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#1256615
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4k77 released
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I was able to author each version of the film to 50GB Blu ray Millenium discs using DVDFab’s Blu Ray Creator, which I happened to already own. They’re downsampled to 1080p, but they all look fscking phenomenal on my 75" LG TV. DVDFab recently released UHD authoring software as well, called UHD Creator or something to that effect … I’m considering buying that extra software and a few 100GB discs to try it out.

The sizes of the 2160p files on a USB was too much for my 2018 LG TV to deal with. Smaller 2160p files (such as the TeamNegative1 fanfare) played directly on the TV on problem, but it refused to play any big files (~87 GB). My Cambridge disc transport, OTOH, was able to interpret the Imperial Network by plugging the USB stick directly into the transport. Looks pretty damn close to the 1080p version for my money.

I’ll let you all know if I end up attempting to author the 2160p files onto 100GB discs, but considering how well the software handled the authoring of 1080p discs, I would assume it would work just fine.

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#1256000
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4k77 released
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adywan said:

The Dark Lord said:

A 4K version like this downsampled to 1080p will still look amazing because the source resolution is so high. I have a 75 inch LG UHD TV and a Cambridge Audio UHD media player (capable of reading this file off a USB, I might add), and 4K discs hardly look that different than 1080p to the naked eye in terms of perceiving pure resolution from a normal viewing distance. The best part of commercial UHD technology, IMO, is the expanded color gamut confered by either HDR or Dolby Vision technology, which these projects have not and cannot take advantage at present.

In my experience, there’s a barely perceptible difference in resolution between 2160p and 1080p (I have 30+ UHD 4K movies and have compared several with the 1080p releases); the most important factor is a high quality and high res source scan. That’s what I’m paying for when I buy 4K discs.

That’s because most UHD Blu-Ray releases are really 2k sources upscaled to 2160p. Compare the 1080p Blu-Ray to the UHD Blu-ray of something like Blue Planet 2 and you can really tell the difference. Plus you don;t really need a UHD media player. The LG UHDTV is able to playback the 4k77 file, and other UHD files, just fine via a usb stick/ external usb drive ( I have the 70inch HDR LG TV).

Not exactly, Adywan. I’m the kind of guy who researches every 4K release prior to purchase to see if it’s worth replacing my 1080p blu ray copy. If there isn’t a good reason (like a 4K source scan, improved color gamut, improved sound mix), then I don’t buy it. I usually use https://bluray.highdefdigest.com and a few other sites.

I mean, I notice a difference, but it’s pretty subtle in most instances, especially if I’m sitting at normal viewing distance and not pixel picking with my nose up in the screen. I will def agree with you about Blue Planet 2, though.

I like my Cambridge unit since it operates as a pure transport. It has an isolated circuit, as in it has no onboard DAC circuitry to interfere with signal. I rely on separate components for DAC, Pre-Amp, mono block amps, etc …

BTW, I’m a big fan of your work, Adywan. Your releases were regularly populating my disc transports for years!

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#1255799
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4k77 released
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skywalkerfan101 said:

DVD-BOY said:

skywalkerfan101 said:

benduwan said:

skywalkerfan101 said:

Speaking of 2160p. What’s the recommended disc size for burning 4k?

4,7gb

Are you sure? When burning the Despecialized ISOs (with the menus), I needed discs that were 25GB or higher.

I think he might be “yanking your chain”…

05-Star.Wars.4K77.2160p.UHD.DNR.35mm.x265-v1.0.mkv is 48.3 GB (51,888,898,602 bytes) in size. That will not fit on a BD50, so you would be looking at something like a triple layered BD100.

BUT, it’s not as simple as a size of disc - to make the ISO you need to author a build a UHD 4K compliant Blu-ray, which this source video will not be. I’m not aware of anyone working on such a thing.

Forget burning it to disc, and instead pick up a high quality, fast USB stick (64GB). That will be your best option at present.

Or I can just change the mkv to something more fitting for a disc. I personally want physical copies for my film collection (I’ve been making cover art). BD100 would make sense space-wise. For this movie in particular, I’m going to find a way to burn it on a disc (if an ISO is never made) with the original English Mono Track only (as it was heard in theaters in 1977).

Yeah, I feel the same way. I like to have everything readily available on discs, too.

For now, I’m planning to take the DNR version at 2160p H.265 file .mkv file I torrented and use HandBrake to convert it down to a 1080p H.264 .mkv file at 23.978 fps. Then I’m going to use either AVCHDCoder or DVDFab to author it onto a 25GB Blu Ray disc (EDIT FROM THE FUTURE: this did not work. 1080p required 50GB blanks).

A 4K version like this downsampled to 1080p will still look amazing because the source resolution is so high. I have a 75 inch LG UHD TV and a Cambridge Audio UHD media player (capable of reading this file off a USB, I might add), and 4K discs hardly look that different than 1080p to the naked eye in terms of perceiving pure resolution from a normal viewing distance. The best part of commercial UHD technology, IMO, is the expanded color gamut conferred by either HDR or Dolby Vision technology, which these projects have not and cannot take advantage at present.

In my experience, there’s a barely perceptible difference in resolution between 2160p and 1080p (I have 30+ UHD 4K movies and have compared several with the 1080p releases); the most important factor is a high quality and high res source scan. That’s what I’m paying for when I buy 4K discs.

This is also why I just bought the new Criterion release of The Princess Bride. It was a 4K scan downsampled to 1080p, and it looks gorgeous compared to my older 1080p release of the same film. The difference is the source.

That said, if someone knows how to author the DNR 2180p H.265 file to an .iso or has a bead on a good 4K .iso copy somewhere, I definitely wouldn’t turn my nose up at it. I may try the ClownBD program, as suggested further up the thread (EDIT FROM THE FUTURE: ClownBD didn’t help).

Any experts care to offer bulletproof advice on how to do this (with any combination of software, not necessarily ClownBD)? If so, I’m all ears. (EDIT FROM THE FUTURE: DVDFab Blu Ray Creator did the trick for 1080p. I am assuming that DVDFab UHD Creator would author 2160p discs without issue)

Also, this is my first post in over 10 years or so. I joined this forum back in 2004 …

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#247967
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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The SE version may look better, but it definitely doesn't represent the way the film had to be put together back in 1976. To create that battle in 1976 was amazing, while re-creating it in 1996 seems a whole lot more pedestrian.


My thoughts exactly. Star Wars was technically stunning back then! I mean face-meltingly groundbreaking. I am still amazed at their resourcefullness when I watch these films. I adore seeing all of those original optical effects. The practical models and miniatures and computer-controlled stop-motion animation was just revolutionary. I want to see all of that. All the sweat and blood and work that went into those effects is evident! Those guys were geniuses and it was a labor of love and it showed. This is so much more impressive to me than having some CG hackzor whip up effects on his Mac that countless others could replicate.

I love it when filmmakers of today chose practical effects over digital. Practical effects have a gravity and weight to them that digital has yet to recreate in my opinion. I have yet to see a digital effects film that doesn't look fake to my eye. I feel like FX these days are most sucessful when they blend the two, using digital effects only sparingly. Underworld is a great example of this. While the film is admittedly flawed, most of those effects look sensational since they used CGI only when absolutely necessary.
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#243797
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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Originally posted by: mverta
It doesn't even "feel" softer, while watching it, and probably for good reason - even in this frame-by-frame scrutinization, the sharpness difference is quite subtle. Is that progress? 1% sharper, 20% dirtier? You guys are an easy crowd, I guess.

i disagree. every laserdisc release "feels" and is softer than the dvd since the image is of much lower resolution. i own them all and performed an AB switch comparison against the pre-93's american release, the japanese laserdiscs, the faces laserdiscs, and the definitive laserdiscs.
the improvement in resolution is dramatic; certainly more than 1%. it's more like a 20% gain at least.

Originally posted by: Mielr
I own both the DC and the Faces LDs, and they are much fuzzier than the DVDs. I think the softer picture of the LDs hides a multitude of sins- including film grain and some of the aliasing.


this i agree with. the limitations of the laserdisc format are hiding and softening a lot of the detail that the dvds are capable of capturing. i also happen to own plenty of other (non-SW) laserdiscs, and everything looks a little soft and mushy in this format, and for good reason ... laserdisc records images at a significantly lower resolution than dvd. it is entirely possible that the lasers were filtered, but the format is limited.
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#243633
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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whew! glad i'm not alone. these are some great comments, guys.

last night i undertook an AB switch comparison with the faces and DC discs.
there is no comparison. the OUT dvds absolutely blow laserdisc out of the water.
i am one phenomenally happy star wars fan. even if they are being doctored to look deliberately worse than they otherwise would (which seems a little extreme, even for lucas), this is still by far the finest presentation of the original trilogy yet released.
i delight in its crispy, grainy splendor. i'm in star wars geek heaven. no it's not anamorphic, but it's a nice, official, raw transfer of the old THX masters. i'll take 'em and love 'em warts and all.

for the record i still feel manipulated for having to buy that deplorable '04 release (both times). the first, just so i could have some semblance of SW on DVD. the second, so i could get this release into my hot little hands. but today, all of this displeasure with lucas' manipulative marketing tactics is outweighed by my rapture with this release. if or when lucasfilm releases better transfers of the original theatrical trilogy, i'm sure i'll buy those too. now excuse me while i watch them again and drool on myself.
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#243256
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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Originally posted by: zombie84
If Moth3r's transfer is any indication, the actual Laserdisks themselves should yield the same or better image than the OOT disks.


not on my equiptment ... by a long shot.


edit: i don't mean to disrespect zion's or mother's amazing work. on the contrary; i'm excited to see the finished products! i'd also be curious to see what these experts could do using the OUT as source material.
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#243251
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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what does everyone think?
i just scanned through the discs, and here's my opinion ...

i own both the faces and the definitive laserdisc collection (and the japanese discs). i have a reference quality elite LDS2 pioneer laserdisc player ($5000 new), as well as two LD-V8000 industrial players that were previously owned by lucasfilm (the only LD players lucasfilm ever used). they aren't XO, but they produce a damn good image. i also own the editdriod rips and the rowman/47 rips.

to my eye, when played, these official discs look several factors better than any of the other copies i own. SEVERAL factors.

i am more than pleasantly surprised by the quality here (though anamorphic would have been nice, and i'm still holding out hope).

i for one am satisfied. am i alone here or are some of us breathing a collective sigh of relief? if you've seen the discs, please post your impressions.
(i already posted this in the best buy tin thread, but i think it deserves its own thread).
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#243247
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the deal with the Best Buy tin ...
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okay, i just scanned through the discs.
i own both the faces and the definitive laserdisc collection (and the japanese discs). i have a reference quality elite LDS2 pioneer laserdisc player ($5000 new), as well as two LD-V8000 industrial players that were previously owned by lucasfilm (the only LD players lucasfilm ever used). they aren't XO, but they produce a damn good image. i also own the editdriod rips and the rowman/47 rips.

to my eye, when played, these official discs look several factors better than any of the other copies i own. SEVERAL factors.

i couldn't be happier and am more than pleasantly surprised by the quality here (though anamorphic would have been nice .... oh well).

i for one am satisfied.
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#243230
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the deal with the Best Buy tin ...
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omg, the tin is gorgeous! it holds all three regularly sized cases. the pics in the web make it look thinner than it really is. the best buy store in san diego only has 95 in stock and people were swarming like locusts to get them at opening. there actually was a line!

i heartily recommend it. btw, i'll update answers to my own questions about the audio as soon as i get the chance.

jenny: that line was rumored to be in one of the theatrical mono mixes, but i've never heard it outside of the npr radio drama. it goes like so ...

she's beautiful.
so's life, kid.
she's rich.
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#243095
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the deal with the Best Buy tin ...
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hey everybody,

just wondering if someone could explain the situation with the exclusive Best Buy tin. does it house the regular cases, or slimline cases, or just envelopes or what?

also (re: the OUT), i was reading some of the other threads, and am still unsure about the following audio bits ...
1) which aunt beru? the faces one or the aussie?-not the aussie
2) does 3PO explain about the tractor beam being coupled to the main reactor in seven locations?-that's a no
3) close the blast doors?-that's a no
4) blast it, biggs or wedge?-blast it, biggs

thanks for your time!

edit:
5) you're lucky you don't taste very good?-that's a yes
6) so's life, kid (unlikely, i know)?-no dice
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#218245
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The Other side of the 30th Anniversary
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i also enjoyed sky captain quite a bit. like sw, it was an homage to the old 30's serials.

the underworld movies also showed great maturity in their use of cgi. they used as many practical models as possible (like in the golden days of horror SFX ... the 1980's), and used CGI as sparingly as possible and only when absolutely necessary. i really enjoyed watching the making of docs on the DVD. those werewolf suits were so well done.
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#215604
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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s'cool. the top tier academic life is not for the vast majority of sane folks, even if you do love your project down through the bones. in fact, i'm convinced that you have to be a kind of sociopath to really succeed in that world. ie be driven totally by ego, glory/nobel lust, or masochism. as jayne says, "when does that get fun?" i say nev-ahhhh!

i haven't gone the furry/cosplay route either, but i definitely wouldn't judge if someone were into that, you know? people are into all kinds of freaky stuff, but who's to say what's socially acceptable and what's not? so long as the kids are enjoying themselves, i say rock on wit' your bad-ass little furry selves.

it sounds like you have a good attitude, scruffy. if you are open to it, and if you put yourself out there, i'm confident that before too long some lovely little thing will be caught up in your arms, cuddling and snoodling you, and then you'll be like "damn, i wish i had more time to get my dork on at originaltrilogy.com with my bros or maybe read a comic once in a while" and she'll be like "take out the garbage, scruffy" and then it's all "let's have a baby or five" and then with the mortgage and the tuition and the car payments and the insurance, and before you know it you'll already be like 70. dang. if you can quote hamlet, you're already half-way there, smoove.
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#215597
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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awww ... that's a sad tale, my friend. you must be doing something wrong if'n your life isn't full of warmth and love. remember, too much time in the lab or the library will leave you a dessicated husk of a man. you should reconsider your priorities, and start kissing those frogs!

i passed the message along, but i wouldn't get your hopes up. though surprisingly amenable to the nerd fringe culture, i somehow doubt she'd go in for the intertron dating scene despite your charming overtures. she did say she got "all splooshy," before giggling and running out of my room (whatever that means). this from a 30 year old.

chicks.

oh, and i'm with you on the genius that is frank miller. i have yet to check out the loeb books but i've heard good things ...
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#215573
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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well, you know the old saw--with great power comes absolute whineyness ... er, or corrupted absolution .... or something like that. yeah, anakin does seem to surround himself with a neigh-impenetrable field of whineyness. i wonder, could it be even more powerful than superman's bioelectric field? by the simple metric of my ear, anakin's impressive whineyness is far more insipid than any conceivable bioelectric field.

as it happens, i have access to the supercomputer center at UC San Diego. if we wrote up a decent proposal we could potentially have thousands of number-crunching hours at our whimsy. maybe if we framed it as an AI experiment. any AI programmers in our midsts?

btw, my (female) roommate was reading this thread over my shoulder and just declared her love for you, scruffy! hats off to you, good sir! it's a wonky world when exhaustive knowledge of superman scores high with the ladies.
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#215539
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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only if the lightsaber crystal was kryptonite. otherwise, i would doubt it as supes can withstand laserblasts pretty readily. however, you're forgetting the operationalization problem ... and perhaps the self-reflexive satire thing too. hmm ... maybe they could use a quantum shadowing technique between dimensions to relate scrabble turns. i bet superman would trounce anakin at scrabble. i mean, anakin never seemed all that articulate. that may have something to do with george lucas, though (i wish that i could just wish away the bad writing).

toward the operationalization quandry--the dimension inhabited by star wars ostensibly is also our own, just a long time ago and far, far away, right? i know of no city in my dimension called metropolis, but surely an incarnation of supes at some point inhabited our dimension. if so, then that superman could simply fly around the earth, reversing it's rotation thereby travelling back in time (a la superman the movie). then he could occupy the same time and dimension as anakin, which would leave the small matter of flying his super butt over to the mustafar and presto ... scrabble championship face-off.
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#215530
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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ah ha! it's a social science term. that explains why i've never heard of it. i always get social science confused with pseudo science (or confused with studio gainax)! silly me.

funny, m-w.com had no definition for it, but wikipedia was all over that shiznit.
thanks for educating me, scruffy, and for the entertaining thread! couching the definition in terms i can readily relate to, ie oiled-up ladies wresting, really brought that home for me. it resonates deep, deep inside. deep inside. like, in a fajita.
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#215520
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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i'm thinking tag team combat ...

on one side you have Lt. Commander Data, Robbie the Robot, and Astro Boy and on the other there's Roy Batty, Twiki, and 4-LOM.
oooooh yeah ... in an all-out no-holds-barred robot wrestling match, BABY. my bets would be on the latter team, as Twiki is the only one with a semblance of ethics .... the other two are just plain ruthless MOFOs.

ah crap, but then theres' that "operationalization" jazz. you totally made that word up, didn't you? is that somehow related to the human instrumentality project? i thought so.

EDIT: spelling
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#206427
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Star Wars Original Trilogy had 'it', but 'it' is hard to explain.
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i totally agree, i caught these movies in the theater the first time around, and never stopped watching them. it's my first and last great obsession.
CO asks a great question: why are these movies so timeless and popular regardless of culture, and shouln't i be bored with them by now? to be sure, the mythic elements are resonant across civilizations and definitely help to make star wars accesible to all, but it's only a formula. few other films employing these tropes come close to the emminent watchability of the OOT.

ultimately i think it was a complex of variables:
1. mythic goodness
2. fantastic chemistry between actors (lucas sensibly spent a great deal of time on casting)
3. great writers helping lucas out
4. he borrowed the coolest stuff that kids from his era grew up loving and imitating on the playground, and blended all of these very FUN elements with "impeccable taste and panache" (westerns, flash gordon type serials, monster movies, war movies) into a delicious cinematic souffle. they're so much FUN to watch, and i think that accounts for a lot.
5. most importantly, he was plain lucky. everything just clicked while making these films. he had the right people surrounding him at the right time and the right place and he was a hungry, young artist desperate to prove himself. everything fell into place, and to his credit he birthed a work of genius.

with the prequels lucas was far from being a desperate artist. the primary concern was no longer the manufacture of profoundly artistic films; he was more concerned with advancing the technology of movie making. being surrounded by yes-men probably doesn't help. the emperor wears no flannel ... ewww.
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#206213
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ITS HAPPENED-- OOT AVAILABLE FROM LUCASFILM
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i also am very curious about what sort of audio choices lucasfilm will make, especially considering that there is really no such thing as a definitive OOT star wars, since there four different reels distributed to theaters opening day back in '77. but over and above that, there were SO many changes over the years ...
"we've stopped"
"most of his friends have gone"
"that one's secure?/the door's locked"
of course the infamous "The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave."
"she's beautiful. so's life, kid." <--- based on rumor?
chewie's growl at the skateboard droid
"close the blast doors."
"blast it! wedge/biggs, where are you?"
"he's on your tail"
"thanks, threepio"
"this is it"
"oh, this is suicide/there's nowhere to go"
"you're lucky you don't taste very good/you're lucky you got out of there"
"run! yes"
"who are you?"
luke's grunt
luke's scream
"bring my shuttle./alert the star destroyer to perpare for my arrival"
"star destroyer"
"it's all right. trust me. don't move./it's all right, i can see a lot better"
"we're sure in the middle of it now"

and what's really got me worried are ...
censored blaster shots?
trooper head bonk?

let's hope that we get a decent version!
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#206204
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ITS HAPPENED-- OOT AVAILABLE FROM LUCASFILM
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oh my dear sweet lordy, i can't believe it has finally happened.
halle-fskn-lujah!
i'm actually having to hold back some tears here.

cheers to all of you for all of your amazing efforts over the years. this has been one of the few star wars oriented sites on the net that i've actually enjoyed.
THANK YOU ALL!

(and shame on you georgie-boy, for being so greedy. i hope you're enjoying all that green. now go make some decent indy films!!)