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#1225352
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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stickydixon said:

How about, in the climax of AotC, Anakin doesn’t act like a child and rush forward into combat, getting his ass handed to him, and causing the fight to be lost?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hu5JmhXxvHHxoSeiE7g68UNBAOjkHvg3

And no Yoda - it’s odd, isn’t it, that he takes a clone ship to the bunker and arrives absent clone support?
Also, I tried to limit movie swordsmanship, ie fewer pirouettes and no “duel wielding”.

In short, no shots of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme in the same gunship, cut, cropped, and painted out Anakin for the first half of the fight, and did the same for Yoda’s appearance, simply cut the center channel to remove Yoda’s grunting.

Vast improvement. This should be the definitive version from now on.

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#1215365
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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Crosspost from the other thread:
I’ve been working on a fairly major cut of TLJ, either to stand alone as a shorter movie or as an extra part of a really long TFA. (I love TFA as it is, or with the Hal 9000 restructure.) I don’t have the expertise to get the audio and music transitions and everything to go smoothly, and it’s choppy in places, but it reflects what I want.

Basically I have two main issues with TLJ. They’re not very original and many people have had the same issues.

  1. The characters of Rose and Holdo and their subplots.
  2. Disrespect and revision of existing original trilogy characters: Luke, Han, Leia, Yoda, and the Jedi.

I cut almost every scene with Rose and every scene with Holdo, which means Finn is also conspicuously absent, but it can’t be helped. No Poe subplot either, no Canto Bight, no DJ. Rose is now just a member of the Resistance who participates in the final battle, her “meet cute” with Finn is when they both crash during the battle (no kiss or dialogue) and Rey looks on approvingly at Finn giving her the blanket on the Falcon.

Leia isn’t ever wounded; Kylo Ren’s choice not to kill her actually matters. Her maternal love for him and her connection with the Force are manifest in that way, instead of a goofy space flight.

The First Order figures out how to shoot at the obvious transport ships on their own. The hyperspace ram is pulled off by Luke, repurposing the scene of him straining to contact the unconscious Leia (and Yoda’s lightning bolt. Yoda is not in the movie.) We only see the chair from the back and can figure out later that it was his projection in the chair. This gives Luke’s role more punch and justifies the map subplot a lot more in TFA. I prefer Luke not dying at the end (since it means Kylo Ren “killed” him anyway,) but he can.

Luke and Rey’s interactions are carefully arranged so that Luke is still grumpy, but he wants to teach her. He mourns Han in the Falcon as soon as he finds out. Luke doesn’t hate the Jedi or criticize them. The audience can infer (since Han already told us in TFA, and there are scenes where Luke says this in TLJ) that he felt guilty and like he failed as a teacher. He doesn’t want to take on new students because he doesn’t feel like he can be trusted with them, and he’s worried about them turning to the dark side - he almost gives up training Rey when she starts looking into the dark side cave. Luke’s interpretation of his confrontation with Ben is the correct one and an alternate is never presented. Rey’s anger at Luke is just about him not thinking Ben can be saved, and trying to leave, not that she thinks he’s a murderer.

PM me if you want to see the rough cut.

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#1215247
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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I would probably wait to see what happens in 9 first.

With that said I’ve been personally working on a fairly major cut of TLJ, either to stand alone as a shorter movie or as an extra part of a really long TFA. (I love TFA as it is, or with the Hal 9000 restructure.) I don’t have the expertise to get the audio and music transitions and everything to go smoothly, and it’s choppy in places, but it reflects what I want.

Basically I have two main issues with TLJ. They’re not very original and many people have had the same issues.

  1. The characters of Rose and Holdo and their subplots.
  2. Disrespect and revision of existing original trilogy characters: Luke, Han, Leia, Yoda, and the Jedi.

I cut almost every scene with Rose and every scene with Holdo, which means Finn is also conspicuously absent, but it can’t be helped. No Poe subplot either, no Canto Bight, no DJ. Rose is now just a member of the Resistance who participates in the final battle, her “meet cute” with Finn is when they both crash during the battle (no kiss or dialogue) and Rey looks on approvingly at Finn giving her the blanket on the Falcon.

Leia isn’t ever wounded; Kylo Ren’s choice not to kill her actually matters. Her maternal love for him and her connection with the Force are manifest in that way, instead of a goofy space flight.

The First Order figures out how to shoot at the obvious transport ships on their own. The hyperspace ram is pulled off by Luke, repurposing the scene of him straining to contact the unconscious Leia (and Yoda’s lightning bolt. Yoda is not in the movie.) We only see the chair from the back and can figure out later that it was his projection in the chair. This gives Luke’s role more punch and justifies the map subplot a lot more in TFA. I prefer Luke not dying at the end (since it means Kylo Ren “killed” him anyway,) but he can.

Luke and Rey’s interactions are carefully arranged so that Luke is still grumpy, but he wants to teach her. He mourns Han in the Falcon as soon as he finds out. Luke doesn’t hate the Jedi or criticize them. The audience can infer (since Han already told us in TFA, and there are scenes where Luke says this in TLJ) that he felt guilty and like he failed as a teacher. He doesn’t want to take on new students because he doesn’t feel like he can be trusted with them, and he’s worried about them turning to the dark side - he almost gives up training Rey when she starts looking into the dark side cave. Luke’s interpretation of his confrontation with Ben is the correct one and an alternate is never presented. Rey’s anger at Luke is just about him not thinking Ben can be saved, and trying to leave, not that she thinks he’s a murderer.

PM me if you want to see the rough cut.

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#1215231
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THE CHOSEN ONE: A STAR WARS STORY (RELEASED!!!)
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IlFanEditore said:

I would like to get some suggestions about the opening text.

Right now there is written:

"The GALACTIC REPUBLIC has guaranteed peace
in the galaxy for thousands of years.

The Jedi Order serves the Galactic Senate,
led by the Supreme Chancellor.

While a group of systems fights for independence in the CLONE WARS,
the Sith, ancient enemies of the Jedi, return.

The Sith Lord Darth Sidious secretly takes control of
the Separatist Alliance to weaken the Jedi".

Is it good?
Or… how would you change it?

I like it. Maybe add something like,
the Sith, ancient enemies of the Jedi, return from the shadows.

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#1211944
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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The cave scene was one of the few genuine “unique” moments of the movie. Dark side caves should be weird.

My personal interpretation:
It’s a representation of two things,

  1. How alone Rey is and how she feels, just stuck by herself.
  2. How the Force can appear deterministic because it allows you to see the past and the future. Her copies make a decision behind the “real” her and then she is forced to act it out because it’s something she chose behind, then each copy in front of her has to do the same thing (snapping, waving her hand.) The future is always in motion but actions always have consequences. She moves up in sequence, trying to see the future/past to figure out who’s there, but she’s left with emptiness and just herself. The dark side can’t really help you in the end and it makes you self-centered.
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#1202766
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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Had some more thoughts after watching an edit:

  • Going in to TLJ I felt that guilt over Kylo Ren was sufficient motivation for Luke to self-exile. That was how Han explained it, and there wasn’t really any need for more. He doesn’t need to hate the Jedi or think that they should end, he could just think that he’s not a good enough teacher and that further pupils would turn to the dark side. The basic structure of this is already in the movie with him being concerned about Rey (“you didn’t even stop yourself,” Rey hanging out with Kylo, Rey going to the dark side hole, Rey lacking restraint with the saber) Rey saying “Kylo failed you, I won’t,” and Yoda telling him about failure. No late night attacks, lying, or book burning required either.

  • The deleted scene with the “raid”/party in the caretaker village could be re-purposed to teach the complete opposite lesson; instead of teaching Rey that the Jedi suck because they stop you from making interventions, he could just be giving her the straightforward lesson the Jedi intended, but in a sarcastic mocking trickster way like Yoda. Or, maybe it’s a metaphor to show Rey why he stays on the planet and doesn’t intervene in the war.

  • Aside from the part when he actually goes with torch in hand, Luke is genuinely concerned with actually keeping the Jedi traditions alive: he carefully folds his robes, describes himself as part of the religion, and speaks with reverence about the ancient Jedi texts. It’s possible that his motivation for exile could be to simply protect and watch over these teachings and make sure that the First Order doesn’t destroy them. He’d like to get away and all, but he’s just one man… he slips into the complacency that he had when he was younger (“it’s all so far away from here.”) Han being killed and Leia being threatened could easily rouse him out of it without Rey having to follow him all over the island and pester him. The projection could be a way for him to stay on the island and watch over it while still helping.

  • Since any of these changes would cut out a substantial chunk of TLJ they’d probably be best implemented in a 2-in-1 edit.

  • Maybe he genuinely didn’t know that the situation with the First Order was so serious and figured that the Republic could handle it. He could be willing to help from the start and just require a messenger. This way he could be the MacGuffin that TFA makes him out to be, only for a 2-in-1 edit where he blows up the First Order fleet. Or, in a longer edit, he might want to teach Rey first so that she learns the lesson of restraint before he makes such a huge act. Or maybe he’s convinced that Rey is already lost by trying to save/join Kylo Ren on Snoke’s ship and he’s trying to take out them both! who knows, just spitballing ideas.

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#1189697
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The Life and Times of Anakin Skywalker
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English_Beans said:

Vladius said:

I like it!
My opinion:
The jump cut of Anakin landing on Zam’s speeder would be funny and appropriate I think, but it would be better to give some visual continuity on the Obi Wan-Grievous fight since it’s later in the movie at a more serious time.
I would keep Dooku as a Sith or at least a fallen Jedi for the sake of convenience. This would just mean leaving in his part in ROTS.

How will you handle the time transition between AOTC and ROTS?

Yes, as I said the transition in the Grievous fight is pretty jarring, but it’s kind of tricky, because showing the whole fight would take the focus away from the Coruscant plot for a longer period than I’d like. Therefore I figured I’d cut at “Hello there” as a sort of cliffhanger, but maybe it would be better to at least show the Clones arriving to help. Dooku is still a fallen Jedi. I’ve kept the scene where he talks to Obi Wan while he’s captive. Part of the reason for not making him a Sith was honestly that I don’t like either of the fights he’s involved in.
The AotC portion will end with Palpatine gettin his powers and declaring war. Obi Wan is about to executed in the arena when the clones and the Jedi arrive (I’ve edited this sequence as a montage and I’m pretty happy with it). Anakin has his big rant. Yoda lamments the war. We then cut to the battle above Coruscant, maybe with a three years later subtitle. Probably the most basic transition possible but I don’t have any better ideas.

Hello there and then bam, clones would be really cool and work well I think. Maybe when you cut back, have a brief shot of Obi Wan jumping on the bike with Grievous, then both of them falling off leading straight into the fist fight. Just something to “carry” them away from the rest of the battle and explain why it’s just them all of a sudden.

Oh okay, I understand your feelings on Dooku a little better now. I think it’ll be confusing having Palpatine on Grievous’s ship without mentioning that he’s been kidnapped. Is there a way to just not have the chancellor be present and have Obi Wan and Anakin’s mission be to infiltrate and bring down the ship on purpose?

The montage sounds great!

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#1189650
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The Life and Times of Anakin Skywalker
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I like it!
My opinion:
The jump cut of Anakin landing on Zam’s speeder would be funny and appropriate I think, but it would be better to give some visual continuity on the Obi Wan-Grievous fight since it’s later in the movie at a more serious time.
I would keep Dooku as a Sith or at least a fallen Jedi for the sake of convenience. This would just mean leaving in his part in ROTS.

How will you handle the time transition between AOTC and ROTS?

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#1169255
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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OutboundFlight said:

EvenSteven said:

OutboundFlight said:
How about cutting Finn and Rose (almost) entirely from the movie? Move Finn waking up shortly after Holdo assumes command. Finn’s “where’s Rey?” cuts to Rey arriving on the Supremacy. Canto Bight and the Hyperspace tracker, all gone. Besides just cutting a poor subplot, it also simplifies the story considerably by letting us focus in on the arcs of Rey, Kylo, and Poe.

I know it sounds great to cut out that entire B-plot, but there’s a few problems with it. Like Handman mentioned, DJ needs to betray the Resistance to the First Order. Second, there’s Leia’s tracker that Finn picks up so Rey can fly to Snoke’s Star Destroyer. Third, Finn and Rose have to fly back to Crait in the used First Order ship. So, having them just appear in the final battle without the Canto Bight plot would be jarring from a viewer’s perspective.

I haven’t seen TLJ in over a month now but from what I remember:

  1. The first order could of seen through the resistance’s plan on its own, which would help bring up Hux, or someone could it make seem like Snoke/Kylo sensed it.
  2. Leia has the tracker in the beginning, cutting Finn picking up the tracker would imply it was still with her.
  3. Cut out Finn and Rose arriving on Canto Bight, they could of been on the pods too. It’s not perfect but it could work.

Maybe cut Finn’s kamikazee rub entirely with everyone turning back when Poe says so, but that may turn him into a background character.

My reasoning for cutting the entire subplot is that movie is so crowded. It has four subplots (Rey, Kylo, Finn, Poe) each with their own sets of characters. Compare that to the OT with 3 the max. Once of the subplots needs to be axed, and the Hyperspace Tracker is the least interesting or important of them. It’s only around to give Finn something to do, so why not let him take a backseat and stay asleep for the first half?

I really like your ideas. Someone do this.

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#1166364
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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Gimpy said:

Daxtreme, the problem with Luke’s entire arc in the film is that he already learned the lessons of failure in the OT. The way TLJ plays out is as though Empire and Jedi never actually happened, and Luke never learned the lessons that he in fact did learn in the earlier movies, so he never actually teaches Rey anything in a believable way.

He tries to whack Ben “because dark side” (total BS)

He then wallows in self pity and she learns from that? She leaves Luke after she gets fed up with him and he with her. That’s not a lesson. Luke doesn’t even teach her the lesson of failure, she has to beat a confession of wrongdoing out of him with a stick and lightsaber.

1 “Lesson” is how the force exists beyond light and dark and pervades everything (we already know this, so does Rey from Maz in TFA.)

2nd “Lesson” is that neither side has a monopoly on the force, and the Jedi in their arrogance allowed the Sith to rise from their own ranks. (Luke repeats the same mistakes his own masters made with Anakin due to merely “sensing the darkness” in Ben. That is a betrayal of the character’s whole arc in the last trilogy.

3rd Lesson was cut from the film.

Rotoscoping a saber where Luke’s staff is would be done to re purpose those shots for a kind of Luke V the Knights of Ren shot in a force back, or maybe a Luke V Ben shot where Rey is seeing things from Ben’s perspective. You could put audio over this of “let the past die” and “this is not going to go the way you think!”

Mark Hamill had his own backstory for why Luke exiled himself, namely losing a child. I think if Luke was training Ben and his other students during a time of his own personal crisis,

(something beyond his control and just natural) this would make for a better rationale for Luke to fail them all, and also for Ben to turn. (a rationale was never given beyond “because Snoke, and Because dark side.”

Imagine if it could be implied that Luke suffered a loss and therefore loses faith, while Ben is committed to the Jedi code of no attachments, but being twisted by Snoke. (let the past die = be free of attachments, which is a Jedi ideal,) but Luke sees the rigid interpretation of that ideal as THE problem of the Jedi that needs to end.

The blame going to Luke for Ben’s turn falls flat because the Luke of the OT wouldn’t make those mistakes. “always in motion is the future.” What lesson did Luke learn after getting his hand chopped off if not “don’t jump to conclusions based on a force vision?”

It would be more intriguing if Luke was in fact the “great Luke Skywalker” of Legend, but a basic aspect of life (like losing a child) is what brings him down despite his being a full Jedi and having that discipline, and even despite being able to integrate a family life.

The way that TLJ presently frames things, Luke never learned from any of his experiences, and stayed a frightened boy who was mistakenly ascribed legendary status.

Well said. Mark Hamill’s performance was great, and all the imagery of Luke as a bitter recluse was really cool, but it never struck me as true to his character. People are so infatuated with the idea of prequel Jedi sucking that they forget we’re supposed to like the Jedi.

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#1162814
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The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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adywan said:

Vladius said:

I realize this might be an unpopular opinion here, but aside from the portrayal of Luke (which some people feel is just a matter of interpretation,) the non-Rey female characters were easily the worst parts of the film.
They have the most cringe-inducing dialogue:…“if you need to see the sun shining to know it’s there, you’ll never last through the night,” …

A line not even spoken in the film. If you are going to use quotes to prove a point about bad dialogue, at least get the quote right. That’s not even close.

You’re being needlessly pedantic and it absolutely is close.

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#1161585
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The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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I realize this might be an unpopular opinion here, but aside from the portrayal of Luke (which some people feel is just a matter of interpretation,) the non-Rey female characters were easily the worst parts of the film.
They have the most cringe-inducing dialogue: “I want to put my fist through this whole lousy beautiful town,” “if you need to see the sun shining to know it’s there, you’ll never last through the night,” and the clincher, “This is how we win. Not destroying what we hate. Saving what we love.” They also make accompanying nonsensical decisions, which I do not need to elaborate upon.

Holdo is a much more potent Mary Sue than Rey ever was. She has all the traits: comes out of nowhere, secretly Leia’s best friend all along, good at everything, unfairly disliked, outlandish hair color, gets an amazing self-sacrificial death scene performing an anime maneuver that heretofore did not exist.

So while this guy making a “no women” edit is a useful punching bag/lightning rod for almost literally everyone, that doesn’t make TLJ a feminist masterwork and it certainly doesn’t make the criticisms of the women in the movie invalid. Honestly I would end up making a lot of the same cuts/edits that he does.
It’s the same issue with 2016 Ghostbusters. “Checkmate, sexists! We put women in YOUR franchise!” Great! Were they funny? No. Actually, the black woman was a borderline offensive caricature. Was the movie good? Again, no. If anything, it sets the cause of women back by putting them in a terrible movie.

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#1160436
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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darthrush said:

HerekittykittyX said:

Is there a way to edit it instead of commander holdo its Leia Doing the lightspeed scene.

Perhaps. It is much easier to edit Luke being the one to do it. You just repurpose the shots of him contacting Leia through the force and instead you intercut those shots with the ship turning and the First Order freaking out.

Leia on the other hand, I don’t know.

That would be so sick. Luke decides to help earlier or senses Leia in danger or something and wipes out the First Order fleet. I would use the part with him straining in meditation from the projection scene, but that does create a continuity issue with his projection and actual death. Maybe do Crait at the beginning like some are suggesting, then have Luke sacrifice himself destroying the fleet. This also explains why no one has done a hyperspace ram before; part of it involves the Force.

Probably the thing I hate most about the movie is its smug contempt for the audience. "What did you think, I was going to face down the whole First Order myself with a laser sword?"
Yes please! Why is that idea so offensive, to have Luke Skywalker be the hero we know and love?
Yoda flipping around with a lightsaber is one thing, because the whole point of his character is that he’s physically limited but wise and strong in the Force. Luke, on the other hand, is a classical hero that performs mighty feats. It makes sense that an older Luke would be more advanced with the Force and use misdirection rather than straight violence, but at the point of the movie where he decides to help the Resistance, it would be so much more satisfying for him to do some actual honest-to-goodness damage.

For what it’s worth, my “headcanon” or speculation about why Luke exiled himself at the end of TFA -
Due to secrets learned through his studies and travels, Luke has become godlike in his own power, and is afraid to use it directly in vulgar destruction for fear of falling to the dark side. He is concerned that his sorrow/anger for Ben and his hatred of Snoke would overcome him and he wouldn’t be able to stop himself from just taking control of everything. He retires to Ach-To to detach himself from the physical world and remove the temptation. The death of Han only makes things worse and adds a further complication.
Rey convinces him to help because of his love for Leia, his friends, and the galaxy. (If you want to do the moral of “focus on what you love, not what you hate,” I think this is a much better way to do it.) Like at the end of Return of the Jedi but at a more cosmic scale, he finds peace within himself and no longer acts in anger.

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#1155541
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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Overall I fundamentally disagree with the ideas behind the movie, especially the cynical prequel apologist (“mind blowing fan theory”) approach to the Jedi and Luke. In general the movie seems determined to ruin any sense of heroism or audience satisfaction. Any time a male character attempts to do something they are denied and punished.

HOWEVER there are a lot of great things about it that I like, especially anything with Rey and/or Kylo Ren. Mark Hamill’s performance is really good. That throne room fight is one of the best fights in Star Wars, period. I love the porgs and some of the other humor, and I like the idea of Canto Bight if it had less Lucas in it.

For the Luke/Rey/Ren half:
*I like ImperialFighter’s ideas. Luke is not a murderer or a liar, and generally he would be THE character to be optimistic about someone struggling with the dark side. It does make more sense for Kylo Ren to result from a misunderstanding. Luke might not try to kill him, but he could hover uncomfortably close like a helicopter parent to try to keep him on the right path.
*Hopefully there are some deleted scenes. The lack of a third lesson drives me nuts.
*I don’t like Yoda’s appearance or presentation at all. At the very least it should be tweaked so that he’s not stuck in the early ESB cackling trickster persona.
*Fix Snoke’s dialogue as it’s comically on-the-nose. Some of it also plagiarizes directly from ROTJ (and the Bible!)

For the other half, I have ideas for tweaking it but they would be extremely difficult to execute. It would be easier to cut most of it.
I absolutely despise everything to do with Holdo. Ideally any function she serves would be replaced with Leia. Leia would tell Poe the plan and he would dislike it for some legitimate reason (“they’ll still detect the transports!”) and mutiny directly against her. Leia puts down the mutiny with her cool Force powers (no ridiculous space flight, the bridge never gets hit.) However Poe manages to let Finn and Rose get away to Canto Bight. Trim Lucas shenanigans, newsboys, and several pieces of Rose dialogue. DJ stays a relative good guy and doesn’t betray anyone, but he does ditch them after they finish the mission. I also dislike it when a villain has no reason to keep captured heroes alive other than “to make them suffer,” so I’d prefer Phasma’s introduction to be coming out of the smoke. Cut Finn’s faux-action movie one liners. Poe, Finn, and Rose’s plan works but is costly in some way or temporary, giving just enough time for the fleet to jump to Crait. In order to salvage the whole thing, Leia sacrifices herself with the hyperspace ram. Gives more guilt and pathos to Poe, wondering if he made the right decision.
The Luke/Leia scene is nice though, so again, probably just cut all of the stuff in the middle.

I would like Finn to succeed at his sacrifice as well, or at the very least leave out Rose’s idiotic actions and nonsensical platitude, but none of that is really doable. So maybe don’t have Finn or Rose in the ships in the first place, or have them break off when Poe tells them to.

Also cut the kids at the end. (LOOOOK SKYWALKUH, JEEDAI MASTUH)