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#116515
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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I am a STAR WARS Fan, I am entitled to be a fan of Episodes 4 - 6. I have every right to post my opinions here, and I am quite aware that my opinions have been mentioned countless times by others, but I am here to bring them into discussion with episodes 4 - 6 in mind. (If you have not noticed, I will never say Prequel Trilogy or Original Trilogy because I do not believe in those terms in STAR WARS)
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#116506
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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I am quite aware of the MIX of the 2004 force fanfare on the attack of the death star scene. It is not the end of the film that bothers me, just the first 40 MIN. Also some scenes with Vader and Tarkin that could have used some dreaded evil style John Williams music.

I think Jake Lloyd played Anakin well. You see this nice kid, and when he falls to darth vader...it is much more Tragic. You know he could have been good, you knew he could have been nice, he yeleld "Yippee!!!" he was happy...now look at him, just a puppet of evil with no heart and is more machine than man.


As for Jabba, well the suprise thing is done since you meet him in Episode 1. You get to See Jabba in Episode 4 and know who this guy is and why he is after Solo in episode 4. He tells Solo "I will put a price so big on your head, every bounty hunter in the universe will be after you" and is that not what him and Vader do? I think the scene also adds to Solo's badass factor (Lets be honest, Jabba is a worm...so do not even justify him being a badass...he has baddass's do his "badass" work for him)


They should add every scene in Episode 1 except for the waterfall scene (it is the only Jar Jar deleted scene) so it would add more time without Jar Jar. I personally have no Problem with JarJar, but that would please many people and that would be a good thing. Jar Jar fans get to keep their JarJar and JarJar haters get to get more time without him.

Episode 2 should show the deleetd scenes with Anakin and Padme at her house. It will Add more to their love and make it more tragic when ti ends, as well as the other deleted scenes.


I really hope he adds the Greedo Scene in Episode 1. It will show Anakin being bad at least once in Episode 1, and be a funny thing to have since Greedo does meet a "Bad End" like it is told to him in Episode 1.

Now that we are talking about Greedo, Solo flinching or not, it still makes him a badass. It shows he can move his head as easily as that! and BAM! End Greedos Pathetic life that failed at killing solo a first try, and solo kills him a first try.



I would not call the way I approach STAR WARS "Passion" at all. I only take the movies for what they are and what they are/will become. Instead of holding onto memories, I build new ones.
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#116491
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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I would like to take this discussion into another discussion.

If Lucas is to do a "final" edit in 2007, I say he at least does this.




Everything is the way it was in the 2004 edit

But with Color corrections, betterquality of picture (u can still kind of tell it looks out dated, I think Lowry held back and only cleaned it up 1/4 of what they are gonna do in the 30th anniversary purposely so the anniversary would look nice and have lots of people who are fans of episodes 1 - 3 go buy it)

Episode 4 has more music (John Williams is the best music composer next to Howard Shore)

Possible scene in Episode 4 with Palpatine disolving the senate on Coruscant (it would be a short scene, so if he could do it with as little CGI...that would be great because I know the nerdy fans would flame this great film to no end if it had tons of CGI, I would like to see CGI though)

Flame me all you want for this one...but I wanna see Qui Gon at least. If your gonna have HC..why not throw in Qui Gons crazy ass..now its a party. After all...Qui Gon did trigger alot of this stuff in STAR WARS.


In Episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 Either add a Puppet Yoda to all scenes (of course except the fighting scenes) or a CGI Yoda. I want Lucas to stick with 1 version of yoda that seems to AGE over the course of thing, not look old, young, old. If he wants to use his Mitichlorion BS..then use the CGI yoda. Using CGI is alot easier to chage dialogue with, than with a puppet (DUH) And possibly add Talk of Qui Gon or Mace or something.

ROTJ Should end showing the JEDI Ghost after it shows the rebels and landos absurred clapping dance, since the series did start with them.

Episode 4 could also use some CGI X-Wings and Tie Fighters in the big space battle of the death star (Not for the take off or approach, that is too classic, but in the background at least)


Episodes 1 and 2 should have every deleted scene integrated into them and episode 3 should add scenes with ObiWan and Anakin acting like friends at the beginning parts.

STAR WARS Would be complete IMHO And George Lucas would have no need to change them ever again.
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#116489
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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My Favorite Saber Fights go in this Order.


1. Episodes 3's Yoda/Emperor & ObiWan/AniVader (I count that as 1 saber fight, since they happen at the same time)

2. Luke Vs. Vader in Episode 5

And #3 was hard to pick over Mace vs. Palpatine (Mace Windu has became my favorite character) and The Darth Maul fight.

3. Episode 1's Darth Maul/ ObiWan & Qui Gon



EDIT: I can be called the Bill O'Reilly of STAR WARS (Even though I am Liberal)

I like to remove the spin on things that Fans and Haters like to put on STAR WARS, and Interpret things the way I see them and hear Lucas say/do.
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#116486
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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Episode 1 does have the most rehashes of Episdoes 4 - 6 as far as music goes. Episode 2 stands out to have mainly its own themes and Episode 3 has only 1 rehash from episodes 1 - 3 (The Duel Of Fates song seen in the Yoda/Emperor fight)

If my memory serves me correctly, It is the song they use in Corscant when Padme/queen amidala and the gang arrive. It is found in Episode 5 when Lando is introducing the gang to Cloud City.

I do not know why I paid attention to this, I am just bringing it up since we got on the subject of Musical Scores for STAR WARS


Something I would like to randomly bring up though is that I have noticed people online saying the Obi Wan / AniVader fight was just for glimmer and eye candy. I have this statement to provide my case on why the Obi Wan / AniVader fight is actually the best fight in STAR WARS


The point of the twirly-thing was that they both were looking for a point of attack and couldn't find one until they both went for the SAME one - resulting in a saber lock, which prompted both to attempt a force push, which also happened simultaneously. (Anakin and Obi-Wan often do similar twirly spins into attacks - it re-forms your grip while you look for the perfect strike zone.)

The overall point was the tragedy of how well they new each other's styles and how similar they could be.

It should be obvious.
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#116484
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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The first 40 min. to me could have used more music (mainly the droid sequences) But that is just me being a Film Director of the future, not a fan. As a Fan I will take STAR WARS For whatever way George Lucas gives it to me, it is his films and I will accept that.


I would have to say My Favorite Soundtrack for STAR WARS is Episode 2, closely followed by Episode 6 then 3.

I would also like to add that The song in Episode 5, The Theme for Cloud City, is also the same theem for coruscant in Episode 1.
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#116465
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116465/action/topic#116465
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"Ive never seen someone who ranked the original film as the worst"

Well meet Tony


But seriously, I love STAR WARS As a whole. I accept the films for what they are, I accept the changes for what they are, and I just know that when the 30th anniversary box set comes out, like a STAR WARS Fan...I will buy it, watch it, and enjoy STAR WARS.



September 16, 2004
Star Wars DVD Changes - Can We All Stop Whining Now?
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I proudly say that I am a Star Wars fanatic. I would go so far as to dub myself a Geek. First film I ever saw in the theater and the love affair continues even today. But something happens when fans love a piece of work as much as we Star Wars fans do... we start to feel as if we "own" it. This has never been so apparent than it has been since the announced changes to the original trilogy coming on DVD.

People have been irrational, upset, up in arms... why? Because Greedo gets off the first shot? Because they updated a Jabba scene (That Lucas originally planned on having in the movie when he first shot Star Wars by the way)? Because the younger Anakin is added as a ghost at the end? Ok, I may or may not like these changes... but it begs the question.... WHO THE HELL CARES!?!?!?!

I mean really people! These are small details. Most rational people would say "irrelevant" afterthoughts. None of these coming changes alters in anyway the story of Star Wars (which is it's heart and soul). None of these changes alter the film in any meaningful way... so what's the problem here? I can understand not liking it. Heck, I can even understand being a little miffed about it (I am). But come on!!! These are MINOR changes that only fans as passionate as us Star Wars fans would get obsessed about.

As much as we love these films... as much as they are a part of our childhood... there is one inescapable fact we can not aviod... THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM "OUR" FILMS. It's still Lucas' baby to do with as he pleases... and to be honest he hasn't really changed things all that much.

So lets just all calm down, take a deep breath, and talk about the movies, talk about the changes to the DVD's, talk about what we like and don't like about them. But let's stop the call to arms for a holy war just because for 2 seconds the Jedi Temple is added to the landscape shot of Coruscant. Uggg... ok... end rant.
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#116463
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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I will be honest with you all. My favorite Star Wars films go in this order.

1. Revenge Of The Sith
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. The Phantom Menace
4. Attack of The Clones
5. Return Of The Jedi
6. A New Hope


But in a sense, I like each movie equally. I have the same amount of Pros (give or take a few for certain films) as I do Cons. To bash 1 film in the STAR WARS Universe is pretty low, you either love STAR WARS, or you hate it. None of this inbetween "omg I can only watch Episodes 4 - 6" or "OMG I Can only watch Episodes 1 - 3" but as the above poster said, he likes episodes 3 - 5.

If I had to pick 3 to show somebody first, I would pick Episodes 1 - 3.
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#116460
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116460/action/topic#116460
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I just think that lucas doing this whole adding on thing to the PT is great. I do disagree with him on some things. the 1997 thing was a great way to bring alot of people back before he did Episode 1, but releasing stuff in 2004,just 3 years away from its 30th anniversary is greedy. I think there should have just been the 1977 - 1983, 1997, and the 30th anniversary cuts. Nothing more, nothing less.

But what else would you call a person that refuses change? Conservative is not the right choice of word in this arguement, stubborn is more like it. I just think that The fans of STAR WARS take Things too far. They dress up as characters, they re-enact the epic battles, and it is not like it is young children, I am talking the guys that are in their 30's and over. George Lucas is a geek, and he is a geek over his films, but the way his fans obsess over his films...and bash him, well I mean...you kind of cannot blame the guy for being the @$$clown that he has become. George Lucas is a good man deep down inside...greedy maybe (He is a democrat, so it is not like he can be that greedy for tax cuts) But at least he is making money doing what he wants. Alot of people bash Episodes 1 - 3, but I know that they are the same eople who went out and saw the films more than once, the hardcore "nerds" shall I say. I saw each film from Episodes 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3 at least twice. I am not ashamed George Lucas got my money, it takes alot for a movie to make me go back and see it a second time, especially a 3rd or 4th.

We all need to be greatful Episodes 1 - 3 came (if your a STAR WARS fan that is) because now it is over, and if you want to go see movies with actors like The Aviator or Any crap Jenifer Lopex produces out of her ass...hell even Vin Deisel....then you will see the bad acting and dialogue. Bash Episodes 1 - 3 for its acting, but we do not go to STAR WARS For its acting. If you want to see bad acting, rent that Vin Deisel film or house of wax when they come out.


I also agree with "if it aint broke, then dont fix it" But STAR WARS is STAR WARS. It does not fit right with Episodes 1 - 3. This all goes back to my theory on if Epsiodes 1 - 3 Came ou in the 70's and 80's....you guys would not bash them all...but bash Episodes 4 - 6 That came out in the 90's and 2000's. If Anakin was played by a teen in 1983, you would have no problem with it. STAR WARS Fans just carry the mentality as to like and only love the first thing they witness, not its clone or change. I tend to believe that, if things can look good visually (Have the Spectacular visuals as episodes 1 - 3) and the story Episdoes 4 - 6 have...then you cannot get any better than that.

Do your selves a favor, I promise you if your a STAR WARS Fan, if you own a HD-TV or a wide screen with a decent audio. Go out and buy the 30th anniversary box SET, Watch Episodes 1 - 6 in one week (if u can do it in 1 sitting in 1 day...then god bless you) and enjoy STAR WARS. I am just here to help fellow STAR WARS Fans enjoy and open up to the greatest Movie series of all time.

I have watched Episodes 1 - 6 all on my Wide screen (I cannot discuss how I saw episode 3, you all know why) and It was breath taking experience me and my buddies had. I had some friends who are sutbborn episodes 4 - 6 fans, and some stubborn 1 - 3 fans. But in the end, we all realised how Great STAR WARS is when you make it into a whole, not 2 seperate trilogys.
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#116418
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Why such hate on the OT DVD set?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116418/action/topic#116418
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As for the Anakin ghost thing, the whole point of being redeemed is that when you die as a Sith reborn Jedi, you go back to the physical form representing the JEDI you were before you took the Sith transformation. If Anakin was played by a young actor in 1983 then I am sure none of you would have this problem. I think it is just a mentality thing most STAR WARS Fans have because they grew up on this, like I said before. We need to stop being greedy ourselves and claiming the series as our own, it is everybodys film and if Lucas wants to alter the images of Episodes 4 - 6 Because he wants the new generation and generations to come to enjoy it, then let him. He in no way alters the story, only in your mind does he do it and that is why the hardcore fans should have their mental capacity checked out by a professional psychiatrist.

If luke is the JEDI Knight he claimed him self to be, as well as Yoda says he will be after he confrotns Vader, Then Luke will know of the ability to see The JEDI when they learned Qui Gons new ability, and Understand through the Force who that young man Is. If you are an JEDI And do not know anything about the JEDI Dying as he becomes a Sith thing (as I stated in the above paragraph) Then you are no JEDI Knight/ JEDI Master, Just a padawan learner. We all know Luke is at Least a JEDI Knight, so why even act like he would not know about all that stuff? Do not try to make STAR WARS Something that it is not.
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#116416
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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In responce to what you said, Anakin watching the death of Qui Gon would have been alot better in Episode1. I would have done that instead and have somebody else destroy the TF Space station.

As for the PodRace, I would actually like them to add the deleted lap 2 scene to the race. The Race looks really nice with a wide screen and the volume turned up.

Pretty much adding all the deleted scenes to Episode 1 and Episode 2 would be a good thing for Lucas to do in the final edit. (Episode 3 should not be touched, I have seen pictures of the Deleted scenes and they do the movie no justic and make it less dark)



As for Mitichlorions, Why not have them? They are never defined as the Force it self. They were Qui Gons way of explaining living matter in a way a 9 year old could comprehend much easier. Sidious took advantage of this, he could create matter...but he could not create the force. Nobody can define how powerful the force can become in a person, The sith could only create...it was a gamble, the Force took tis chance and was with Anakin very strongly.


HC Was a great person to replace Jake. If you se Jake at the end of episode 1 with his hair cut, he looks just like HC does in Episode 2.

The actor of Obi Wan in Episodes 1 - 3 is the perfct choice and his acting in Episode 3 really makes you believe he will become Alec Guiness (I believe this, as well as many other fans I have spoken with INOHO)


As for the R2D2 Thing, the man was reading it off the paper and it was bringing out character and emotion in the mans voice. If you have seen any war movis, you will notice at ceremonys that when they read off a heros name...It annouced slowly to the minister/king/ etc. etc.


I think that if Episodes 1 - 3 came out in 1977 - 1983 and Episodes 4 - 6 came out from 1999 - 2005 than evrybody would be hating on Episodes 4 - 6. Most STAR WARS Fans try to make the movies into something they are not, and that is why the lose the magic of the films. When the FINAL 30TH ANNIVERSARY EDIT comes out, do your self a favor as a STAR WARS fan. Watch Episodes 1 - 6 the way George Lucas suggest people watch them. Have a week to do this, then on the 7th day fo the week, think about the movies and come to the conclusion of what you just watch. I am sure that if you are a STAR WARS Fan, that would be 1 week that would be the best week in STAR WARS Movis you could have.

This is all in my honest opinion.


As for the Anakin ghost thing, the whole point of being redeemed is that when you die as a Sith reborn Jedi, you go back to the physical form representing the JEDI you were before you took the Sith transformation. If Anakin was played by a young actor in 1983 then I am sure none of you would have this problem. I think it is just a mentality thing most STAR WARS Fans have because they grew up on this, like I said before. We need to stop being greedy ourselves and claiming the series as our own, it is everybodys film and if Lucas wants to alter the images of Episodes 4 - 6 Because he wants the new generation and generations to come to enjoy it, then let him. He in no way alters the story, only in your mind does he do it and that is why the hardcore fans should have their mental capacity checked out by a professional psychiatrist.

Also it is not our choice to say what the generations to come will enjoy, it is the movie creators. I am a young Film director my self who will be attending UCLA next semister, I do not think George Lucas is ruining STAR WARS. The man clearly has issues, but when it comes to STAR WARS, It is his creation and as long as he does not change the stories, just the way it is presented, then I support him 110% of the way as a Fan, and a fellow Movie Goer/creator.
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#116406
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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116406/action/topic#116406
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I am not here to provoke any type of flame war, just intelligent conversation. I notice that STAR WARS Fans use terms such as PT or OT to define the films. I think if we all just start calling STAR WARS....just that, what it reall is (STAR WARS) and not "PT THAT SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE CGI" or "OT RULES BECAUSE I GREW UP WITH IT" Then it will be easier to keep STAR WARS As a whole.


I think that George Lucas does the things he does, like change the OOT To this new film, because he deep down cares about the fans (bare with me)

He wants to connect the OOT fans with the PT and bring STAR WARS Together as a whole. Maybe if us fans, the ones who made STAR WARS Such a great success that it is today, quit being selficious and dislike the films for legit reasons and quit acting as if they are in a different universe (PT AND OT) then maybe we can all enjoy STAR WARS Alot more.

Sure owning the OOT on DVD would be a nice thing for George Lucas to do, but it is not the end of STAR WARS if he does not. We grew up on the OOT (some of us) and I Think it is time for us to let the New generation, and generations to come, enjoy STAR WARS. STAR WARS are great films, and if you really believe STAR WARS Is great, you will not leta few adjustments that "rape your childhood" get in the way of it being a great Series.

If you hate Episode 1 because of Jar Jar binks, chances are that you are an adult...and that is natural. If you hate it because it does not Have Vader, Luke, or Solo...then that is just silly.

As for HC being in Episode 6...if you were any type of STAR WARS Fan, you would know that when a Jedi Becomes a sith, he dies both Spiritually and Physically (IE The Eyes and color of skin)

Greedo shooting first adds more to Han Solo's badass feel (please bare with me yet again)
Han never flinches, so it shows how calm and cool he is and then shoots right away at Greedo. Greedo Misses his first shot, Han does not. This shows Han being the better of the 2.


Showing Jabba early on in the series in Episode 4...is not taking the suprise away from what Jabba is a silly statement. Jabba is shown in Episode 1 and has to be. Jabba runs most of that area of Tatooine, and it is natural for him to be seen at the Pod Race. Having Jabba in episode 4 is a good thing IMHO.


Bash this, Flame me, all you want. But I am a STAR WARS Fan, not an OT fan, or a PT fan.


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#116402
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Why such hate on the OT DVD set?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116402/action/topic#116402
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I personally like the new OT DVD set more than the OOT. The first time I ever saw STAR WARS Was back in 1977 and I loved it. I have seen every STAR WARS Film on its release day / night since then. I like the new DVD versions alot better than the OOT and 1997. My reasons being are because I can watch Episode 1 - 6 When ROTS Comes out this fall on DVD, and everything shall fall into place perfectly. I think adding HC to ROTJ Is actually a wise thing to do. A jedi dies when s/he falls to the darkside, and Anakins body was pretty messed up after Obi-Wan gave him the fight of his life. I think that it makes better sense to have HC as Anakin in ROTJ.

When It comes to Greedo shooting first, I do not mind. It makes Han Solo look like a bigger badass I think. It is like Han never flinched and kept his cool then killed Greedo in just 1 shot. Han shooting first just makes him look like a jackass who is not calm and cool and does not do well under pressure, IMHO.

Having Padme die in ROTS Is also a good thing I like, If you watch ROTJ and listen to what look has to say about his mother, then you will understand more.

Jedi Rocks is kind of cheesey, but It does not take away from the story so I do not mind.

My only real problems with the DVD set is that The Lightsabers look dull and need to be corrected, The DeathStar battle in Episode 4 is the only thing that actually needs CGI. I mean come on lucas, if you are going to use CGI..add X-wings and Tie-Fighters duking it out. I also would not mind the Intro sequence in Episode 4 being CGI, The flames need some work on, along with all the laser blast in Episode 4 & 5.

Things I ask for in the next edit are for more Music to be placed into Episode 4 (some of the scenes, even in 1977 to me just seemed so bland)



When the 30th Anniversary comes out, it would be nice to see Episodes 1 - 6 to be like this.




Everything is the way it was in the 2004 edit

But with Color corrections, betterquality of picture (u can still kind of tell it looks out dated)

Episode 4 has more music (John Williams is the best music composer next to Howard Shore)

Possible scene in Episode 4 with Palpatine disolving the senate on Coruscant (it would be a short scene, so if he could do it with as little CGI...that would be great because I know the herdy fans would flame this great film to no end if it had tons of CGI, I would like to see CGI though)

Flame me all you want for this one...but I wanna see Qui Gon at least. If your gonna have HC..why not throw in Qui Gons crazy ass..now its a party. After all...Qui Gon did trigger alot of this stuff in STAR WARS.


In Episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 Either add a Puppet Yoda to all scenes (of course except the fighting scenes) or a CGI Yoda. I want Lucas to stick with 1 version of yoda that seems to AGE over the course of thing, not look old, young, old. If he wants to use his Mitichlorion BS..then use the CGI yoda. Using CGI is alot easier to chage dialogue with, than with a puppet (DUH) And possibly add Talk of Qui Gon or Mace or something.

ROTJ Should end showing the JEDI Ghost after it shows the rebels and landos absurred clapping dance, since the series did start with them.


I think after the 30th Anniversary EDIT, Lucas should no longer change the films. Hopefully he will have them to the point he can watch Episodes 1 - 6 and be content with himself.