounds flat as a pancake in the Platinum Edition (”Trust in Me,” “My Own Home,” and the closing “Bare Necessities” reprise being the only exceptions), you can hear separate music stems at play in the Dolby Stereo mix. The differences between 1990 and 2007 “I Wanna Be Like You” in particular are like night and day. (I’ll probably post the A/B comparison videos here soon.) So, yeah, there’s trade offs between both options— few scenes have broad mono score while most are in true stereo, and it isn’t always the same scene in both mixes.

I’ll take your word for it regarding The Jungle Book, but I personally thought that film’s discrete surround remix fared much better than that for The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Compare how the music playing over the opening credits (and a few other scenes) sound(s) on the 1996 releases with how they sound on the 2002-onward releases…it’s even more night and day than the differences between the matrix surround and discrete surround versions of “I Wanna Be Like You”.

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#1340374
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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JacobTheMoviePurist92 said:

Are you gonna have the remixed audio in 5.1 surround sound?

Are you referring to the 5.0 mix on the 2000 DVD or the half-baked 7.1 mix on the Blu-ray? I hope you’re referring to the former, because the latter is far from perfect…

(Semi off-topic here, but why does Disney insist on compressing the dynamic range on most of their early stereophonic titles? Off the top of my head, Grand Canyonscope is in mono on Disney+ (versus the much more robust Dolby Surround audio track on the Chronological Donald volume it’s on), the music stems to the first three “Winnie the Pooh” featurettes/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh surprisingly sound rather flat on the latter’s 5.1 mix on DVD and Blu-ray versus the incredibly robust stereo mix on the second VHS and LaserDisc, and of course whatever the frig went on with this film’s soundtrack…what for?)

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#1339580
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix
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So, have anybody else attempted to rip the 1996 LaserDisc and upload it online? The first poster to do so hasn’t shared us the link to their rip yet.

Also, I’ve been thinking - has anyone here attempted to create a new and improved 5.1 remix using the stereophonic score stems from the 1996 releases? It sure would beat the “broad mono” track on the 2002-onward releases…

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#1338508
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix
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simps said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

rwinger24 said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

Had a listen to this mix via some videos on both the playlist embed in the original post and an Internet Archive playlist of the same tape (unfortunately featuring only the first 20 minutes or so of the film as opposed to the YouTube playlist), and I am floored by how wide/spacious it is compared to most of the other home video releases’ audio tracks! Any idea if the opening music to Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day and the closing cues to …and the Honey Tree and …and Tigger Too were recorded in stereo, too?

If Disney can’t be bothered to use the original stereophonic stems for their multi-channel remixes, they should definitely use them for a Legacy Collection CD set of the “Winnie the Pooh” featurettes/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

It is possible that Buddy Baker’s recordings were a simple three-channel mix. As in Honey Tree was recorded in 1965/66. On 35mm magnetic track masters. The 1996 laserdisc of Many Adventures is probably the highest quality out there. The 5.1 mix doesn’t come close to it.

Very interesting! (I had a listen to the 5.1 remix (which has been Disney’s go-to audio track for this film since 2002) not so long ago, and aside from a few directional sound effects here and there, it just wasn’t the same as the Masterpiece Collection releases’ stereo surround mix. The Blu-ray apparently has a 2.0 surround track in addition to the three main English/Spanish/French 5.1 tracks, but I’m not sure if it’s the same mix as the VHS/LaserDisc or a downmix of the English 5.1 (really, really hoping it’s the former…).)

Has anyone on or outside of this forum attempted ripping the PCM Dolby Surround(?) mix from the 1996 LaserDisc (the front cover semi-erroneously addresses Dolby Surround as “Dolby Stereo”, which is the theatrical name for that encoding process)? PM me if you have.

I have the 1996 Laserdisc and I ripped it if you’re interested. 😃

Cool! I’d love to hear it (and I’m pretty sure there are a few others out there who feel the same way). The audio mixes on most releases of this film are way too flat compared to the robust stereo mix on the 1996 releases.

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#1333308
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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tonik2000 said:

Dumbo on Disney + ?
Are there any alternative versions of Dumbo?

Bluray (plastic)

DVD (blury)

40%Bluray + 60%DVD (?)

(clik to enlarge)

Is that second screenshot from the DVD that comes with the Blu-ray or the Big Top Edition? The 60th Anniversary Edition, if I remember correctly, has a more filmic-looking transfer.

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#1333059
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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Are you, by any chance, going to be using the four-track magnetic stereo surround mix for this project?

Steve Stanchfield offered that mix on a special Blu-ray featuring Fantasia a few months back, but I never got the chance to order a copy. You said that the four-track mix sounded way better than the sound mixes on the official releases, so I’d like to have a listen to it.

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#1331664
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Wallace & Gromit in "The Wrong Trousers" - Original Audio Preservation (Released)
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Dek Rollins said:

In my opinion, the 1.66:1 framing feels way too tight in many scenes. The crop isn’t even applied consistently, leading me to believe it may not have been intended to be masked.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/9B2BMNNU

Really? Those matted screenshots sure do show more horizontal picture info than the open matte screenshots…

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#1331332
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Wallace & Gromit in "The Wrong Trousers" - Original Audio Preservation (Released)
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d00mb0yz96 said:

The 1995 CBS/FOX VHS releases have the correct pitch audio, as well as the 2001 Warner/BBC DVD (don’t know if that release has the altered audio since it was released after 2000; we actually rented that DVD from Netflix in 2006 back when they were doing DVDs by mail). I’m not sure why the CBS/FOX DVD version has AGDO and TWT running at 24 and ACS at 25, why couldn’t they do pulldown on AGDO and TWT like ACS?

After ripping my 1999 DVD, AGDO and TWT run at 23.976, but ACS plays at the original 25 fps (even though it’s an NTSC release, 720x480, NOT 720x576). Luckily I grew up with the 2001 Warner DVD back then and remembered the pitch it was. After trying to watch W&G years later, the audio didn’t sound right until more than a year ago I found out that Aardman shot the films and did post at 25fps instead of the standard 24fps.

Honestly, if they really wanted to go 24fps, at least keep the audio the same. It’s just like 24fps get sped up for PAL regions at 25fps and the film audio is sped up, except it’s the reverse. We’re watching the film at an incorrect speed!

Is it possible, though? If I remember correctly, whenever a PAL (25p or 25i) source is converted to NTSC (24p with pulldown to 30p or 30i), most companies opt to convert the 25 frame/field-per-second source to an interlaced format (the aforementioned 30i), even if it was shot progressive (i.e. on film). In most instances of this method, the pitch of the original source is kept intact; could converting a progressive PAL (25p) source to progressive NTSC (23.976/24p) bring similar (if not completely identical) results? Many of the posts on this thread suggest that most U.S. home video releases of the “Wallace & Gromit” shorts present each short converted incorrectly.

(Oh, and one more thing: don’t you actually mean 640x480? The video of an NTSC DVD is indeed stored at 720x480, but is scaled to either 640x480 (4:3) or 853x480 (16:9))

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#1331178
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Idea & Help Wanted: 'Bob the Builder' - UK Preservation
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UncutIsSuperior said:

A very exciting update on this topic. Almost every episode of Bob the Builder (1998-2011) is available on CBS All Access in their original aspect ratio. The only exception is Series 1, which is cropped to widescreen. Unfortunately, the shorts are not included, so the shorts will be excluded from my preservation. This may cost me money to preserve one episode from Series 5, as well as every episode from the following series, but I’ll hold out somehow.

Very interesting! Are they the British dubs or the American dubs?

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#1326085
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix
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rwinger24 said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

Had a listen to this mix via some videos on both the playlist embed in the original post and an Internet Archive playlist of the same tape (unfortunately featuring only the first 20 minutes or so of the film as opposed to the YouTube playlist), and I am floored by how wide/spacious it is compared to most of the other home video releases’ audio tracks! Any idea if the opening music to Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day and the closing cues to …and the Honey Tree and …and Tigger Too were recorded in stereo, too?

If Disney can’t be bothered to use the original stereophonic stems for their multi-channel remixes, they should definitely use them for a Legacy Collection CD set of the “Winnie the Pooh” featurettes/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

It is possible that Buddy Baker’s recordings were a simple three-channel mix. As in Honey Tree was recorded in 1965/66. On 35mm magnetic track masters. The 1996 laserdisc of Many Adventures is probably the highest quality out there. The 5.1 mix doesn’t come close to it.

Very interesting! (I had a listen to the 5.1 remix (which has been Disney’s go-to audio track for this film since 2002) not so long ago, and aside from a few directional sound effects here and there, it just wasn’t the same as the Masterpiece Collection releases’ stereo surround mix. The Blu-ray apparently has a 2.0 surround track in addition to the three main English/Spanish/French 5.1 tracks, but I’m not sure if it’s the same mix as the VHS/LaserDisc or a downmix of the English 5.1 (really, really hoping it’s the former…).)

Has anyone on or outside of this forum attempted ripping the PCM Dolby Surround(?) mix from the 1996 LaserDisc (the front cover semi-erroneously addresses Dolby Surround as “Dolby Stereo”, which is the theatrical name for that encoding process)? PM me if you have.

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#1323499
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Info Wanted: Hi-fi stereo soundtrack elements to the post-shutdown Warner Bros. cartoons
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Had a listen to some of the hi-fi era tracks on The Carl Stalling Project CDs (via SoundCloud) and they all sounded monaural to me. Were any of Milt Franklyn’s scores done in stereo (I know What’s Opera, Doc? was, but am not sure of any others) and are/were they available anywhere in that format?

If they are/were, would anybody be up for syncing them to the current HD Blu-ray/DVD masters?

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#1320290
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Info Wanted: Hi-fi stereo soundtrack elements to the post-shutdown Warner Bros. cartoons
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Shortly after the Warner Bros. animation division recovered from a six-month closure in 1953, nearly every major movie studio switched from recording their movie/short soundtracks on optical film to recording them on high-fidelity magnetic film. Warner’s scoring stage was retooled for stereo recording around this time, and most (or some?) of their “Looney Tunes” and “Merrie Melodies” were recorded on this stage in this manner from 1954 to circa 1963(?).

This thread on the Steve Hoffman Music Forums chronicles Hoffman’s job as a music storage archivist at Warner (among the things he remembers salvaging are some hi-fi “LT”/“MM” scores). Although most of the material he was working with was thrown out shortly after his time there, it is implied a few pages into the thread that he transferred the scores to digital audio tapes. He also recalls finding a magnetic stereo track for What’s Opera, Doc? (much to the animation department’s delight), indicating that at least a few of the short scores were indeed recorded stereophonically.

However, all of the isolated music tracks for the magnetically recorded shorts on the Golden Collection DVD sets and the Platinum Collection Blu-rays are in mono, and (AFAIK) the packaging and liner notes of both volumes of The Carl Stalling Project CDs don’t say if anything is in mono or stereo. However, some shorts have aired on Cartoon Network with stereo soundtracks before, including (according to a Golden Age Cartoons forum thread post) Bonanza Bunny. Are there any other stereo soundtracks to the post-shutdown WB shorts making the rounds (like on The Carl Stalling Project CDs(?), hi-fi VHS/digital recordings of the CN broadcasts, etc.)? It would be interesting to see and hear the 1990s-2010s restored versions with whatever is known to exist (or circulate).

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#1320129
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The Magic School Bus in 4K (1994-1997) (* unfinished project *)
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This sounds like a rather ambitious project…

…but were the final masters stored/edited on film or SD video? If they were finished on the latter, I doubt you’d get that much of an improvement. Would doing a 1080i restoration be a better way to go if the latter was the case? (I’d be all in for a 4K restoration as long as film prints for at least some of the episodes are known to exist)

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#1317359
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix
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Had a listen to this mix via some videos on both the playlist embed in the original post and an Internet Archive playlist of the same tape (unfortunately featuring only the first 20 minutes or so of the film as opposed to the YouTube playlist), and I am floored by how wide/spacious it is compared to most of the other home video releases’ audio tracks! Any idea if the opening music to Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day and the closing cues to …and the Honey Tree and …and Tigger Too were recorded in stereo, too?

If Disney can’t be bothered to use the original stereophonic stems for their multi-channel remixes, they should definitely use them for a Legacy Collection CD set of the “Winnie the Pooh” featurettes/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

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#1311574
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Info: 'A Charlie Brown Christmas' - comparisons
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Had a look at that video a few days ago.

I have a feeling that what we’re calling the “original” version is actually more a workprint than a final print; some music cues and sound effects are absent and at one point, when Charlie Brown realizes that Snoopy is decorating for a “lights and display contest?!”, his voice is not provided by Peter Robbins. Is there anyone out there who can do a reconstruction of what would’ve aired on CBS less than 55 years ago?

Additionally, the music was recorded in stereo, but downmixed to mono on both the workprint and the broadcast prints. Anyone here willing to sync the stereo score elements (most of which were released on CD and vinyl) to the video of the official Blu-ray release - or their own restoration/preservation - of the special? Here’s a very useful cue chart.

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#1309720
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It's the full collection, Charlie Brown! AKA continuing the Warner Peanuts 1960s, 1970s "decade" collections (Released)
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Charles Threepio said:

Myself, I’m hoping to do a full-length restoration of A Charlie Brown Christmas based on the Blu-ray and a 16mm print I downloaded from MEGA as part of this project.

The Internet Animation Database forum has a thread about the original poster obtaining a 1965 workprint and listing all the differences between it and the much more common re-edit. Here are some of the differences…

  • The Coca-Cola references are left intact
  • When Snoopy decorates his doghouse and Charlie Brown reads the paper about the lights and display contest, an instrumental version of “Christmas Time is Here” plays instead of “Surfin’ Snoopy” and Charlie Brown’s voice is softer
  • Various sound effects are missing or different
  • There is no close-up of Lucy’s hand when she gives “five good reasons”
    …and here’s the thread I’m referring to. Was the print you downloaded the same as or similar to the one the thread was about?

Additionally, are you going to sync some of Vince Guaraldi’s full stereo soundtrack elements, most (if not all) of which are available on CD and vinyl, to the video of your restoration project?