Even Lucas admitted on the DVD commentary that the only thing of substance in Jedi is the Luke, Vader and Emperor stuff.
Was always kind of surprised that Lucas didn’t mess with edit more, especially Star Wars.
There’s two new creatures, well, technically just one creatively decorated to look like two distinct characters, which fits in perfectly with the ethos of making a Star Wars film, and it’s a good old fashioned puppet, not CG.
I haven’t visited theforce.net forums since the prequels days. They were incredibly sycophantic towards Lucas and pro-prequel then. Kind of wild to read that hasn’t changed much in nearly 20 years.
The “Bearded Man” is Tippett, right?
Wish he had talked more about the run-in with Lucas.
Kennedy and Lucas have known each other for years, and I believe are friends.
I’m sure there’s enough loyalty there that she’ll respect his wishes in regards to releasing the original films.
Disney could order her to do it, but I imagine they’re completely indifferent about the whole thing. They only really care about new “content”.
So, yeah, I fully believe that Kennedy is the one standing in the way, at this point.
Yeah, I feel like the point was that only a Force user would’ve ever made that shot.
The rebellion even attempting this strategy was an act of desperation.
Sideburns of BoShek said:
I think it is a “they respect George’s wishes” type of thing more than any legal contract. And a couple of years after George passes they’ll likely release all the different cuts. I hope so anyway. That’s just my best guess to it all.You’re right, it does all seem insane.
Kennedy’s definitely the one holding it back at this point. She’s already stated that she won’t mess with his movies.
Vader brings everyone to the carbon freezing chamber because he’s trying to send out the max amount of pain vibes into the universe for Luke to pick up on. It’s why he tortures Han for seemingly no reason, too.
Simple as.
Kershner and Ford were way overthinking it.
So, I’ve thinking about how Luke is always upside down anytime he gains a new ability in the Force.
He’s upside down when he pulls the saber to him, when he has the premonition about Cloud City and when he calls to Leia for help.
I’ve never seen anyone comment on this and was wondering if you all had any thoughts?
Yeah, he’s said that bullheadedness is what got him through film school in the first place. In fact, it’s what inspired Yoda’s line, "Do or do not. There is no try.”.
ncskye said:
and the Jabba scene’s dialogue would be changed to where it was Jabba’s righthand man(or something) coming to confront Solo, not a CGI Jabba.
That’s what the Greedo scene is.
It is a weird phenomena.
It’s not like people don’t bring up issues with other films and their releases. For instances, I saw a lot of complaining about the color timing for the recent blu-ray release of Terminator. I never see anyone attacked for that kind of stuff, but if you bring up the original release of Star Wars you’re being an obsessive and pedantic nerd.
Yeah, it’s definitely too bright.
I’m sure it will get further tweaks like other releases.
Thanks to the everyone involved with bringing this to fruition.
Now onto the apparently long wait for 4K80.
I hate the exhaust port complaint. People say that the Empire should’ve just covered it up, but that defeats the purpose of an exhaust port! It’s established that the port is tiny and apparently only someone with extreme propensity for the force can even hit it. Also, the port wasn’t what destroyed the Death Star. It was a chain reaction explosion caused by a torpedo making it all the way down the port and into the center of the space station. It isn’t like the exhaust port was a self-destruct button.
Agreed. The port was also ray shielded and the Rebels needed the plans to even be aware of it.
Predator is a timeless classic.
I can imagine the Falcon having once looked like that, but the idea that Han and Chewie managed to practically destroy the interior in just 10 years does seem to be more than a stretch.
I get that they are probably total slobs and have had to make a lot of emergency repairs, but… damn!
Also, I would expect Lando to be shocked by its dilapidated appearance in Empire.
That line of Vader’s makes me think of Matthew 17:20:
He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
Technically anything would be possible through the Force, it’s the fabric of the universe after all, but actually mastering it to that level is another thing entirely. At least that’s how I’ve always understood it.
If they really respected Lucas, they would’ve considered his ideas for the new films🤔
Exactly.
Either Pablo doesn’t know what he’s talking about, or Lucas made sure there was a stipulation in the Disney contracts that they weren’t allowed to alter the OT or the PT.
From a business perspective it makes sense that Disney would only really care about the creation of new media, and George was always careful about maintaining final cut on his films.
Really highlights what the problem with SEs and prequels is, too. George really didn’t change at all. I think this also shows that he stubbornly felt he was right all along. See how the trade talk pops back up in TPM’s crawl. Honestly surprised he didn’t make further changes in the SEs to return the film to its original version.
Still makes me wonder if the prequels couldn’t be redeemed if given to actually talented editors.
NOTE: I’m not talking about a mere fan edit, but editors being supplied with all shot material and even a budget to complete or undo special effects. Obviously you’re not going to be able to fix bad performances and bad casting, but I could see them being restructured into something approaching a competent film.
Hey, if you don’t like the special editions don’t buy 'em. No sense complaining. Free market and all.
Oh, wait…
The only one who doesn’t seem to know about the Force is Luke, which makes sense seeing as how he lived out in the middle of nowhere and was probably heavily sheltered by Owen and Beru.
Luke is apparently somewhat familiar with the Jedi,though. He doesn’t bat an eye when Ben says he was once a Jedi. It’s only when Ben mentions the Force that Luke expresses a lack of knowledge.
The Rebellion obviously still holds the Jedi in high regard and even uses the phrase “May the Force be with you”. Even Imperials like Motti don’t actually deny the existence of the Force.
Han is a Doubting Thomas, but I don’t see anything unreasonable about that even with the prequels in mind. As others have said, it’s a big galaxy and it’s unlikely he ever saw a Jedi in action.
Luke’s robo hand has the blaster damage from Jedi. Nice.
I’m pretty sure Lucas said somewhere that the pod race had its origins in an abandoned idea for the first film. Makes sense with Lucas’s love of racing.
Also, doubleofive is spot on with the subtle narrative going on with Luke’s piloting experience on Tatooine naturally transitioning into the trench run.
Kind of annoys me when people make fun of the exhaust port being a weak point when the whole idea is that a normal pilot, even using a computer, would never have made the shot. It wasn’t as glaring an oversight on the Empire’s part as some people try to make it out to be.
I don’t remember where I read it, but supposedly Lucas did set aside some of Jedi’s budget to “complete” the Jabba scene in Star Wars. He even initially asked the art department to design Jabba in such a way that he could be more easily composited into the scene. Obviously the idea was abandoned.
I’m willing to meet Lucas halfway on the Jabba thing. I do think he wanted an alien creature in that scene, but the idea was dropped by the time it came to actually shooting it.