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#337762
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Questions about possible changes in the first film
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The alledged missing mouse droid scene is nothing but a myth. There is no evidence to support its absense. To support my stance, John Williams recorded the soundtrack to Star Wars in March, 1977. The soundtrack included a piece called "Mouse Robot/Blasting Off." How could Williams have written and recorded music to a scene that did not exist? I just don't buy it. And I certainly don't believe that they simply forgot to add the scene for opening day.

Vaderisnothayden said:
Erikstormtrooper said:

The actress who played Beru was dubbed in all prints. Her actual voice has never been a part of Star Wars.

 

You're sure her voice was never in a released (for public screening) version of Star Wars? Certainly I gather that a different actress was used for her voice in the mono than in the other versions, so maybe that's two different actresses used to dub her in different versions.

We are quite sure.

This whole myth stems from the fact that the mono Beru is different than the stereo Beru. Also, it is my contention that the same voice actress dubbed both mono and stereo versions. They sound like the same person to me.

Erikstormtrooper said:

As fas as IMDB goes, well, I wouldn't put any stock in their info. It seems to be submitted by zombies and approved by monkeys. Take it seriously at your own risk.

So true.

Seriously, don't believe everything you read on the IMDB or Wiki.

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#337756
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questions about the 1981 Star Wars reissue
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Vaderisnothayden said:

I read on imdb that in he 1981 reissue of the first film "Close the blast doors" was added and "Blast it Biggs" was changed to "Blast it Wedge". Is this true?

No, it's not true. People are confusing things about the mono sound mix and posting erroneous information to the IMDB. "Close the blast doors" and "Blast it, Wedge" were exclusive to the mono mix and were not added to any other versions of the film at the time. "Close the blast doors" was eventually added to the Special Edition in 1997; "Blast it, Wedge" was banished to obscurity.

Vaderisnothayden said:

In the showings 1981-85 was any particular mix (mono, 70mm, 35mm) dominant? Were those mono line changes dominant?

35mm Dolby Stereo was the most prominent, but there were at least some 70mm presentations too. As SilverWook already suggested, Dolby sounds systems had become more prevalent so there were few (if any) 35mm mono prints still circulating.

Vaderisnothayden said:

I read on imdb that the two non-mono mixes were updated with the "A New Hope" name and the mono was not.

This is not known for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least some mono prints were updated too. Of interest is the fact that the mono mix was televised in the UK throughout the 80's and it did have the updated crawl.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Would I be right in saying the 1995 vhs's audio is the 1985 mix made for the 1985 vhs?

No, that's incorrect. The 1995 "THX" sound mix was a new mix created for the 1993 Definitive Collection and was also used for the 1995 home video release. This new sound mix was supposed to incorporate the best elements of the original three mixes.

Vaderisnothayden said:

So if I'm right, that's what lines are in the 1985 mix. Basically the non-mono version plus the tractor beam line.

That's correct. The 1985 home video sound mix is basicaly the same as the '77 Dolby mix with the addition of Threepio's tractor beam line.

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#308654
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Rad (1986)
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Hey, everybody. I haven't been around in a while but I wanted to check in.

It's too bad about Demonoid. I checked on the old torrents from time to time and they were always doing well. Thanks goes to everyone who continued to seed and helped to keep them alive. Hopefully they'll get a new home somewhere.

Insanity, thanks for upping the DVD5 to Usenet! I'm on a crappy ISP so I can't do any uploading myself.
Originally posted by: TiX
I used dvdshrink to make an .iso out of this with no compression and i am having playback issues. Anyone else having probs? Should i just burn it as a data dvd instead? Any help appreciated!

Why create an ISO? Just burn the folders (VIDEO_TS, etc.) to a blank DVDR.
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#288693
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Rad (1986)
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Originally posted by: Insanity
Not very good.Just the movie and no menu.Almost looks like a HDTV2DVD encode and nothing more.No effort really.
The one by Starkiller is far superior to this one.

Thanks for the info. I was curious about this. Is it the same INHD² source with the watermark?
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#281254
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70 mm print of the Empire Strikes Back Differences
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Originally posted by: Gregatron
Okay, Mark Hamill recorded the line, "The first transport is away!". For most versions up until the 1997 SE, the line was pitched down, presumably to make his voice sound less recognizable. From 1997 on, it sounds the way it was originally recorded.
I don't know about that. They sound like two different voices to me. The SE (70mm?) voice sounds like Mark.
Originally posted by: Gregatron
Also, it appears that the 2006 GOUT "bonus" EMPIRE DVD features the 70mm mix on the French and Spanish language tracks. While all of the dialogue is dubbed into those languages, the sound effects and such seem to match up with the list of 70mm differences (many of which made their way back into the 1997 and 2004 SEs) .

I believe you're confusing this with the mono mix of Star Wars.

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#281249
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70 mm print of the Empire Strikes Back Differences
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I believe that's correct, Sluggo. Nice job.

Back to the Super 8, I've only gone over the first reel, but here's what I found:

• Luke: "Echo Three to Echo Seven. Han 'ole buddy, do you read me?" -Different take [also on Story of] [Not in SE]

• Luke: "Well, I finished my circle. I don't pick up any life readings." -Different take [also on Story of] [Not in SE]

• Han: "There isn't enough life on this ice cube to fill a space cruiser. Sensors are placed, I'm coming back." Note: Han says "I'm coming back" instead of "I'm going back." -Different take [also on Story of] [Not in SE]

• Rogue 2: "Captain Solo, do you copy?" -Different take [Not in SE] [Dialogue not featured in Story of]

• The first time Rogue 2 says, "Commander Skywalker, do you copy?" is placed after he says "Captain Solo, do you copy?" instead of being placed before. The second "Commander Skywalker, do you copy?" is not on the Super 8 reel. It may have been edited that way for the Super 8, but I found it odd.

• Leia: "They're getting closer." -Different take [Not in Story of or SE]

• Han: "Oh, yeah? Watch this." -Different take [Not in Story of or SE]

Originally posted by: Sluggo
• Yoda makes a frightened "Ehhhhh!" sound just before Luke says "Like we're being watched" and points his blaster at him.

This short clip is from a 1983 episode of At The Movies. It's not too significant, but I found it interesting.
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#278913
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Rad (1986)
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Thanks, Insanity. I really appreciate it, and I'm sure others will too! I'm a usenet guy myself, so this is my first time torrenting something. I hope all goes well. I used the original VIDEO_TS structure so it would be easier for others to seed. It's the VIDEO_TS, AUDIO_TS, and CONTENT folders inside a main directory titled Rad (1986) DVD9. The CONTENT folder has the disc and cover art along with the original NFO. It's the same as it was on usenet.

I've got the first torrent going now. I hope I didn't over-rotate.
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#278707
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Rad (1986)
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radchris,

It's funny you posted that. I was checking out auctions just last night and I did some calculating. Check this out:

• In the past 30 days, ebay seller misty0143 has sold 117 of my RAD DVDs and has made over $1879.08 off me. That amount doesn't include 25 "Best Offers" of undisclosed amounts that were accepted. That puts the actual total well over $2K.

But she isn't the only one...

• In the past 30 days, ebay seller shootingthestar has sold 46 RAD DVDs and has made $690 off me.

• In the past 5 months, former forum member TR-47/shadoweyes47 has sold more than 68 RAD DVDs and made over $481 off me via Yahoo auctions and sell.com. (I can't search completed listings on sell.com so those numbers are only half the story.) It should be noted that while he sells for the cheapest price, he sells _discs_ only, no cases or covers. Truly the cheapest way to go. It should also be noted (as many here will attest to) that this "entrepreneur" sells countless other DVDs--many that were born right here on this forum--and has been doing so for several years. It's amazing the he has even found the time to sell over 68 copies of RAD. My heart truly goes out to this SOB. He must do nothing but burn DVDs all day long.

If it were just a few copies here are there, I wouldn't mind so much. But these numbers are ridiculous!


All of this has convinced me to take this puppy to Demonoid. I'll do the DVD9 version first, and I think I'll do the DVD5 version after that. So both will be available.

However, I'm on a rather sketchy wireless connection, and I'm on a laptop that I don't want to leave running for several days at a time. So, can I get some help with the initial seeding from some of you guys who already have this? Please let me know.
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#271637
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Rad (1986)
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I've recently become aware that my Rad DVD (among countless others) is being sold by a certain person who was once a member here. I find this very disheartening.

Is there anyone who would be willing to torrent this again? Somewhere where it would have some longevity... like Demonoid or the 'Spleen? I may decide to do it myself as I would really like this to be freely available.
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#271626
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The making of The Empire Strikes Back (Michel Parbot)
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That clip is fantastic! I don't think I've seen this before, but there's something familiar about it, specifically the 'fairy tale' bit.

Since it appears that this did in fact air, I see no reason not to share it with the Star Wars community. I really hope another copy surfaces.
Originally posted by: MoveAlong
That shot of John "Cliff Claven" Ratzenberger is pretty awesome!

I noticed that too. Great shot!
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#268462
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70 mm print of the Empire Strikes Back Differences
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Yeah, they repositioned Luke when they added the dish. I remember watching TESB at the theater (in 70mm) and thinking that Luke must have fallen a long way to land on the Falcon. (Of course, I would never rely solely on my own memory )
Originally posted by: zombie84
Interesting finds all around. I haven't seen the Puggo editions but i am guessing that these are the only alternate-footage clips? Would be nice to also have stuff like the shot of Luke without the early AT-ST comp and the original bacta tank edit.

I didn't notice any other visual differences aside from cuts that were made to shorten the movie. The bacta scene is not on the Super 8 reel and the AT-ST is not in the frame--the image is panned on Luke.
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#268451
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The Puggo Edition - webpage and screenshots
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I like the cover, boba feta. Nice job!

Originally posted by: Number20
Does anyone know if these films come out before or at the same time as the theatrical releases? Or did they just not want to spoil it for those who might of not seen the theatrical film yet?
The ESB reels were apparently released on June 1, 1980, which is a mere 11 days after opening day. TESB opened exclusively in 70mm, which may explain why that cut would have been used on the Super 8 reels.
Originally posted by: boba feta
Audio
- Han saying 'watch this' as he tries to jump to hyperspace in the asteriod field. Although the dialogue hasn't changed different emphasis are put on certain words."
- Luke - "I don't pick up any life readings" - Different take
- Han - "I'm going back" - Different take
- More rebels calls of 'retreat' when Walkers attack
- Leia "They're getting closer [star destroyers] - Different take - she stutters it twice
- Cloud Car pilots - Different line - will confirm with actual line asap.
- Leia "I know where Luke is" is replaced by "we must go back" or something similar
- C3P0 - new line just before "I thought that hairy beast would be the end of me" - It's something like "I'm glad we are back together"
- The frigate at the end looks decidedly different - i will have to check this.
Cloud City Security - "Any aggressive move will not be tollerated!"
Cloud Cit Security - "Permission granted to land on platform 3-2-7. Any deviattion will" - Han cuts of comms.
Leia - "Lando, hurry up, we've got company!" (as Lando is rescuing Luke from the weathervane)
C3P0- "Get away from there, you don't know how to fix the hyperdrive!

I think there are a lot more than that. I'm going to go break out the fine-toothed comb and go over it.
Originally posted by: Sluggo
This disc seems like it could be very beneficial to a reconstruction of the 70mm prints of ESB. I'm gonna start moving some of the camparison pics and such to the appropriate thread.

Click here

So Sluggo, do you think that this is indeed the 70mm cut on these Super 8 reels? I just don't want to jump the gun, but it certainly looks that way. This is very exciting.

I'll post anything else I find in that other thread.
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#267585
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The Puggo Edition - webpage and screenshots
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Excellent job on this, Pugs! This is an absolute must have!

I just watched the Empire reels and something stuck out at me. I had another look and I believe I have found something quite significant. Check out these screen caps:

2006 GOUT:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DV_EM_1_06DVD.jpg

Same image from the 1985 CAV Laser:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DV_EM_1_85LD.jpg

And the same image from the Super 8 reel:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DV_EM_1_S8.jpg

Another frame from the GOUT as the Emperor fades in:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DV_EM_2_06DVD.jpg

Same frame from the '85 Laser:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DV_EM_2_85LD.jpg

And the Super 8 reel:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DV_EM_2_S8.jpg

The above shot on the Super 8 reel corresponds with reports regarding the 70mm cut of TESB. In the 70mm version, the Emperor's hologram doesn't fade in, just like the Super 8 reel.

Another example:

GOUT DVD:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DISH1_GOUT.jpg

Same frame from the '85 Laser:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DISH1_1985LD.jpg

And the same frame from the Super 8:
http://starkiller72.googlepages.com/DISH1_S8.jpg

Again, this corresponds to the 70mm cut.

I believe this is the first confirmed visual evidence of alternate footage existing within one of the films!

Also, this section of Michael Matessino's 70mm list that appeared in Film Score Monthly also appears in the Super 8 reel:

In the final scene, there is no tracked music from "Yoda and the Force". The scene begins with the first establishing shot of the rebel fleet, then cuts inside the Falcon for Lando to say, "Luke, we're ready for take-off" (but a different take of this was used). After Luke says (voice over), "Good luck, Lando" the scene cuts to inside the rebel cruiser where Luke says, "I'll meet you at the rendezvous, " etc. Not in this version are two more establishing shots of the fleet and an interim effects shot over which Lando says, "When we find Jabba the Hutt and that bounty hunter we'll contact you."

Add all of this to the numerous (and already known) differences in the Super 8 audio and this becomes even more intriguing.

Fascinating!