TestingOutTheTest

Instead of just complaining how it ruins the original film and how it is “wrong” to do, try explaining your points in a more logical way. Make your case without being rude to other people’s ideas. Change A could actually hurt the message of the original film for Reason A, Reason B and Reason C.

Part of fanediting is about changing the message of the film itself. Some changes may not just be to change the effect of a shot but part of the story, and you need to get better at respecting that faneditors do not care about the original message, they are trying to make their own message with the given material.

Hmm… It’s one thing to change a message, but make it weaker or muddy it? One opposition I had was that hinting at Palpatine in TFA or TLJ could hurt the latter’s themes of hope, for the reason… well, I felt like there wouldn’t be a reason to be hopeful since Palps is just gonna come back and shit on everything (I’m leaning towards the middle, and I’m not so sure about whether it does or not).

Similarly I pointed out that I felt like removing Finn’s interest in telling Rey his secret would make his arc of moving on from her and letting her go weaker. Or when we talked about the Luke puppet show, I was essentially saying that it’d make it less about the galaxy itself and more about Luke’s actions. We all have our own interests in what seem like good ideas but feel like it should be stronger due to its supposed importance but (sometimes) not feeling too impactful enough in the actual cut.

EDIT: A goal of filmmaking is to make sure it resonates enough with the audience. For example, I also pointed out that changing Leia’s saber to purple could make the themes of the Skywalker legacy weaker, more specifically the symbolism of Rey using “Skywalker” to defeat Palpatine.

When you are making comments explaining to someone what a plot hole is, that’s degrading. Anyone on this site knows what that is, and by doing so, it makes you look like a dick.

Apologies. The definition of a plot hole has been muddied over the years, from “Character doing X instead of Y” or an unresolved plot thread or something that isn’t even explained.

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There is a way to provide meaningful criticism and debate an issue without doing it in a rude way.

Could you give me an example of how to do that when it comes to fan edits and how I respond to specific changes?

Ed Slushie said:

Perhaps there should be a dedicated thread for edits that only change the filmmaking, rather than the story itself?

I’m not sure what you mean by the filmmaking, but I did set up a thread for discussions about edits.

There is a way to provide meaningful criticism and debate an issue without doing it in a rude way.

When I initially post the criticism in the first place, it doesn’t seem rude, more like pointing out what it’s missing or how it’ll negatively affect the movie/edit. Think of how a parent calls out their child for doing something wrong, or something similar with authorities and people who’re unintentionally breaking laws. I’m sure you guys have good intentions, but I’m just trying to let you see the bigger picture here.

You act like your ideas are better than anyone else’s

When? Name a few examples.

and then turn into a defensive ass when anyone calls you out on how you are rudely criticizing something.

Again, so you guys’ll listen.

It’s one thing to fan edit. It’s another to refuse criticism of what exactly you’re editing.

“F$#k anyone criticizing fan edits and the like, and f&@k anyone pointing out misguidedness”

I feel like what you’re proposing would be a plot hole (you’re probably already aware of what it is, but when two plot points directly contradict each other).

JackNapier said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Didn’t Obi-Wan find out about his name in the hologram?

Obi-Wan learned that Vader survived through a holonews broadcast that showed an image of ol’darthie walking and over it the broadcaster called him Darth Vader.

We’re taking movie canon, here.

@Peter Pan Obi-Wan knew about the attack on the Jedi temple

SparkySywer said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

“Rey being a Palpatine was unnecessary/pointless and undermined her character arc in TLJ and the message that ‘bloodlines are not a requirement to be Force-sensitive’.”

There’s something really cheeky about putting this in this thread, but I can’t put it into words. I was gonna say that it was super ballsy to call it baffling when, even if you disagree with them, there are pretty reasonable criticisms of Rey Palpatine. But that’s a little subjective, isn’t it?

Maybe it has to do with the quality of the argument in favor. Because you literally say “Sure, Rey has gotten over her parents by the end of TLJ, but she didn’t get over her grandparents” in the thread you linked.

I’m saying she never really focused on or thought of her grandparents at all in the first place. She’s relying on her parents because she believes that the only way she could’ve been abandoned is if she was worthless — after all, parents are supposed to care for you and nurture you, and only truly worthless people deserve to be abandoned.

Didn’t Obi-Wan find out about his name in the hologram?

sade1212 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

In ANH Obi-Wan described Vader as having hunted down the Jedi, so your idea conflicts with that.

Also, so… Obi-Wan’s lying to Padmé to locate Anakin?

I can’t believe I’m engaging with Testing again but… plenty of Jedi survived Order 66. In both the old EU and the current canon, there are many comics and stories of Vader finding and killing these survivors. Vader killing most of them when they were all rounded up in a temple is barely “hunting down” to begin with!

Okay, but how would Obi-Wan know about that?

Hmm. I’m starting to feel like, given the distance between Endor and Exegol, it had to have taken a decent amount of time.

In ANH Obi-Wan described Vader as having hunted down the Jedi, so your idea conflicts with that.

Also, so… Obi-Wan’s lying to Padmé to locate Anakin?

Not actually my post, just found it on Reddit.

How else am I supposed to elaborate and back up my points with evidence, inferences and subtext?

The point of a defense is to explain why it’s the opposite of what you’re saying.

jedi_bendu said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Honestly, that would undermine Luke’s arc and strip him of his personal motivation to fight the Empire.

It would be a fake-out death for both of them, but Luke wouldn’t know that. He’d still believe they were killed and would never get to reunite with them, so he’d still have his motivation for fighting the empire.

I think Rodney’s idea is a very fun ‘what if’ concept.

Apologies for the late response. I’m saying it’s more meaningful if they actually were dead, and that Luke acting on a lie would be less meaningful than what we got.

I saw that version. OP’s description seemed like it’s saying that the blade would retract within the same shot after Luke turns it on BEFORE we cut to a different angle, and that the lightsaber would be off completely when we pan down to see Ben (in your clip, we don’t see Ben looking at Luke and the saber).

Every ten seconds throughout the saga (including the opening crawl, opening logos and end credits), Childish Gambino is seen taking a shit on his cousin’s car.

TPM: ???

AOTC: There’d be no indication of Dooku being a Sith, up until Anakin and Obi-Wan’s fight with him.

ROTS: Vader’s “Nooo!” is more similar to in the Disney canon comic series from Charles Soule, but the “Nooo!” from the actual film is generally kept.

ANH: Opens right after the Death Star fires on Scarif during Rogue One, we get Vader’s hallway rampage as visual storytelling for how much he’s grown since ROTS and for him being Palpatine’s enforcer. Then the Rebels escape, leading right into the Star Destroyer chasing the Tantive IV.

ESB: Palpatine’s appearance would be consistent with ROTJ (Adywan’s version still doesn’t really look right)

ROTJ: ???

TFA: Endor would be the capital of the Republic, not Hosnian Prime.

TLJ: Reveal Palpatine at the end, after the scene with Temiri Blagg. Pryde goes to Exegol and shows him a hologram of Snoke’s corpse. Palpatine, on his throne, though his face is initially unseen, is impressed; “The boy is ready.” We see Sith acolytes and vats of deteriorated Palpatine clones, one of which closely resembles Snoke. The machine picks up Palpatine off of the throne and pulls him closer to the holographic light. “The boy’s sacrifice will soon be complete.” The lightning flashes bright, we see his face for the first time since ROTJ, now corpse-like, his eyes empty, his body frail, his skin pale. He smiles sinisterly. Hard cut to black, and cue credits.

TROS: Replace Kijimi with Coruscant.

“Rey being a Palpatine was unnecessary/pointless and undermined her character arc in TLJ and the message that ‘bloodlines are not a requirement to be Force-sensitive’.”

Also, “Rey beat Kylo Ren without any training”… EVEN THOUGH KYLO REN WAS SHOT IN THE FUCKING SKELETON AND WAS BLEEDING TO DEATH AND IN SO MUCH PAIN HE HAD TO HIT HIMSELF SO IT’D STOP HURTING!

Are you considering including anything related to Palpatine to set up TROS?

WIP: Luke deactivates his lightsaber immediately in the third flashback; he doesn’t realise Kylo is awake and hears it. VFX shot courtesy of SparkySywer.

Wait, did he actually complete the shot? I knew he had plans to make that edit a while back, but he actually finished it?

Instead of seeing Leia in a coma, Luke would see Palpatine.

Recently finished watching Glitch Techs for the sixth time, and by God it’s still really enjoyable. There’s some minor things that bug me or tick me off, and there is one not-so-good episode that I always skip (alongside two others - those aren’t really bad, but there’s something that’s triggered some PTSD within me, though not actual PTSD), but overall it’s still really enjoyable.

You should give it a watch on Netflix if you’re really into sci-fi or animation!