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There is no Return of the Jedi V2.6 on MySpleen. Is a V2.6 even planned for ROTJ?

Would also love to get the links for the newest versions of the German trilogy. 😉

Great work, are there plans to release a V2.6 for ROTJ? (ANH and ESB is on Spleen, but ROJ is V2.15, I think)

I have a two questions regarding the audio tracks:

1) What exactly did you edit on the 5.1 track? Did you just cut out the SE parts or did you also reverse changes in existing scenes? And how good did it work? :-)

2) Is any of the 2.0 tracks Dolby Stereo/Dolby Surround or are they just normal Stereo? And if yes, which one? ;-)

Hi,

I tried to digitize my old German VHS box yesterday, just to find out that they really look terrible and are only Pan&Scan (yeah, I really forgot…).
It’s this edition:
http://www.jedi-archiv.de/Video-Cover/Trilogie1990.htm

That should be the Pre-THX version,so as far as I know the so called “Silver Screen Collection”-Laserdiscs should be the same and best source available:

http://bantha.de/www/images/videos/videos/1993/anh_c_01.jpg

http://bantha.de/www/images/videos/videos/1993/tesb_c_01.jpg

http://bantha.de/www/images/videos/videos/1993/jedi_c_01.jpg

Sadly I neither own these discs or a laserdisc player, so my question is:
Does anybody here owns them and already digitized them? I would be sooooo thankful 😉

Is there a possibility that you would also include the 1981 crawl (with A New Hope) for Star Wars? Maybe via seamless branching?

Would be cool to not only have all the audio mixes but also the different crawls and with all the available LD preservations out there, it shouldn't be to hard to find a decent looking version of it. But if it's too complicated to do seamless branching (I have no idea how they do it exactly), forget what I just said! It's not that important :-)

Laserschwert said:

I guess we can't be picky here. Right now I'm about to finish the "main" soundtrack, which is based on the German GOUT, but including some missing lines that were ONLY heard in the theatrical version, and never on any home video release prior to the Blu-ray.

Ohh, I didn't know that, Fox Germany seems to be really good at messing up with the German audio on Star Wars releases, so yeah we really can't be picky.

Laserschwert said:

Other than that we're planning include both the "Silver Screen" and THX tracks as lossless PCM tracks. My idea for the 5.1 track was using the digital broadcast of the 97SE as a basis, but replacing the center channel with the according parts from the Blu-ray (as the remastered dialogues sound goooood). Of course, I'll have to cut out any SE stuff and patch up those areas, but now that I got EditDroid's 5.1 track (thanks to russs15!), it might be a bit easier (even though that one's based on the 2004 5.1 track).

Sounds good and 4 different German audio tracks should satisfy anyone, especially your idea for a 5.1 track sounds awesome!

This post might be interesting for you:

http://forum.cinefacts.de/96260-star-wars-original-und-prequel-trilogy-boxen-18.html#post2153908

Es gab von Krieg der Sterne insgesamt 5 verschiedene Tonfassungen, welche auf teilweise unterschiedliche Geräuschbänder und Effekte beruhten.

70mm Dolby - US

35mm Dolby - US (andere Mischung als 70mm)

35mm Mono - US (andere Mischung als 70mm und Dolby Stereo, jedoch George Lucas's Lieblingsversion, da er hier alle Zeit hatte diese Version zu erstellen)

70mm Dolby - Deutsch

35mm 4-Kanal - Deutsch (bis auf den Tiefbaß und Dolby identisch mit der
70mm Version)

35mm Mono - Deutsch

So pretty similiar to the English version, but:

Selbstverständlich hat man für die deutsche Fassung auf ein hervorragendes IT Master, welches von Ben Burtt erstellt wurde aufgebaut.

It seems Ben Burtt created a new sound master without dialog for all non-English versions, which maybe was similar to the English mono mix (considered the definitive mix by George Lucas at that time). They then added the German dialog to it and created different mixes for 70mm 6-track/35mm stereo and mono.?So all German mixes should have identical sound effects, not like the English 70mm/Stereo/Mono mixes. But they are different to all English mixes or at least the 70mm 6-track and 35mm stereo mix, so adding the German dialog to something like Hairy_Hen's 70mm recreation will give you something never be heard in German cinemas, but of course only if you are aiming for theatrical accurateness.


"Krieg der Sterne" was never released in 5.1 on Laserdisc in Germany, only in Dolby Stereo, which could be the same stereo mix used theatrically in 1978, but in some cases I have strong doubts about that.
At least with the 1995 THX LD and the GOUT, because the missing lines seem to indicate that they just added the German dialog again to a dialog-less master and forgot some parts of it.
The big question of course is, which dialog-less master did they use (maybe the original one created by Ben Burtt in 1977)? And did they changed anything while doing it? (I've heard about some strange echoes in the 1995 THX mix).
Sadly I don't know an answer to that.

So to have an theatrically accurate representation of the German audio you might have to use the audio of one of these LDs:

1993 Silver Screen Collection: (I don't know anything about missing lines / changes with this release)
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/33866/1130-05/Star-Wars:-Krieg-der-Sterne-%281977%29

1982 P&S:
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/37677/1130-73/Star-Wars:-Krieg-der-Sterne-%281977%29
or some old VHS tape.

But I personally really don't know which truly represents the original 1978 stereo mix. The German mono mix and the 70mm 6-track of course were never released in any form, so they are probably impossible to get, if they even still exist. (The re-adding dialog and missing lines while doing so are not a good indication that Fox Germany still has them in good condition).

Well, like I said all this is only interesting if you are aiming for a 100% recreation of the theatrical experience of "Krieg der Sterne". Personally I think it would be cool to have one track theatrically accurate as possible and one sounding as good as possible (maybe even in 5.1).

Did anyone ever made a DVD-R capture from the 1993 LDs "Silver Screen Collection"?

(I know the quality would probably suck compared to the 1995 THX or the GOUT DVDs, but still interested in how it looked back then. :-) )

dark_jedi said:

subs - English, English SDH, Swedish, French, Finnish, German, Norwegian, Spanish, Danish, Brazilian Portuguese

I see you plan to include non-english subs for the Blu-Ray version, any plans to also include any foreign dubs?

Here somebody uploaded the German soundfiles (matched for 24p) if that helps. I guess there are also some Italian, French, Spanish, etc. people here who could provide you with the soundfiles for their languages.

grisan said:

I could make some simple menuless DVD preservations of the german LDs if people are interested, but I still want to do it the right way some time in the future.

I would be interested but if it's really just me that would be a huge waste of your time :-)

So if you find some time in the future and do your preservation of the PAL LDs the way you want than I would be very happy and thankful to see them shared here ;-)

Did anyone ever made a preservations of those and if so could tell me where to find them? 😃

Sadly I only have the 1995 VHS and would be cool to have a DVD Rip of the LDs, which were more or less the same but with better quality…

Laserschwert said:

I quickly needed a trilogy cover for a single-sized triple-case, and some labels, so I threw something together in a matter of hours. The cover-artwork itself borrows from Falle's trilogy-box-cover (sorry for that ) while the "design" of the back is based on a cover by Rikter.


Full size (300 dpi)

For the labels I had to rearrange the posters of TESB and ROTJ to fit around the hole in the label, which took the most time.



Full size labels (300 dpi):
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi

I know it's a very old post but if someone still has the disc label for Return of the Jedi, please upload it! It's the only one not available anymore :-)

Doctor M said:

Seamless may work for modern players, but slightly older ones may not handle it too well.

I'd only recommend doing that if you've tested all players you intend to use it with and know they'll be okay seamless.

Worked on my PS3 and also on a nearly 10 years old Pioneer DVD-Player, so I'm happy and can only recommend trying it! :-)

And Dark_Jedi, you're work on the GOUT is amazing, so much better than the original retail DVDs, Lucasfilm should be ashamed that fans can do better for free than a multimillion dollar company...

djchaseb said:

I usually go with the top one

Thanks, doesn't seem to make a big difference anyway :-)

Just burnt it with the seamless option on and my PS3 is fine with it and now I have no noticeable layer break at all :-)

Moth3r said:

imgburn

Thanks, great application but a little overhelming, for example what is the right choice for the layer break (pic is from Star Wars):

Is there a difference? Or do I have to check "Seamless" and/or "Don't update IFO/BUP files" ?

After finally finished downloading V3 (slow internet connection at my place... :-( ), I would like to know what application is good (or preferred) to burn the VIDEO_TS folder on a DVD? Just to make it compatible with all DVD Players?

Sorry I'm a little bit of a noob considering these things... :-)
Ohh and I personal use a Mac, but I can also boot into Windows XP if necessary.

Being German myself, it's awesome to see someone preserving the original "Krieg der Sterne"! :-)
I know it's bugging but when do you plan to release it? :-)
(If it's in a year I'm also fine with it, just interested in what the status of this project is.)
And are you waiting for Harmy's V2.0 or did you already used his "old" versions?

Sorry to bother you guys with all this questions, but to be able to finally see "Krieg der Sterne" again in some good quality (not the crappy, old VHS I have) sounds VERY tempting! :-)

Nobody here wants them to look all "slick and modern" like the blu-rays.

And yes, Harmy has probably the best source possible for the original color timing.

Ok, you convinced me to trust you guys :-)

I was only a little bit skeptical about the idea of someone changing the look of Star Wars whose not the original creator, but when I look at what George Lucas did to his movies...

I respect what Harmy and co are trying to do with the combination of sources, but GOUT restorations are better for me, both from a purist standpoint (NO SE changes, no matter how miniscule), and from an aesthetic standpoint (while it's all quite seamless, I still notice the transition from one source to another; I prefer it to be uniform, even if the overall quality isn't as good).

Jup, that's pretty much sums up my reservations with Harmy's version, but I still will give them a try someday. :-)

So yeah, I think Dark Jedi v3 it is for me! Looking forward to see the original version again :-)

Oh and:

By the way, you might be interested in looking at this site: http://www.jedi1.net/

WOOOW, hope to see the result of this project one day!

First of all, thank you guys! :-)

Yeah, I meant the 2006 or how they called most of the time here: GOUT DVDs.
I should probably clarify what I meant with no color correction: I own the GOUT DVDs and some old THX VHS and they both look very similar (probably because it is the same transfer), so for me that was how the "old" Star Wars looked in the past years. I'm too young to saw them in theatre, so I have no idea how they are supposed to look like, but if someone really has an "official" source about the original color timing, I have no problem with some slight color adjustments! But nothing to drastic.
And I just don't want someones own interpretation of how he thinks Star Wars has to look. Or even worse trying to make them look "modern and cool"... I have the official Blu-Rays for that and well... you probably all know how they look :-)

So is Dark Jedi V3 still what I'm looking for?

And yeah Harmy's despecialization sounds interesting, for what I understand he used a lot of difference sources and combined them, even with custom mattes. I wonder if it really combines unnoticeable. But definitely going to check out his V2.0 for Star Wars when it is released ;-)

Hi, I’m a total noob when it comes to all the releases here, so sorry for that dumb question, but I’m pretty much ok with the 2006 DVDs of the trilogy (at least for now), but there are two things I would like to see changed:

• Not good for 16x9 TVs

• more Audio mixes (maybe even 5.1)

So my question, which of the fan preservations here comes closest to the 2006 DVDs (meaning not too much color correction, etc.)?

(And I don’t know anything about re-authoring my own DVDs, if that’s even possible 😃 )

doubleofive said:

You could ask Harmy, who obviously made the DeEd logos there.

Already did, he has them on an old hard drive, which he would have to search first. So I first asked here before bothering him again. ;-)

Hi, I'm looking for these artworks of the vintage lunch boxes, of course without the "Despecialized Edition" and in better resolution:

Does anyone still have them and could send them to me? PPPLLEEEAASSSEEE, I love them so much! :-)

Thanks for the info! :-)

Good to know that they are not recrunstructions. (not that there is anything against them)

For your Hyperspace release, where exactly does the 5.1 Mix come from?