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#1577198
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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Doctor M said:

Something to throw out there.
Here is screenshots from the UHD 4k release and the Central-Eastern European standard BD.
As I mention in the first post, Aladdin had enhancements/reanimation done for an IMAX release that never happened. I THOUGHT there was no digital release of the original master, but now I’m wondering:

What do you mean by the original master exactly? Is there any differences I’m supposed to notice outside of the colors and aspect ratio, just curious?

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#1543018
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Scooby-Doo! and the Witch's Ghost - DVD Upscale
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Interesting project you got there and I certainly agree the new color grading from the WEB version looks off, but also, we can’t act like the original DVD is perfect either in that regard, especially when it comes to shadow detail and black crunch. If possible, is there anyway you can adjust the shadows and such to make it easier to see backgrounds and some details while still appearing dark and warm?

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#1542962
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Toy Story (1995)– 4K 35mm Scan [WIP– Donations Still Needed!!]
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TonyWDA said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

Going back to the other topic of 5.1 audio, another option, although unfortunately not for a lot of movies, is to use the Cinema DTS audio. 1995 would be far enough back for this film to have one.

I’m almost certain that Toy Story never played anywhere with Cinema DTS audio in '95, but it did receive a DTS LaserDisc. If someone can arrange a bit-perfect capture of the soundtrack, it’d be a terrific addition to this project.

Wait a minute, after checking the credits, you’re fucking right. Still less weird then the fact that Happy Gilmore getting a DTS Laserdisc period, but still though…

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#1541743
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Beauty and the beast : French Original Dub and Opening Title + Color Timing + Original Background (WIP)
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Hi, the UHD version have better compression and more detail than the BD 2D version. The colors are also better.
For make an “ultimate” version, this is the best version to use despite the flaws that UHD has.

I would combine UHD with Blu-Ray 3D scenes which have more visible image.

And I have a 35mm scan project that will allow me to share (for donors) a 35mm grindhouse version, but also to recover 2 scenes that have been modified on BD/UHD/3D and integrate them into my custom UHD project .

The modified UHD version is intended to be shared with everyone, but if people participate in the 35mm project, the modified UHD version will move faster too 😃

I see where you’re coming from and just hoping this all goes well. Also, kinda unrelated but since you have “French original dub” in the title, which implies this got redubbed, what’s the difference between the two French dubs?

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#1541459
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Beauty and the beast : French Original Dub and Opening Title + Color Timing + Original Background (WIP)
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Interesting project you got going, though if I had to make a suggestion, if you’re converting the 4K footage from SDR back to SDR, why not just use the regular 2D Blu-ray footage which can save you the trouble?

Also, I’m curious as to which sources you’re using for this project in order to see how close to accuracy that can be achieved here.

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#1540923
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Preserving numerous Disney movies (as well as the several releases for them)
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So… Even though a ton of movies from Disney Animation (primarly the one’s released from 1937-1997) are easily accessible nowadays via Blu-ray, 4K, and streaming, many of these movies have numerous alterations and/or revisions over the years that have stuck on without an option to see these movies as how they were originally seen in theaters (at least, as close as you can).

For some of these movies, there’s more then one major version with extra changes to them that are a pain to do and should be acknowledged more than you probably think they need to.

This is why I plan on hunting out several versions of these movies either on home media or through higher quality and/or HDTV airings of them to provide definitive (at least in your guys’ eyes) versions along with additional versions for people to decide on their preferred version of these movies.

Here’s a rundown on the one’s that need to be looked for:
~ Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs (either the 1994 Laserdisc release or any decent quality release official or unofficial pre-2001)
~ Bambi (any pre-2011 Diamond Edition release or TV airing is appreciated)
~ Alice in Wonderland (any pre-2011 Blu-ray release or airing or any materials are appreciated if found and sent over via PM)
~ Peter Pan (same applies from the predecessor)
~ Lady and The Tramp (This one’s tricky as any non-widescreen release has been either in pan-and-scan or reframed and edited for the academy ratio. Just in case, any and all pre-2011 Diamond releases regardless of the aspect ratio they’re in are welcomed as long as you clarify which release or version they’re in)
~ Sleeping Beauty (Any pre-2008 DVD or Blu-ray release or airing is appreciated)
~ The Jungle Book (Any pre-2007 Platinum Edition DVD release is appreciated)
~ The Aristocrats (Any pre-2012 release is appreciated
~ Robin Hood (Any home media release or TV airing pre-2012 is appreciated)
~ The Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh
• individually as it’s a packed film of previously released shorts, “Winnie The Pooh and The Hunny Tree”, Winnie The Pooh and The Blustery Day", and “Winnie The Pooh and Tigger Too” (any pre-2013 release or airing is appreciated)
~ The Little Mermaid (any and all home media releases or airings, aside from the 2019 4K Edition, are appreciated
~ Beauty and The Beast (this one is an entire beast of itself, no pun intended, but any and all non-4K releases and their extra cuts are appreciated)
~ Aladdin (same as the last two)
~ Lion King (same as follows)
~ Hercules (any pre-2013 release or airing is appreciated)

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#1539743
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Toy Story (1995)– 4K 35mm Scan [WIP– Donations Still Needed!!]
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TristAndShout64 said:

AwesomeJ said:

zerocool said:

im 100% sure it will too. just gotta find someone who can do a CC 😉

He mentioned that the thing has a pinkish tint to it, I’m sure there’s probably some way to fix that using Adobe Premiere or something possibly, but I don’t use Premiere so I’m not entirely sure.

Yeah, it’s noticeable but pretty slight and I imagine we can color correct it if we have to. That’s assuming it really is pink, one person who DM’ed me suggested it might just be the person’s camera lighting, though I’m not too sure how likely that is.

Anyways, here are the pics from the eBay listing where you can see what I’m talking about (you can also see these in the link I included in the FAQ). Make of them what you will!

Oof, I can definitely tell there’s a pink tint, though it doesn’t seem that aggressive.

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#1539430
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Toy Story (1995)– 4K 35mm Scan [WIP– Donations Still Needed!!]
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TonyWDA said:

A friendly reminder that with any mix— Dolby Digital or analog— on the actual print itself, you’re likely getting the “far field” version of the soundtrack, with mixing choices and dynamic range better suited for listening in large auditoriums. In contrast, that same mix is typically adjusted for “near field” listening in significantly smaller environments for the film’s home video release. The former mix is prepared knowing it will play from speakers a considerable distance from the listener(s); it also considers the architectural impact of the soundtrack in that room to give the audience a full, reflected acoustic effect. The latter is more direct and sometimes may even sound more detailed— or, at least, unmarred by the aural impact of a large auditorium because you’re sitting much closer to speakers with smaller drivers in a smaller room.

Neither is necessarily better or worse than the other (not always, anyway…). Still, it’s always best to consider the differences between what’s on a print and what typically ends up on the home video release. An excellent example of everything mentioned here can be heard in Aladdin’s theatrical and home video versions. In the scene where the Cave of Wonders begins to fall apart, the differences in the intensity of the sound effects are night and day. Pay particular attention to the moment when the lamp shrine bursts into flames. Not even the LaserDisc audio, an otherwise fine track all around, sounds that aggressive. You can hear the DVD/35mm audio comparison here:

All this is to say yes, you will want to include the analog track— for posterity if nothing else. =)

HOLY SHIT, THE 35MM MIX IS AGGRESSIVE AND DETAILED AS HELL!! Sorry for that freakout, but God damn, that mix sounded amazing on my headphones right now.

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#1530869
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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JF_Sanderson said:

Yes I could be wrong but I thought that one or more movies were re-rendered for fullscreen with characters repositioned accordingly to suit the framing, not just the camera reframed in general. If it’s true then I’m sure it varies by shot with the minimum amount of work possible. Feel free to post any caps.

Edit. Also in this vein, were any releases actually done from film prints or were they all done from master digital files to NTSC? If they can put it on film they can put it on video, I don’t see why they’d use the in-between.

Okay, the only one officially confirmed by Pixar themselves where they reposition objects or characters to fit the screen was for the 4:3 versions is for Bugs Life (optional on the 2003 2-Disc DVD). On Disc 2 for the 2003 DVD, they made a bonus feature about it and compared it next to the Theatrical widescreen version. The only other movie where I’ve noticed repositioning is for Cars but only for like the opening like for the front graphic effects like when they’re showing clips of the characters alongside the race and that news scene where McQueen is missing. Otherwise, I haven’t seen any repositioning for any of the other Pixar movies.

Also, to answer your other question, all of these 4x3 releases on DVD are from the digital files, not film reels. If we were talking in general though, the only one that wasn’t from the digital files was Toy Story for the original 1996 VHS release, instead based off a film element for it’s source.

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#1530803
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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JF_Sanderson said:

Am I misremembering or are there unique 4:3 and 16:9 versions of some Pixar movies?

I’m not sure what you mean by unique specifically, but I’ve noticed with many Pixar movies from 1998-2006 (with the exception of The Incredibles), the 4:3 versions only on DVD would be reframed to be closer to the left or right, show more of the top and bottom image, pan and scan here and there, etc. Took some screenshots of the Fullscreen version to the 2001 (reprint of 2000) DVD to Toy Story 2 to compare it to the normal widescreen version for comparison if you’d like to see.

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#1530677
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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ThatPixarGuy said:

jay2chill1 said:

The Decimator said:

jay2chill1 said:

jolennon said:

The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.

Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc

When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).

I Have the 2005 DVD which is the one I grew up with and the Laserdisc do you know what’s the difference between the 2005 Special Edition DVD and The Special Edition Blu-Ray by any chance just curious

The 2005 DVD and the Special Edition Blu-ray are very different.

The 2005 is a nearly identical transfer to the original DVD release, which was sourced from the original animation files, unlike the VHS and laserdisc. While the Special Edition Blu-ray is a re-render of the film made for the 3D release in 2009, which had a logo plastering (new Disney castle,) different colors, animation fixes, redone credits, etc.

This applies to both Toy Story 1 & 2. The 2005s are the best presentations of the original 95/99 renders (slightly higher bitrates,) while the Blu-rays are the 09 re-renders.

Hold up right here! What do you mean exactly by “animation fixes” specifically? I’ve reviewed many releases of this movie and haven’t seen a single piece of animation witin the movie redone, even animation goofs and mistakes. I’d like to see some photographic and video evidence of what you mean exactly between the pre-2010 and 2010 releases.

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#1476795
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changes to lion king IMAX release
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Just on a semi-correction on your list, we don’t exactly know how much the colors were regraded, if at all, for the 20002 IMAX/2003 DVD version. All we do know so far is converting CAPS files to 35mm prints in 1994 were always gonna look inaccurate to said CAPS files to begin with, add an extra layer of converting that 35mm print and reprint it multiple times and replayed multiple to where it will wear out over time, and convert the 35mm version they have to a composite signal laserdisc master, it’s not easy to say if the theatrical run was accurate to begin with. Although I will say comparing the 2002 IMAX/2003 DVD version (which is the first time we see the CAPS files as is) to the 1995 laserdisc and I gotta say a good chunk of the colors in that version match (with exceptions) and comparing those two versions to the 2011 Blu-ray, it seems the color regrading was really starting there.

1995 Deluxe CAV letterboxed Laserdisc
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/680384972527501314/955493693358485504/Screenshot_20220321-0836292.png
2002 IMAX/2003 Special Edition DVD (although through a TV airing)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/680384972527501314/955493693681451058/Screenshot_20220321-0829394.png
2011 Diamond Edition Blu-ray
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/680384972527501314/955493694033789028/Screenshot_20220321-0826042.png

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#1476735
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Lion King Theatrical unaltered version recreated and remastered (W.I.P. at the moment)
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On iTunes? Do you got proof of that? And if so, has anyone ripped the iTunes version yet? Because I don’t have iTunes myself and I see no one talk about that version really. Sorry that I’m questioning this so much but iTunes is the least likely I’d expect to see as a source for the restoration and lack of recognition or documentation upon it. Hopefully I can see that version and see if that could be used if it really is in 1:66.1 uncropped.

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#1476614
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Lion King Theatrical unaltered version recreated and remastered (W.I.P. at the moment)
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Oh THANK YOU!!! I’d love to see the print immediately, but first, I need to know what condition is it exactly beyond just “not perfect”? Does it have any scratches, cigar marks, splices, what are we talking here? I hope it’s nothing too severe and can be taken care of, as well as what aspect ratio are we talking with this print. Because from what I’m aware of, the theatrical and Laserdisc intended aspect ratio is 1:85.1, matted from the original CAPS 1:66.1 (as seen in the 2003 DVD) and as I’ve seen from 35mm scans to Disney animated movies from the 80’s and 90’s, they seem to be open matte-ish only to have a soft matte for theaters to take care of (and some being hard mattes), I wouldn’t mind either aspect ratio although kind of ironic for what the project is for, I’d prefer if the print would be 1:66.1 uncropped for the project but that wouldn’t mean I won’t give the option for 1:85.1.

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#1473477
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Jungle Book (1967) 35mm Preservation! (Help needed!) (a WIP)
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Looks great, although I have a few curious questions regarding this project as well as how will it be seen when it’s finished and released:

  1. What resolution did you scan the prints in?
  2. Will these be released in 4K (2160p)?
  3. Did you do any color corrections yet? If so, what exactly are you planning to achieve with the colors and what will be your reference?
  4. Are these prints from any rerelease over the years or are they from the first theatrical release?
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#1465791
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Lion King Theatrical unaltered version recreated and remastered (W.I.P. at the moment)
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TonyWDA, I’d wish I can compare and contrast myself to see what you mean for myself but there’s a couple of issues preventing me from doing so and one of the reasons I’m calling for the help of others:

  1. I no longer own the 2003 DVD as I lost it years ago and the rip of the 2003 DVD uploaded on Archive.org are MP4’s with 192kps AAC audio codecs, which are below the 448kps of the raw you said, so I’ll have to either save up til I buy myself a new copy of the DVD in good condition somewhere or you could rip the 2003 DVD and send the files over to a Google Drive link for me to download and listen to myself

  2. Although it would be possible for me to compare the stereo soundtracks between DVD and Laserdisc, what wouldn’t be as possible, at least as of the time I’m typing this message around this point in my life, is comparing the 5.1 surround soundtracks as I have absolutely 0 surround sound setups right now or anywhere close to me so until that’s taken care of, I’m just gonna take your word on the surround track while I still need to listen to the stereo tracks

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#1465645
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Lion King Theatrical unaltered version recreated and remastered (W.I.P. at the moment)
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I’m aware the 2017 Signature Collection Blu-ray (and its 2018 4K counterpart of the same name) fixed Mufasa’s spirit clouds which is why I plan to use that version when I edit that scene someday. Other than that, the 2017 version seems identical to the 2011 Diamond Edition Blu-ray

As for the 2003 audio, I’m not sure as DVD audio is usually compressed (especially in stereo) and I want to use lossless sources in terms of audio in both Stereo and 5.1 surround (I’m aware there’s 7.1 but that was never in the theatrical version and was added to the 2011 Blu ray and 2017). Unless you provide me proof either the stereo or 5.1 surround options of the DVD version are lossless, high quality, and match the original theatrical sound mixing, I have no plans on using any DVD audio for the movie.