Tobomm

illuvatar said:

Prodrummer1603 said:

RogerMan said:

Wouldn’t it have been easier and better to take the already edited cinema version, which I think looks really good, and create an extended edition from it by inserting the missing scenes, etc.?

The 4k-dremastered theatrical edition looks good. But there are still many issues, like DNR, lack of detail and softness. Only so much DrDre can do with suboptimal source material. The extended cut looks sharper and more detailed. The only issue: the color grading.

Since the color grading of the theatrical cut and extended cut are massively different (colors and contrast) it would be painful work to insert the extended scenes and match them with the theatrical cut so that you don’t see the change. Plus I bet you can still see the changes in detail and sharpness.

Imo, for the extended cut for Fellowship the dwalin and 44hr1n color corrected edition is best. Picture quality and grain on that is perfect.

The theatrical editions are at issue though. Both the 2009 or so bluray and DrDre’s upscale of those have great color, but they are overly DNR’d and too smooth. Then there are the 35mm ones, which are pretty great but a bit too scratchy at times.
Anyone have an idea if there’s another theatrical edition that’s better than all these?
Imo the perfect theatrical edition would be the Extended HD Bluray color corrected by dwalin and 44hr1n but recut back to theatrical.

My problem with the dwalin and 44hr1n color corrected edits is that they are low bitrate, they mustve either lowered the bitrate through the regrading process or used a low quality source and it is especially noticeably on a 4k screen which is a shame.

illuvatar said:

Tobomm said:

illuvatar said:

Prodrummer1603 said:

RogerMan said:

Wouldn’t it have been easier and better to take the already edited cinema version, which I think looks really good, and create an extended edition from it by inserting the missing scenes, etc.?

The 4k-dremastered theatrical edition looks good. But there are still many issues, like DNR, lack of detail and softness. Only so much DrDre can do with suboptimal source material. The extended cut looks sharper and more detailed. The only issue: the color grading.

Since the color grading of the theatrical cut and extended cut are massively different (colors and contrast) it would be painful work to insert the extended scenes and match them with the theatrical cut so that you don’t see the change. Plus I bet you can still see the changes in detail and sharpness.

Imo, for the extended cut for Fellowship the dwalin and 44hr1n color corrected edition is best. Picture quality and grain on that is perfect.

The theatrical editions are at issue though. Both the 2009 or so bluray and DrDre’s upscale of those have great color, but they are overly DNR’d and too smooth. Then there are the 35mm ones, which are pretty great but a bit too scratchy at times.
Anyone have an idea if there’s another theatrical edition that’s better than all these?
Imo the perfect theatrical edition would be the Extended HD Bluray color corrected by dwalin and 44hr1n but recut back to theatrical.

Best thing would be if they just released the original prints of the movie like theyre doing with the original trilogy of star wars to their 50th anniversary in 2027, no fanproject comes even close quality wise

Well yeah of course, but that ain’t happening. They’re just dumping the bad 4Ks into theaters for the 25th anniversary. Maybe in another 25 years. Would also be nice if they give us the hours and hours of finished extra documantaries from Costa Botes that eere never released

When PJ is dead or they are desperate for money they might do it just like disney is doing with star wars now

illuvatar said:

Prodrummer1603 said:

RogerMan said:

Wouldn’t it have been easier and better to take the already edited cinema version, which I think looks really good, and create an extended edition from it by inserting the missing scenes, etc.?

The 4k-dremastered theatrical edition looks good. But there are still many issues, like DNR, lack of detail and softness. Only so much DrDre can do with suboptimal source material. The extended cut looks sharper and more detailed. The only issue: the color grading.

Since the color grading of the theatrical cut and extended cut are massively different (colors and contrast) it would be painful work to insert the extended scenes and match them with the theatrical cut so that you don’t see the change. Plus I bet you can still see the changes in detail and sharpness.

Imo, for the extended cut for Fellowship the dwalin and 44hr1n color corrected edition is best. Picture quality and grain on that is perfect.

The theatrical editions are at issue though. Both the 2009 or so bluray and DrDre’s upscale of those have great color, but they are overly DNR’d and too smooth. Then there are the 35mm ones, which are pretty great but a bit too scratchy at times.
Anyone have an idea if there’s another theatrical edition that’s better than all these?
Imo the perfect theatrical edition would be the Extended HD Bluray color corrected by dwalin and 44hr1n but recut back to theatrical.

Best thing would be if they just released the original prints of the movie like theyre doing with the original trilogy of star wars to their 50th anniversary in 2027, no fanproject comes even close quality wise

TrustedJustus said:

Tobomm said:

Scottish Jedi said:

These look amazing! Is there a higher bit rate version of both FOTR and TTT available that eliminates the banding and blocking artifacts?

Yeah i’ve noticed this too, he probably used a lossy BDrip as a base for this project, it’s a shame since his results look so good

Just watch “The Precious Editions.” He uses a version of Dre’s with the full Blu-ray bit-rate.

Where would one get access to those?

Scottish Jedi said:

These look amazing! Is there a higher bit rate version of both FOTR and TTT available that eliminates the banding and blocking artifacts?

Yeah i’ve noticed this too, he probably used a lossy BDrip as a base for this project, it’s a shame since his results look so good

How come the bitrate is so low compared to the proper bluray/remux? Your TTT and fellowship regrades video files have less than half the bitrate and are also half the size

Was no proper lossless Bluray/Remux used as base for the regraded version here?

If you need a Remux as a base simply contact me.

How do i know which version i have? V1 V2? The filenames dont give it away

Can’t wait for an update on this project!

Wouldn’t it be good if someone took your work and upscaled it with Topaz AI to 4k similar to how DrDre did with the theatrical blu ray releases? Since your versions here seem now to be the definitive versions of the Extended Editions so far

Sadly the bitrate is very low compared to the bluray/remux, why didnt you use one as a base?

SnooPac said:

ornithocc said:

is there an 35mm version of all the 3 movies extended edition?

Only FOTR extended has a 35mm scan so far.
In theory it’s possible that someone will find a TTT extended print and have it scanned.
In theory it’s NOT possible that someone will find a ROTK extended print and have it scanned, as 35mm prints were never created in the first place.

Note, I have no personal knowledge about this stuff, I’m just repeating what I’ve read from others since these scans had become available.

If ROTK Extended 35mm doesn’t exist, how come there were 35mm screenings of the whole extended editions then?

reddit(DOT)com/r/movies/comments/dyp9nn/lord_of_the_rings_trilogy_extended_editions/

TrustedJustus said:

Tobomm said:

TrustedJustus said:

Tobomm said:

TrustedJustus said:

Tobomm said:

neohanime said:

I am not sure if this is intentional, but here’s the difference between Dremastered extended vs. theatrical for those curious:

Imho he should’ve used the color grading from the theatrical cut as reference for his algo for the EE aswell, this new grading looks rather funky

It is entirely messed up.

It looks better than the official 4k release for sure, but as the original vision for this fanproject was to bring the films back to their original vision and grading there is just no way around using the theatrical cuts grading since that one is the original grading the movies had even in cinema.

Furthermore since DrDre already took his swing at the theatrical cuts of the movies and made them the definitive version to watch, one would presume he would somehow incorporate those or at least use their grading as reference for his rework for the EEs aswell.

Perhaps that’s even what he meant when he said that he is reworking part 1 of Fellowship EE

Indeed. I currently watch the precious editions.

What version are those based on?

Huh?

The “precious editions” as i recall are a recut of the movies, but are they based on the blu ray, remastered blu ray, 4k blu ray or other release ?

TrustedJustus said:

Tobomm said:

TrustedJustus said:

Tobomm said:

neohanime said:

I am not sure if this is intentional, but here’s the difference between Dremastered extended vs. theatrical for those curious:

Imho he should’ve used the color grading from the theatrical cut as reference for his algo for the EE aswell, this new grading looks rather funky

It is entirely messed up.

It looks better than the official 4k release for sure, but as the original vision for this fanproject was to bring the films back to their original vision and grading there is just no way around using the theatrical cuts grading since that one is the original grading the movies had even in cinema.

Furthermore since DrDre already took his swing at the theatrical cuts of the movies and made them the definitive version to watch, one would presume he would somehow incorporate those or at least use their grading as reference for his rework for the EEs aswell.

Perhaps that’s even what he meant when he said that he is reworking part 1 of Fellowship EE

Indeed. I currently watch the precious editions.

What version are those based on?

TrustedJustus said:

Tobomm said:

neohanime said:

I am not sure if this is intentional, but here’s the difference between Dremastered extended vs. theatrical for those curious:

Imho he should’ve used the color grading from the theatrical cut as reference for his algo for the EE aswell, this new grading looks rather funky

It is entirely messed up.

It looks better than the official 4k release for sure, but as the original vision for this fanproject was to bring the films back to their original vision and grading there is just no way around using the theatrical cuts grading since that one is the original grading the movies had even in cinema.

Furthermore since DrDre already took his swing at the theatrical cuts of the movies and made them the definitive version to watch, one would presume he would somehow incorporate those or at least use their grading as reference for his rework for the EEs aswell.

Perhaps that’s even what he meant when he said that he is reworking part 1 of Fellowship EE

neohanime said:

I am not sure if this is intentional, but here’s the difference between Dremastered extended vs. theatrical for those curious:

Imho he should’ve used the color grading from the theatrical cut as reference for his algo for the EE aswell, this new grading looks rather funky