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#1416408
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Info: How many Disney 35mm scans exist?
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JadedSkywalker said:

On Thunderbean what is the 1967 feature, and 1973 feature?

I don’t want to order them unless they are Jungle Book and Robin Hood.

The 1967 and 1973 features are The Jungle Book and Robin Hood (and they’re both open-matte). Thunderbean always addresses the Disney film prints they sell on disc as “[year of release] features” (for somewhat obvious reasons).

Redbreast1 said:

But Sleeping Beauty is 1959… whereas Cinderella is 1950? So which is right? Does anyone know?

It’s more likely Cinderella.

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#1411388
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Fantasia's 'Fantasound' Manual Recreation (WIP)
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Starbond9 said:
This would be going beyond simply creating a 5.1 mix which is what the DVD/BD did and was unsuccessful.

The 2000 DVD audio mixes were 5.0; the 2010 Blu-ray mix was 7.1. Only the 2010 DVD and the Disney+ stream are truly 5.1.

I’d say the 2000 mixes are more faithful to the original Fantasound mix than the 2010 mix, even if the surround channels are less active than they are on LaserDisc. The 2010 mix is, from what I’ve heard, plagued with some pretty egregious noise reduction!

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#1388522
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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Class316 said:

MASTER260 said:

TonyWDA said:

That’s not what this is, though I wish it were. Until Mr. Taylor’s complete commentary tracks somehow surface, the aim of this project is to reassemble the general release version in much higher quality than is currently available. As of this writing, I’m unable to provide an estimated completion date but will be making updates here as often as I can.

Is this going to have the racist centaur?

If he’s going to go through all that effort to do what he’s doing I would certainty hope he is not foolish enough to censor.

Tony already mentioned above that he won’t censor the black centaurettes out of The Pastoral Symphony. Didn’t you notice that?

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#1387026
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix (LD rip available)
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simps said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

simps said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

Unfortunately not a LaserDisc rip (which would’ve been way better), but someone on Internet Archive has finally uploaded a full hi-fi rip of the 1996 VHS! Considering he previously also uploaded a rip with a linear mono track and a split-up rip with the hi-fi stereo track, this was a godsend for someone who really wanted to find a better, full rip of this particular release.

https://ia803203.us.archive.org/14/items/the-many-adventures-of-winnie-the-pooh-1996-vhs/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1996 VHS).mp4

I’ve already sent you my copy of the LD. Did you check your messages ?

I did, but I couldn’t play it. Is there any way you could make a rip file that’s easier to watch prior to - or without - downloading it?

I can send an LDrip in mkv format through pm if desired.

Either that or an .mp4 file could do!

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#1387010
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix (LD rip available)
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simps said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

Unfortunately not a LaserDisc rip (which would’ve been way better), but someone on Internet Archive has finally uploaded a full hi-fi rip of the 1996 VHS! Considering he previously also uploaded a rip with a linear mono track and a split-up rip with the hi-fi stereo track, this was a godsend for someone who really wanted to find a better, full rip of this particular release.

https://ia803203.us.archive.org/14/items/the-many-adventures-of-winnie-the-pooh-1996-vhs/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1996 VHS).mp4

I’ve already sent you my copy of the LD. Did you check your messages ?

I did, but I couldn’t play it. Is there any way you could make a rip file that’s easier to watch prior to - or without - downloading it?

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#1386996
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix (LD rip available)
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Unfortunately not a LaserDisc rip (which would’ve been way better), but someone on Internet Archive has finally uploaded a full hi-fi rip of the 1996 VHS! Considering he previously also uploaded a rip with a linear mono track and a split-up rip with the hi-fi stereo track, this was a godsend for someone who really wanted to find a better, full rip of this particular release.

https://ia803203.us.archive.org/14/items/the-many-adventures-of-winnie-the-pooh-1996-vhs/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1996 VHS).mp4

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#1385961
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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nesboy43 said:

Sleeping Beauty’s 1997 Laserdisc is the digitally restored one with rotoscoping. The feature about rotoscoping all the characters out, is a feature on that laserdisc.

So the aggressive restoration it mentioned is from 1997, not 2003. Only the pre 97 versions would be purist, although they are Pan and Scan.

I’ll add a few other corrections:

  • The final Diamond/Signature Edition masters were not 4K; restoration work was done at 2K (the scans they were derived from, however, were 4K)
  • Are we sure that the 1993 restoration of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was rotoscoped (using the term “reanimated” is a misnomer)? As far as I’m concerned, the rotoscoping/recomposition method didn’t come into play until the 1997 restoration of Sleeping Beauty
  • The Limited Issue DVDs of One Hundred and One Dalmatians and The Little Mermaid were released in 1999, while the Gold Classic Collection DVDs for The Three Caballeros, Mary Poppins, The Aristocats, Robin Hood, The Fox and the Hound, and The Rescuers Down Under, the individual release of the 60th Anniversary Edition of Fantasia, and the 2-Disc Collector’s Edition of Tarzan were all released in 2000 - the initial guide erroneously gives them a release year of 2001
  • One Hundred and One Dalmatians was not an open-matte film; its 1961 theatrical pressbook instructs exhibitors to screen it at 1.33:1
  • The 45th Anniversary Edition of The Sword in the Stone and the Friendship Edition of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh utilize the same masters as their respective films’ 2001 and 2002 DVDs, albeit with different encodes/bitrates
  • “The audio [for Many Adventures’ Blu-ray] is supposed to be good” is laughable, as the 1996 VHS and LaserDisc both have a much wider and incredibly robust stereo mix that sounds infinitely better than that film’s 5.1 remix
  • There was no DTS version of the Limited Issue DVD of The Little Mermaid
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#1385719
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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Isn’t using the term “reanimation” to refer to Lowry’s (or, prior to the mid-2000s, Disney’s own extensive) restorations misleading (and a bit of an oxymoron), as other than the digitally recreated visual effects in Alice in Wonderland, nothing is being reanimated (or for that matter, redrawn) in the general sense of the term?

“(Digitally) recomposited” and/or “rotoscoped” would be more accurate terms to use. (On another note, I don’t think the 1993 Cineon restoration of Snow White was a reanimation recomposition job, as the restoration featurette on the 2001 DVD states that what was done was “cleaning and refurbishing” the film frame-by-frame)

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#1373093
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New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - Preservation Project (* unfinished - lots of info *)
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Currently watching The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh on Disney+. Most of the episodes on there are in HD and in 4:3, which is a pleasant surprise because the other remastered late '80s/'90s Walt Disney Television Animation shows are only in cropped 16:9.

I should also note, though, that some shots do appear to be slightly cropped on at least three sides of the frame compared to the SD masters (this makes for some odd framing issues) - any idea if the 16:9 crops mentioned above preserve what’s been cropped away from at least the left side?

jerryshadoe said:

From what I can tell, all English & German episodes are in stereo.

From what I can tell, most English episodes (“Pooh Oughta Be in Pictures” to “Pooh Skies”) are in mono and the rest (“To Bee or Not to Bee” to “Owl’s Well That Ends Well”) are in stereo. Have the former set of episodes been released or broadcast anywhere in stereo?

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#1368297
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Info: Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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Buster D said:

If the source was a mono film, they should be, but there are quite a few films that were mono in theaters but remixed to stereo for home video: https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/the-ultimate-list-of-mono-to-stereo-remixed-soundtracks.339481/

Quite a couple of the films on that list had certain elements (namely the music stems) recorded in stereo, but downmixed to mono for the optical soundtrack on a film strip (which was, obviously, monaural). Just saying…

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#1364601
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Idea: PINGU DESPECIALIZED - Original Cuts Restored
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This sounds like a great idea! A few things, though…

Gavinworld12 said:

-Make a Dolby Stereo mix for the episodes
-Upscale them for HD

The final mixes for the original cuts of Pingu were (presumably) mono. Are there any (and enough) efficient elements available to use for the Dolby Stereo/Surround mixes? It’d be interesting to know anything you think would benefit from a matrixed surround remix.

What resolution and frame rate do you plan to upscale to? The series was (presumably) shot/edited at a frame rate of 25p/50i.

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#1358545
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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TonyWDA said:

UPDATE: I’m thrilled to inform all of you that the magnetic stereo soundtrack has been successfully digitized. Though I’m exceedingly satisfied with the facility’s work, the soundtrack itself is, not surprisingly, in need of some patching and restorative work before it’s in a presentable state.

Plenty of ticks and pops in quieter passages that need to be removed, tons of phase problems to correct, and the right channel to an entire reel has crackling in it that’s almost impossible to ignore. I’m chalking that last one up to the age and condition of the particular reel itself, as this isn’t a problem anywhere else in the print. But I was prepared for just about anything, and even the incessant crackling can be attenuated without destroying important frequencies. Overall, the soundtrack is discrete, exceptionally well separated, and the noise is surprisingly low for an audio source of its age. There’s no signal dropout of any kind, and absolutely no wow and flutter anywhere to be heard, which is what I was most afraid of and prepared to combat. It’s a stellar, archival-grade capture that I can totally work with, and I haven’t even gotten the rest of the audio sources preserved yet. Things are looking very good so far. I’ll post comparative audio samples as soon as I am able to. Stay tuned.

That’s great - no, excellent! Can’t wait to hear whatever you post…

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#1348737
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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JacobTheMoviePurist92 said:

I’m looking forward to the finished results of the audio.😊😉😊😉

My guesses the audio options will be the new multichannel remix in 5.1 surround sound, the 1955 magnetic stereo mix in 4.0 Dolby Surround and the original mono mix in Dolby Digital lossless 1.0

I’m based in the UK🇬🇧 and i have my PAL VHS of Fantasia which has the 1990 Dolby Stereo remix.

A few things:

  • Dolby Digital is a lossy compression codec. Do you mean Dolby TrueHD (or DTS-HD Master Audio or LPCM)?
  • Fantasia’s original soundtrack was not mono; it was four (or five)-channel “Fantasound”. The film was re-released with a mono soundtrack in either 1941 or 1942.

Tony, I see you’ve called the 2000 5.0 soundtrack “insanely compressed” and said that there, the score doesn’t move around the room [“as it did before”]. Care to elaborate on that? (We already know about how messed up the 2010 7.1 soundtrack is, so I’m wondering if the 5.0 mix fares any better despite being encoded as two lossy audio tracks)

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#1340441
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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TonyWDA said:

Disney is wildly inconsistent with the A/V quality of some of their titles. The Jungle Book is another one that comes to mind. If ever you can, listen to the 1990 Dolby Stereo soundtrack; it’s noticeably more enveloping and consistently separated than the 2007 Platinum Edition mix, despite the latter being presented in discrete surround. Sound effects pan more frequently in the Dolby Stereo mix, and while the underscore for almost every song is mixed in broad mono that sounds flat as a pancake in the Platinum Edition (”Trust in Me,” “My Own Home,” and the closing “Bare Necessities” reprise being the only exceptions), you can hear separate music stems at play in the Dolby Stereo mix. The differences between 1990 and 2007 “I Wanna Be Like You” in particular are like night and day. (I’ll probably post the A/B comparison videos here soon.) So, yeah, there’s trade offs between both options— few scenes have broad mono score while most are in true stereo, and it isn’t always the same scene in both mixes.

I’ll take your word for it regarding The Jungle Book, but I personally thought that film’s discrete surround remix fared much better than that for The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Compare how the music playing over the opening credits (and a few other scenes) sound(s) on the 1996 releases with how they sound on the 2002-onward releases…it’s even more night and day than the differences between the matrix surround and discrete surround versions of “I Wanna Be Like You”.

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#1340374
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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JacobTheMoviePurist92 said:

Are you gonna have the remixed audio in 5.1 surround sound?

Are you referring to the 5.0 mix on the 2000 DVD or the half-baked 7.1 mix on the Blu-ray? I hope you’re referring to the former, because the latter is far from perfect…

(Semi off-topic here, but why does Disney insist on compressing the dynamic range on most of their early stereophonic titles? Off the top of my head, Grand Canyonscope is in mono on Disney+ (versus the much more robust Dolby Surround audio track on the Chronological Donald volume it’s on), the music stems to the first three “Winnie the Pooh” featurettes/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh surprisingly sound rather flat on the latter’s 5.1 mix on DVD and Blu-ray versus the incredibly robust stereo mix on the second VHS and LaserDisc, and of course whatever the frig went on with this film’s soundtrack…what for?)

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#1339580
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix (LD rip available)
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So, have anybody else attempted to rip the 1996 LaserDisc and upload it online? The first poster to do so hasn’t shared us the link to their rip yet.

Also, I’ve been thinking - has anyone here attempted to create a new and improved 5.1 remix using the stereophonic score stems from the 1996 releases? It sure would beat the “broad mono” track on the 2002-onward releases…

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#1338508
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) Stereo Mix (LD rip available)
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simps said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

rwinger24 said:

WaltWiz1901 said:

Had a listen to this mix via some videos on both the playlist embed in the original post and an Internet Archive playlist of the same tape (unfortunately featuring only the first 20 minutes or so of the film as opposed to the YouTube playlist), and I am floored by how wide/spacious it is compared to most of the other home video releases’ audio tracks! Any idea if the opening music to Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day and the closing cues to …and the Honey Tree and …and Tigger Too were recorded in stereo, too?

If Disney can’t be bothered to use the original stereophonic stems for their multi-channel remixes, they should definitely use them for a Legacy Collection CD set of the “Winnie the Pooh” featurettes/The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

It is possible that Buddy Baker’s recordings were a simple three-channel mix. As in Honey Tree was recorded in 1965/66. On 35mm magnetic track masters. The 1996 laserdisc of Many Adventures is probably the highest quality out there. The 5.1 mix doesn’t come close to it.

Very interesting! (I had a listen to the 5.1 remix (which has been Disney’s go-to audio track for this film since 2002) not so long ago, and aside from a few directional sound effects here and there, it just wasn’t the same as the Masterpiece Collection releases’ stereo surround mix. The Blu-ray apparently has a 2.0 surround track in addition to the three main English/Spanish/French 5.1 tracks, but I’m not sure if it’s the same mix as the VHS/LaserDisc or a downmix of the English 5.1 (really, really hoping it’s the former…).)

Has anyone on or outside of this forum attempted ripping the PCM Dolby Surround(?) mix from the 1996 LaserDisc (the front cover semi-erroneously addresses Dolby Surround as “Dolby Stereo”, which is the theatrical name for that encoding process)? PM me if you have.

I have the 1996 Laserdisc and I ripped it if you’re interested. 😃

Cool! I’d love to hear it (and I’m pretty sure there are a few others out there who feel the same way). The audio mixes on most releases of this film are way too flat compared to the robust stereo mix on the 1996 releases.