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#1277037
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Reimagining TLJ: Luke killed Rey's parents - I am turning my article into a fan edit with storyboarded scenes
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Anakin Starkiller said:

This kinda reminds of how to avoid leaks the onset Vader twist in ESB was “Obi-Wan killed your father.”

How are you implementing this new scenes? Just as storyboards? Like some sort of lost film reconstruction?

Unfortunately, I figure the draw in this edit’s appeal is in that plot twist!

There will be three storyboarded scenes, each of which I have a plan as to how to implement organically. If you have ever seen an unfinished film that utilizes animatics in a few sequences, it’s essentially going to look just like that.

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#1276840
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Reimagining TLJ: Luke killed Rey's parents - I am turning my article into a fan edit with storyboarded scenes
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Valheru_84 said:

Hey TiMartyn,

I actually only read your TLJ analysis article earlier today (for anyone else interested: https://medium.com/@timothymably/the-last-jedi-is-poor-storytelling-d22e45427278) after finding it in your TFA/TLJ 48min edit thread. It is very well written and I couldn’t fault it in any way, it also gave me some new perspectives on why I just simply can’t stand the movie (not that I needed any more reasons but it’s interesting to get a better understanding of why I was so at odds with many elements of the story and characters).

I think ultimately Rian would have done a fine job directing the movie but he should never have been allowed to write it and the “trilogy” needed to actually be planned out as a proper trilogy with the big picture of it fitting within and respecting an existing saga always kept front and centre.

Logically I then followed up with reading your “Reimaginging The Last Jedi” article linked in here and I have to say that I am genuinely impressed with your alternate take on the story and how it vastly improves the characters in comparison to the actual movie. Reading your article, I could very much imagine myself watching the movie you describe and actually totally enjoying and buying into it all. There is a logical continuation of what happens in TFA while also making some shocking and properly subversive reveals that are consequential to the story at hand, rather than just for cheap comedic or “gotcha” moments.

More importantly, we learn more about what makes the characters, learning their past and what drives their motivations, emotionally investing us in their struggle. There is real progression and meaning behind events, we understand what the stakes are and root for our heroes to overcome the odds but are left at the end wondering how it will all play out in the final installment, as a middle installment should leave you feeling.

I do have to preface this part with the fact that I highly doubt any edit is ever going to manage to fix this movie for me (there’s just too much wrong with it) but all the same, your vision that you are striving for with this edit sounds extremely interesting and I think you have a very solid understanding of what was actually required to make this movie work for everyone or at least the vast majority (instead of just half the audience as Rian believes is the mark of his ideal movie) and I really hope you can pull off at least what you yourself hope to achieve with it.

So in saying that, I wish you all the best with your edit 😃

Val

Thank you so much, Val! I appreciate your kind words. I am happy it connected with you. Two films into this trilogy, characters feel relatively shallow and one-dimensional. I don’t think that’s necessarily due to the Disney branding of the franchise, or even the fault of actors. I think it’s in the writing. We haven’t had very much story in regards to character motivations, and it leads to stories feeling hollow. The big challenge when I wrote the article “reimagining” the film was just that- what can motivate these characters and how can that make the story engaging? Ultimately, it’s tricky. It’s hard to make a story interwoven between characters and each of their different backstories. So far in the current films in regards to motivations, we are told that Rey has overcome issues of abandonment and has found a new family in the Resistance, and that Kylo Ren wants to tear down the old ways to forge his own path. On the surface, those both work. But, in execution, I think they fall flat.

I hope our vision when it’s fully realized in storyboards can win you over! I aim to surprise even the most skeptical of fans. 😃 We’ll let you know when it’s out!

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#1276754
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Reimagining TLJ: Luke killed Rey's parents - I am turning my article into a fan edit with storyboarded scenes
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Hey everyone,

Almost a year ago, I wrote an article which rewrote The Last Jedi and it was well-received among a few subreddits. After sharing it with a friend (an artist and animation major) she became eager to help bring this vision to life. I have written three scripts for scenes based on my initial article which she will be illustrating into boards that I will attach scores and sound effects to.

Since this edit requires so much work, I wanted to bring it to everyone’s attention before we eventually release it. Obviously, it would be a massive bummer if we spent so long on creating something that ended up getting ignored. Ultimately, I’m making it for us. I’m making it for those who sincerely disliked the original story decisions and longed for something more than non-answers about plot lines teased in The Force Awakens.

There have been so many edits and scene reconstructions that have come out since December 2017. Many of them have been good. However, at the end of the day, the film is the same and the story which I found problematic is left in tact. The three scenes which will be storyboarded, pertaining to Rey’s backstory, Luke’s backstory, Kylo Ren’s backstory (I managed to tie them into one another if you have read the post referenced), and a lightsaber duel, completely re-contextualize the film. It feels new. I would not be devoting such time to a project unless the story and the editing was up to my standard of not even feeling like a fan project in the first place. I think those are often the best kind.

I have spent the past 11 months on editing the film. This edited version of The Last Jedi is complete, and if you are interested in seeing what we have in store, I will soon be happy to share with you the current draft up until the points in the film which will implement storyboards.

Frankly, the changes are too many to count. However, I am extremely satisfied with how the cut has turned out. Had you never seen the theatrical version, I genuinely doubt you would have noticed any of the revisions that have been made. I have changed the opening crawl, cut awkward and abrupt humor, cut repetitive lines, cut the Rose/Finn plot line, cut the Holdo plot line, included two 30 second-long deleted scenes, and now we are working on our boarded scenes, “The Tragedy of Ben Solo,” “Luke’s Regret,” and “Kylo Ren vs Rey.”

Last night, I spoke with the storyboard artist, Meg Babchuk whose work you can find here. We finalized deadlines and set the course for the next 6 months as we approach our final deadline.

We plan to release “The Last Jedi Reimagined” on December 1. This allows for most of the month leading up to IX’s release. We are hoping the hype for IX manages to help get our version of TLJ out there.

Thank you guys.

-timartyn

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#1276585
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Reimagining TFA/TLJ - I cut both films down into a singular 48 min epilogue tribute to the saga
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OutboundFlight said:
Overall, I enjoyed your vision. Leia’s death was great, and Ben’s redemption a real conclusion. I think looking at what you had (only two movies and some deleted scenes, no dallies or voice actors etc) you did a great job. These kinds of “creative” edits are my favorite.

Thank you for the detailed analysis! I appreciate it a lot that you took the time to write your thoughts. I’m in agreement with you on most of your critiques. Some aspects of the films had to be sacrificed for one reason or another. Finn is almost cut out from the story completely. As I’m sure you know, as great of ideas we might have for a fan edit, the footage I have access to isn’t always as ideal as I’d like it to be. Also, I only have iMovie, which is a whole other challenge in itself.

I worked on this project entirely out of fun, as I focused on another edit I referenced in the original post. I wanted a chance to experiment. Obviously with “creative” edits like these, things like wardrobe changes become challenging. Continuity gets strange, and ultimately feels like something I can’t always do anything about.

I won’t be going back to revise my edit anytime soon, as I’m spending energy on an entirely different one that’s been in the works throughout the past year. When I release it, I hope you’ll be there again to provide your feedback. Thanks for being so insightful! I’m glad you enjoyed it!

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#1276398
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Reimagining TFA/TLJ - I cut both films down into a singular 48 min epilogue tribute to the saga
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OutboundFlight said:

On OT.com you cannot have public links to fanedits. It is part of the copyright rules or whatever. Instead you’ll want to remove that link and send it to people who request via PM.

This edit sounds VERY interesting. I’ll watch it tonight and give some feedback later.

Got it. I wasn’t 100% sure as it is not a direct link. Thank you! I appreciate it very much!

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#1276396
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Reimagining TFA/TLJ - I cut both films down into a singular 48 min epilogue tribute to the saga
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Over the past several months, I have been working on a fan edit of The Last Jedi based on an article I wrote, reimagining what the film could’ve been. It gained some traction elsewhere, so I contacted a storyboard artist friend and together, we’re bringing this vision to life. That won’t be released for some time.

But, as I was re-editing The Last Jedi, I started having some off-shoot ideas. I was inspired by popular fan edit, “The War of the Stars”, a sequel to the Star Wars grindhouse edit which reimagined the Original Trilogy, reordering scenes and completely changing huge aspects of the films. Watching it is an entirely new experience. It’s fantastic.

I was curious if this could be accomplished with The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Both films have scenes which feel conclusive, as if they belong at the end of a trilogy. I took advantage of this and created a “one-off” epilogue to the Star Wars saga, acting as if Disney never created any additional films and this was the finale. I made it as a tribute to the galaxy of George Lucas, and had a blast putting it together.

The list of things I’ve changed feels endless. Snoke is no longer Snoke. Luke is no longer a recluse. Force ghosts appear. Some characters who died don’t die, and some who lived don’t live. There’s a new Force projection from Luke. There’s a somewhat new lightsaber battle. There’s a redemption story.

Some sequences are simply re-edited to give the impression that you are watching an entirely new film. At 48 minutes long, I intended to give a short but sweet finale inspired a bit by the EU to my favorite film series of all time.

This remix is titled “A New Order,” as a reference to the fan favorite title of Episode IX as well as the literal new order of scenes.

Here are a few scenes you can preview, although I think it would be better to see them firsthand in the full remix.

The opening scene post-crawl: https://vimeo.com/328890286

A pivotal point in Luke’s story, as he communicates with Leia and returns to the fight: https://vimeo.com/328890559

Message me for a link! I hope you have fun watching it. Let me know what you think!

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#1196242
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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ziggyonice said:

I’m late to the party here… but again, regarding Canto Bight…

Does anyone else have a problem with the whole “Rose hates rich people” element? Frankly, I would like to take some of the “real world” politics out of that sequence. I get it, war profiteering is bad, but do we really need a conversation about it in Star Wars?

I’d rather cut out that sequence, and never have Rose mention it.

I second this. It’s oddly detracting from a subplot that already detracts from the movie itself. “Political commentary,” if you want to call it that, feels cheap when it doesn’t say anything genuinely controversial or bold.

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#1192142
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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I really enjoy watching your process on this thread, Hal. However, I think the edit “The Fallen Knight” has beaten everyone to the punch with the version of the Hux/Poe sequence. About 3 minutes in, the scene is dramatically trimmed. It’s pretty seamless. You can find that edit elsewhere, I think you’re already aware of it.

“A single light fighter?”

Hux gives the cadet a look.

Poe to BB-8: “Happy beeps here, buddy. Come on. We’ve pulled crazier stunts than this.”

Leia’s first moment

Hux shouts “open fire!” (Hux’s fear and frustration)

“BB-8, punch it!”

“He’s going for the dreadnaught.” “He’s insane.” (Hux’s relief)

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#1183833
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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I’m not sure I missed it, but are you considering removing the lightsaber moving toward Snoke before Kylo ignites it?

Also, ClarkZuckerberg has posted a pretty solid edit of The Last Jedi, with a few deleted scenes and removed humor. It’s very smooth and pretty impressive for just a few days after the home release.
 

Link removed by moderator. ChainsawAsh is offering some good advice in his posts below.

Please give the ‘Fan Edit/Preservation Forum Rules and FAQ’ a read, mate.
 

The name of the Fan Edit is ‘The Fallen Knight’, and more info can be found up on https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/
 

There is also an OT•com thread on it, here:-

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Last-Jedi-edit-The-Fallen-Knight/id/59746

 

It does look an intriguing Edit 😃

 

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#1181919
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Glad to hear that! Have you considered or thought at all about editing Luke’s lightsaber to be green instead of blue when he’s on Crait? I’m seeing people nitpick about that, and I think it might just “pop” more than the blue saber did in that scene. Also prefer fan edits to be as different as possible from the original, just for the sake of a new experience. Your editing Mustafar over the Death Star in Revenge of the Sith did that same kind of thing for me.

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#1181628
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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NeverarGreat said:

I remember when EU writers would refer to the droids phonetically See-Threepio and Artoo-Deetoo. So even here the emphasis is on letter sounds and not the letters themselves.

I agree that this line breaks immersion even when there are other examples of individual letters being spoken in Star Wars, and think that it’s not so much the substance of the line but the tone. In Star Wars, even the most absurd names are spoken with sincerity as a way of investing the audience in the reality of the world. When a character refuses to take even their opponent’s name seriously, how can the audience take it seriously? It’s very much like Star Lord challenging Ronan the Accuser to a dance-off, except that The Last Jedi isn’t supposed to be a comedy.

Short answer, I get it.

I don’t understand why so many seem bent on not getting your point.

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#1181603
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Possessed said:

You could at least wait until the movie is actually out legally before you start talking about rewatching it, piracy isn’t encouraged around here.

Streaming films isn’t actually illegal. It’s uploading or downloading them that is. Also, this thread is all about a proposed fan edit. I can’t help but imagine that not everyone who will be watching it owns a copy of Last Jedi. I don’t know the legality of fan edits, but to stream a film doesn’t feel all that different from watching a fan edited version of it.

ChainsawAsh said:

Also, come on man - X-wing? Cell block AA23? TK-421? Every single one of those is from SW77.

Sure, but to address it so blatantly as “that name that begins with the letter ‘H’” makes me think to Sesame Street with the letter of the day, which is somewhat jarring. I might be alone, but the prank call scene already felt jarring as it came off more like parody than the thing a parody would be based on. Then, for a character to address the English language, it just adds to that strangeness. Already, within the first five minutes of the film, I’m taken out of that experience of suspended disbelief.

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#1181591
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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I just started rewatching The Last Jedi and I had to pause it. Because during the opening prank call scene, Poe says something that I can’t believe hasn’t been nitpicked yet. “Hux… With an H?” Is anyone else bugged by that kind of thing? Star Wars has its own language but now Poe straight up addresses English letters? I feel like a massive geek but I can’t be alone here, can I? Is something like this a line you’re willing to remove, Hal?

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#1175809
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Hal, I’m very excited to see your edit! I’ve made this account just to reply to your post. I really dug your edits of the prequels. Please consider these revisions of the film…

-Luke shouldn’t shout about the “sacred texts” after Yoda burns down the tree as it doesn’t make sense for Luke to be upset about something he was literally just going to do!

-Cut the irons on the Supremacy. It felt like more parody humor, which didn’t make much sense to me. It was like from a Lego Star Wars video game.

-Rey should never directly say anything like “who are my parents?” She has never wondered who her parents are- she wondered WHERE her parents are. It seems as if Johnson and LucasFilm forgot that Rey isn’t concerned with who her parents are. We are. The audience cares about who her family is. Rey cares about when they’ll come back, and what happened to them. The film confuses the audience’s questions with the characters’ questions. She might as well had looked at the camera and addressed the thing we were all wondering… It was kind of ridiculous.

-No weird look from Finn at the camera when BB-8 rescues them in a small AT-AT. Rose and Finn give each other a look as if BB-8 saving them is crazy, but it’s so overwhelmingly self-aware it took me out of the movie. Possibly the weirdest part of the movie, maybe even more so than Leia in space if I’m honest.

-But removing space Leia is important too. It’s really bad.

-Maz Kanata’s scene should be removed but if it must stay, please remove the reference to the pendant man and how they apparently hooked up. That was awful.

-No humor with Hux and Kylo on Crait. It takes so much away from the tension of that scene.

-No awkward, prolonged milking of the sea cow.

-Less of making a point out of the wealthy who make money off war.

-Less making a point out of animal cruelty. We can make political statements but making at least four is a bit much. Let’s bring it down to two.

-Remove the line about “saving what you love” from Rose, and cut the sudden kiss she gives Finn. It’s weird.

-The film can show the children talking about the legend of Skywalker, but can end with the Falcon flying into space. Johnson has commented how the Falcon flying into space was almost the last image of the film. It works perfectly.