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#275244
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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And I'm sorry the shit took so long, but anyone who wants to up anything, feel free to do so. Single disc stripped versions to demonoid or usenet, whatever, divx versions, the whole shebang in authored DL form, whatever. Please do so. DJ, I don't know if you're still holding off from upping what you've got for whatever reason, but please don't Unleash it.
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#275189
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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Alright, it has been put up on an FTP. It will be available for as long as possible, so I would get it as SOON as possible. Thanks to my boy Louie.

log into the ftp with this info -

respectthejooks.com
login = wwwresp
pass = 4horsemen

then go to -

public_html > jooksed >

There are 2 SR folders in there. Get em both, and you'll have all of ADM's source files. I believe if you just get the first folder, you'll get the movie only.
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#274771
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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I apologize for the slow wait on this, but I got a friend, Louie over in Britain-land and he's got an FTP site he's upping this stuff to, plus Harlock appears to be RapidSharing as well, so there will be links shortly to the source files that were sent to me. Also, Lou has hooked up a divx version for those who might not have the bandwidth and don't want to spend 5 days downloading the thing.

The links to these should be showing up shortly.

Again, I'd like to stress, it was LOVELY watching ADM re-edit this thing. And not just because a lot of my ideas were incorporated--he went his own way quite a few times and never once did his re-configuring of this movie feel out of place. The only two edits I caught were because the music didn't fade out as long as it should have, if those two edits could have been masked (And I may have only caught them because I actually do sound and music editing for a living) I guarantee Warner's could release this legitimately and not a single person would be the wiser that it was a fan with his own equipment that re-cut the film.
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#271516
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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yeah, I think that must have been to seriously preserve picture quality--as the job Warner's did on the theatrical version wasn't the best in the first place. I peeled off everything BUT the feature and shrunk it down to single layer to see how that would work, and there were some artifacts, but nothing too bad, certainly not enough to separate itself tremendously from the original dvd.

but just the film is around 7.5 gigs. That's not counting the extras he put on the thing. I'm sure you could separate them out to "movie" "bonus disc" and do two single layers, but if you're anal about watching compressed movies, you might wanna stick to the DL. Upping it as DL (or mailing it out) at least gives you the choice as to whether you wanna shrink it back down or get your dual layer burn on.
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#271436
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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This thing moves quite well. I watched it with my girl and she didn't even catch that scenes were cut and new scenes inserted. Sure, that could speak to her unfamiliarity with the film, but I think it also speaks to how well this thing was edited that it feels so organic.

There's maybe only TWO edits I caught, and that's only because of shortened music fades. Everything else is done so perfectly that even *I* had a problem catching it, and I suggested half of the edits myself

Not for nothing, but this ranks right up there with some of ADM's best work, if not the best. Maybe I'm biased, but I think that'll hold up.

Still have yet to recieve a PM for the PiF. The DVD-Rom extras (if you're looking to shrink down to single layer, it'd essentially be disc 2) are top notch on top of the feature.
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#270476
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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Originally posted by: Donnerfan
One thing I'm curious about: I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but at the 3:52 mark, just as the planet explodes, there's a 'pop' in the audio. Is there something wrong with my speakers or was this simply a technical difficulty that was unavoidable for ADM?


I was re-watching the "Vergence of the Force" edit of TPM that he did (I still think it's an unwieldy, bad title, sorry ADM ) and I noticed this for the first time with my sub. I'm thinking it might have something to do with compression--it's not so much a pop as it is the low end has a very, very tight "THUMP" when it should be a smoother "boom" as it is on the retail dvd. That said, I didn't notice it when Krypton exploded, but I wasn't watching it on my 5.1 setup, either.

A little off-topic, but when I was grading the fan-edit competition last year, I gave Vergence lower marks than I think I should have. upon re-watching it, I'm pretty pleased with the flow, moreso than when I was grading. Maybe I was thinking a little too much like an editor and less like a plain old viewer, but I think I'd bump this up a grade and a half if I re-rated it now. I still think the "Hyperspace" cue is a little over-used during the podrace, sometimes more like a video-game loop than actual scoring, but the cut to the trench run cue really packed a punch this time.

Anyway, hoping DJ gets this up or ADM mails me the Superman Returns edit really, really soon, because I'm getting more anxious by the day. Seriously. As in I'm daily checking both the inbox AND the mailbox

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#268878
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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Details are in the first post.


I was very anticipatory before--now I'm REALLY anticipating seeing this thing in my mailbox.

Thanks three million, ADM. Can't wait to see it.

Question: Did you leave the credits alone? One of the very few criticisms I had about Superman Redeemed was that the opening credits felt very CBB to me, and NOT ADM. Although I understand that was your first crack, I think, at your own titles.



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#261417
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Superman Returns - Spoilers
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Wrote most of this back in August at the Home Theater Forum

Since the DVD doesn't have the Krypton sequence, you can go straight from the credits to the following edit:

Chop Luthor's Vanderworth Extortion sequence. Totally unneccessary. We don't need to know how he got his money, just like we don't need to see how he scored Kitty or how he gathered the group of thugs he has. He's Luthor. We'll roll with it. He's currently, SUCCESSFULLY plotting to create a new continent in the middle of the ocean while breaching the Fortress of Solitude. We'll be fine just assuming he swindled someone for cash or flat out robbed it.

Plus, this edit is REALLY easy because the ringing note at the end of the opening credits is the SAME as the ringing note at the end of the Vanderworth sequence.

So this means we go straight to Ma Kent at home. maybe reinstate some of the scrabble footage between the establishing shot of the homestead, but before Ben Hubbard drives off. From there we stay the same.

Reinstate some of the original intro to Luthor and Kitty from the Deleted scenes, and then cut to the "Fire from the Gods" conversation as it is in the film. This way you establish the dynamic between the two, and it serves as a better intro AND gets the villain plot rolling a lot quicker.

When Clark wakes up and looks outside, cut the flashback sequence to young clark learning his powers. Useless and unneccessary. Also cut Superman throwing the ball too far for his dog to catch. That's just Superman being a dick. Yeah, it's knee-jerk funny, but why would superman do that to his dog? Instead, reinstate the deleted scenes that show him wistfully staring at the ship, and then walking into the barn and reading the papers.

Cut from there straight into he and Martha talking, and then cut in the deleted scenes of Ben interrupting with his flowers, and Martha telling him a) She's moving to Montana and b) he's put there for a reason--use the much better dissolve to Metropolis. This cut highlights all of Clark's reluctance to even BE SUPERMAN. it heightens the drama because Clark isn't simply just trying to get Lois back all movie--he's trying to prove to HIMSELF as well as everyone else that the world DOES NEED a Superman. Even if he's reluctant. The self doubt doesn't take away from the romance angle, it enhances it, as well as enhancing the rooftop interview, the initial re-introduction to the Daily Planet, and the emotional payoff of the Plane Sequence. Now it's not just that he's saved people and returned, it's that he's saved people, returned, and proved to himself he's needed--that THIS is what he should be. That his mom was right to kick his ass and make him go to Metropolis. This also changes his reaction to finding Lois' desk: instead he's not pissed about the article--he's freaked about the kid surprise. It's not the ARTICLE that makes him run to the bar--it's the KID and HUSBAND that throws him.

When in Metropolis--take the time to re-insert the shot of Clark looking at his superman suit while in the closet. You might have to snake this from the trailer, since it's not a deleted scene.

After Clark hits metropolis the only real big cut that I think people would dig is the "Stalkerman" sequence where he's listening in. Honestly, you don't really need it. Tricky sound editors can use existing score to segue from him flying down the street of Metropolis, past the Daily Planet, and then cut up into the sky to his trip to the listening post. You can even pull some of the Brando voiceover out and replace with different music to change the point of the scene from him feeling shitty about Lois rejecting him, to him feeling steely and determined about returning to his job as Superman. Moving the bank rescue closer to the plane rescue also gives you more of an idea that Superman is BACK back.

I'm sure there's other little trims here and there, I can't think of any of em off the top of my head. The next big string of edits is this:

You cut the hospital sequence, instead going from Superman's body, prone in the crater, fade to black, and then hard cut to "Superman is Dead" and the scene plays out as normal until Richard approaches Lois, and Jason gives Lois the drawing. CHOP OUT ANY TV FOOTAGE. Keep the audio, keep Lois looking up at what we know is the TV offscreen, but do not show the TV footage. Cut to Richard saying "You don't have to be here" and then cut immediately to Lois looking at Jason's drawing, as it pans down the chain of cartoon people. Once it gets to Jason's self portrait, cut IMMEDIATELY to the 3 of them in the car driving to the hospital. The scene plays out as it normally does from that point on, ends up increasing the emotional content of the sequence because going straight from Superman's Body to "Superman is Dead" is a pretty fierce little cut there, and then revealing the size of the crowd as Lois walks into it and the camera cranes back to really show us the expanse is a much more powerful reveal of that crowd then by seeing it on a flatscreen at the Daily Planet first.

Cut out Lex and Kitty on the island. No one cares anymore by that point, and the closure is garbage, beacuse it's essentially a 2 minute dog-eating joke and that's it. It's enough that he got away. We know he's also gonna get away from the island, too, so the end point ends up being exactly the same as if the scene never existed.

So as Jason and Lois leave the room and the door shuts, immediately cut to the nurse walking through the halls to Superman's room, and let the end of the movie play out as it does in the film from that point on.

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#260879
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Superman II Donner, and III & IV extended edits
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The conversation VEERED to a topic where a couple were talking about a trilogy out of Superman I, Superman II, and Superman Returns. You may have intended one thing to happen in the thread you started, but it went somewhere else, and people jumped on there. Me being one of them. It happens, yunno?

It's not like a personal insult to your or something, but the fact you started the thread doesn't change what I said earlier about you not actually adding anything to that particular discussion inside the thread. That's what I'm pointing out. The thread you started veered into something else, and grew from there. Whether it's something you WANTED it to grow into somthing else doesn't really matter for the purposes of the conversation going where it organically went.

I'm not pissed off, it's just once the thread branched, you seemed to not notice that it had, and your counter-arguments became parallel and pointless for the purposes of the discussion that had sparked off, making the almost foot-stamping pouty authority you were tossing around seem extra weird. Which is why I was reacting like "Whoa..wait, what?"

That's not a fist-shaking "Goddamn you!" type thing, and that's not what I'm doing.



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#260736
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Superman II Donner, and III & IV extended edits
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Again, if you think that, then why are you inserting yourself into a discussion where people are trying to figure out how to tie them together even CLOSER?

That's the whole point of the line of questioning. If you don't give a shit, then your opinion as to how they shouldn't better fit together is fuckin worthless, man. You don't understand WHY someone would want to, so you can't HELP the people who DO want to. And if you can't help, then what's the point of wasting thousands of words saying otherwise?

Your argument has nothing to do with my argument. They're parallel.

I'm not saying you're not making sense. You are. The thing is, nobody's DEBATING what you're arguing. No one's even mentioning that. The whole premise is "If someone wants to try and make a TRILOGY out of the three movies, how would you best tie them together?" That's where I jumped in, after people started tossing around how to do that. If you think the first two and Returns are an island, then why waste the time to try and jump in at all? What's the point there? Or are you just arguing to argue because, as I figure, you don't really like the Singer flick and the mere IDEA of tying them together even closer than "the vague history" is offensive to you?

because "It's done. It's on DVD. Good night." seems like a strange line of thought for people who visit a fan-edit messageboard. If that was the line of thought people took with DVD's, this forum wouldn't exactly exist now, would it.

I think they're an island too, dude. I've said as much a couple times. I prefer Superman II to just END. No spinning back the world, no trip to the Diner, He drops Lois off, they agree to trust each other, he flies off and is Superman. That's my preference. But for the purposes of the discussion as to HOW to tie II into Returns closer so that Returns ends up being the end of the "trilogy" for these fan-edits, I can see how you could do it and still make sense of it, and that's what I'm talking about.

It's not that hard, man.
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#260648
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Superman II Donner, and III & IV extended edits
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The spinning around the world in SII WON'T tie it with SR. No sir, no.


I just explained how it would. Explain how it won't. It's not a complicated concept at all. It's pretty instinctive, actually, and overtly simple. not quite complicated at all.

Again, I don't understand how the kiss ties into Superman Returns better than "I humped Lois BEFORE I lost my powers, and then spun the world back to a couple hours after Superman The Movie, and then left, leaving Lois pregnant and with a very, VERY fuzzy vague recollection that anything happened at all."

That sets up her hooking up with Richard very perfectly (superman wasn't actually in her life very long by that reckoning, so it's no longer weird that she'd latch onto Richard so quickly after Superman leaves--Superman was all of what, a week in her life at that point, as she figures it?) The pregnancy, the reason she'd believe Richard was the father, the reason the kid has half Superman's powers, and gives Lex enough time to con his way out of jail and make it up to the Fortress on his own time.

The Kiss doesn't even APPROACH answering any of these questions if you're trying to link II and Returns.

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#260574
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Superman II Donner, and III & IV extended edits
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But your point that it matters where Superman is in those flicks when time is reversed is merely an assumption.


No it's not, or at least no more so than your assumptions in this debate here. Film is a pretty visual medium. I'm thinking we'd SEE Superman moving backwards, reversing his actions, if we were to think his position in time being run back was the same as everyone else's. Since we don't, since we see EVERYONE ELSE moving in reverse BUT Superman, the film is telling us something. That's not assumption, that's using the filmic evidence. Just as it's not an assumption that in the movie, turning the world backwards reverses time. Which is why I'm confused as to why you're bringing up Back to the Future--because we're not talking Back to the Future, we're talking about the rules set up in Superman The Movie.

And why would I have to prove that Lois was pregnant in I or II? It seems like a weird sidetrack to get caught in. I'm not trying to justify SR's existence as a movie, the point of the discussion I jumped in was to talk about people WHO ARE trying to tie SR to Superman II via their fan edit specifically, and provide them options they're not considering. So that's where I'm coming from. You seem to not like the idea at all, so I'm unsure as to why you're even in the argument, or trying to rebut arguments for people trying to link the two with their fan edits, since your solution negates the entire conversation completely. Which is kinda counterproductive as far as the people actually trying to link the two. I'm just providing an angle to tie the two movies together rather easily without having to use the wholly insipid "Magic Kiss."

I've already said I think my preferred Fan Edit of II would end with Superman flying away and trusting Lois to keep the secret, no magic kiss OR time reversal. But for the purposes of the conversation about linking II with SR via fan-edit, I think you could do it pretty easily, and with very little muss or fuss, by keeping the spinning the world back.
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#260496
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Superman II Donner, and III & IV extended edits
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I don't think it's all that silly. It's happened before in film. And considering most Superman fans (and even a fair amount of people who worked on the films themselves) don't really remember Superman III or Superman IV, nor do Supermans III and IV seem to have any continuity with I or II--why not ignore them?

Personally, though ,I would have preferred that Singer have adapted "Secret Identity" if he wanted to keep Superman grounded and attack many of the same themes he attacked in the movie. That graphic novel is one of the purest, most inspirational and heartfelt studies on Superman I've read.
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#260469
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Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
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oh, trust me, I went on the same mission you did earlier this year--even talked to a guy who was ON the production. He spoke like a man who feared he'd lose a limb if he even THOUGHT of leaking the thing

I think if there was a chance of him releasing it, it got squashed by the fact he's on the new show and it's doing so well and he's a pivotal character. Why allow it to "leak" out now? He's getting paid well, he's doing the best work of his career, and chances are it'd look corny in comparison.

I'd still LOVE to see it, if only to see Colicos doing Baltar one last time
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#260449
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Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
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Tellin ya, not gonna happen. It's been too long and word is Hatch actually KNOWS all the people who could possibly leak it out--so anyone wishing to do so would be getting a call from him personally. The crew wasn't that big, so you won't get an internal leak, and the people at the cons who saw it never taped it.

It never leaked. That's not even official word, that's word from the people who WOULD be leaking it, if they could. They just can't
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#260446
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Superman II Donner, and III & IV extended edits
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Dude, haven't you ever seen a time travel movie?

No. I'm a moron.

Yes, I've seen time travel movies. They all have their own internal logic/paradoxes mostly, from Primer to Terminator to Back to the Future to Timecop any myriad number of other movies. Like for instance, Superman, where SPINNING THE WORLD BACKWARDS (lol) rewinds everything that happens on the planet BUT SUPERMAN, since he's the one doing the spinning.

When time is reversed, EVERYTHING is reversed.

What? No it's not. Because HE'S not reversed. He's doing the reversing. Later on in this argument you use "Back to the Future" and When time is reversed, MARTY isn't reversed. It's not like he becomes a zygote and zips back into his fathers dick, right? That's sorta the same argument I'm making about Jason, since Superman isn't going back in time with Lois at the fortress. It very MUCH matters where someone is physically at the time of the reversal in the SUPERMAN movies. At least it matters where SUPERMAN is.

And if you use Back to the Future's time travel "rules" as a guide, as soon as you create another timeline via time travel, a second time traveller is also created, hence Marty seeing himself at the end of BTTF I. He went back in time and came


But--why would I? I'm watching Superman. I'm using SUPERMAN'S rules of time travel as a guide. When he goes back in time, he doesn't create another alternate timeline and another alternate Superman. So at that point, it's pretty obvious I can't use "Back to the Future's" rules because they, at that point, have NOTHING TO DO with Superman.

HOWEVER, all of this is meaningless when considering that fact that if you reversed the rotation of the earth, time would NOT rewind, but continue forward,


Sure--in real life. But in the cinematic universe of the Superman movies, apparently spinning the earth's rotation backwards reverses time. That's what we have to work with, that's what you have to keep in mind, and there ARE rules to it, and your reasoning doesn't match up.

What your argument sounds like is a mix-n-match of cinematic tropes to explain to yourself by any means necessary that Superman never impregnated Lois so as to ensure that no one tries to tie "Superman Returns" into any sort of continuity since you don't like it.

Which is fine.

I like it, but I don't NEED to have Returns tied into continuity. But since people here are talking about making fan edits to do just that, I figured I might as well explain exactly HOW that can work without having to re-introduce one of the hokiest, crappiest, poorly implemented and poorly thought out "powers" in the entire Superman lexicon, almost worse than a Cellophane S and Eye-Beams that can move the bricks back into the great wall. So far, the only halfway explained reasoning as to why the Super-Kiss belongs there is from the guy who says "It's been there 25 years." and no one else can come up with a reason why the kiss works any better than spinning the world backwards again.

If you're talking about making the best Superman II without any sort of connection to returns, then simply cut out all the world spinning nonsense AND the super-kiss and have Clark trusting Lois on that Balcony to stay quiet about the secret and then have him fly straight to the North Pole. That's the simplest, and probably best choice if all you're concerned with is making Superman II itself the best Superman II it can be, everything else be damned. Re-introducing the Super-Kiss means you either have to a) excise the balcony scene or b) have Clark ruin it (like he ruined it by spinning the world back) the next morning with Crackhead Lois getting kissed on her skeletal face to forget.

Bizzle, are you serious about advising newcomers to skip Superman II in favor of Bryan Singer's ultimate fanfic?


Sure. Superman II, even if Donner had gotten his way, was going to be flawed and corny. It wasn't going to stand up, and while it would have stood up better than Lester's, I think, it'd have slowly slid in quality much like Donner's Lethal Weapon flicks did. Calling it "Bryan Singer's Ultimate Fanfic" is cute, but it comes down to personal preference. Superman Returns breaks just as many "Superman Rules" as Superman II does, but does it in a more emotionally honest fashion. They both (Donner and Singer) start to run roughshod over the mythology in their sequels, so it comes down to a choice of HOW they did it, and I think, even though I really DO like the Donner Cut, I prefer the way Singer fleshed out those same concerns.

Now, don't get me wrong--the movie is too long, and Singer made the wrong choices in his cutting, excising a lot of the SOUL of the movie in favor of focusing on Lois, which stretches the movie's feelings very thin and makes the movie feel, as some have put it, "Stalker-ish" but some of those shots attain a DIFFERENT meaning when viewed after seeing some of the Smallville Deleted Scenes that show Clark's real dilemma wasn't "I need Lois back for more lovin" but "Should I even BE a Superman again?"

Which is, of course, the same sort of topic Donner was exploring in II. Donner explored it with Disco Villains and Product Placement getting slammed into, with Superman killing people, boning in a giant mylar bed and taking revenge on bullies. Singer explored it by visiting Krypton, pining over Lois, Learning that he has a kid and throwing a chunk of his planet back into space.

But I do believe "Returns," is a better made movie than II. Either version. Or even whatever hybrid version the fan-editors here will come up with. And when someone (ADM, I'm lookin at you) chops together a fan-edit version of Returns, then it'll be even better.

and III and IV shouldn't even be introduced into the equasion here, as far as comparison to Returns. There's no way anyone's going to convince me they have any appreciation of the craft of filmmaking and then go on to say Superman Returns isn't as good as III or IV. That's either nostalgia taking over, or a gross misunderstanding of what makes a decent film.
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#260359
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Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
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Gonna be impossible to find. The licensing he secured in order to make the trailer specified that this couldn't be sold or shown outside of conventions, otherwise he'd have to pay penalty fees. It was never taped, never digitized and never made available on the internet anywhere.

There's a few production photos, but the trailer itself is pretty much nada.