One interpretation I have on my mind is that Snoke never at once referred to the bond/dyad itself, but more that he manipulated Rey seeing Ben’s future and Ben seeing Rey’s future and parents.
Do they sound the same as in ROTS?
The puppet show is done! I can’t find the link but it’s buried somewhere in the thread.
The graffiti is currently in limbo, I’m not sure if someone is actively working on it.
I’ve gotten the new Jedi dialogue from the actor who played Sors Bandeam in ROTS, but I’m currently having trouble separating audio layers in the original scene to add it in.
Wait, you’ve gotten in contact with him?
(even if it was plausible some stormtroopers survived the Supremacy’s destruction, the deleted scene has Phasma finish all the troopers off before her own death).
Phasma would kill most of the troopers and then Finn engages her before she gets to complete it.
Knight of Kalee said:
Regarding Jannah, I think it would be a bit of a pacing issue to introduce a seemingly random stormtrooper in the midst of the story in a way that could feel organic. Maybe a throwaway reference could work (a name drop for “TZ-1719” over comms).
You’re the guy who suggested readding the elevator scene with the troopers and Finn, where the trooper congradulates Finn. You even proposed having that same trooper be the first one to turn on Phasma if JJB adds “Phasma’s End” into the novel. The trooper could simply be changed to female, and we get to meet Jannah in TROS as usual but ties to this hypothetical whatever.
How is giving suggestions harassment?
Too dark for Star Wars imo.
To be fair, ROTS exists and in ESB Luke willingly jumps to his death to avoid joining Vader.
Also doesn’t make much sense. Crying is a much more realistic reaction to her accepting reality.
The thing is that Rey wants to be happy to push away her feelings of self-loathing and hatred, but when facing the reality she believes there’s no option left, that it’s pointless… until she remembers that the Resistance and everyone else can still give her that value.
There is one idea I have on my mind, but haven’t fully made my decision. When Rey faces the truth of her parents… she, in the very throne room, physically harms herself, claws herself in the face, attempts suicide, facing and coming to terms with the reality that her parents, indeed, believed she was worthless. Unlovable. Nothing.
I feel like it’d add weight to the reveal of her parents, making it the emotional climax of Rey’s specific story about her parents it should’ve been, but, again, fully haven’t made my decision.
What do you think?
What “unneeded complications” would Jannah bring, exactly?
I know about vocabulary, it’s just… that it kinda gives me the odd feeling Terrio’s dialogue and the prequels’ dialogue do as well.
Are you suggesting that they’re infallible masterpieces that didn’t need to be rewritten? If so, wtf are you doing here?
No, just pointing out that changing things ISN’T wasting time. Apologies for the wording.
It just doesn’t add anything substantial.
Leads up to TROS.
Plus I’d have to rewrite a whole bunch of stuff for no good reason.
To be fair, you’ve spent your time rewriting the TROS novel and now the TLJ novel.
It can be assumed that the other stormtroopers were among the few survivors.
Jannah could be.
Jar Jar Bricks said:
No because presumably most or a lot of the people on the Supremacy die after the lightspeed ram.
And yet Finn, Rose, Phasma and some other stormtroopers survive. Even Knight of Kalee suggested having that trooper be the first one to turn on Phasma after Finn exposes her.
Plus, my TROS novel creates the impression that she was special forces for Pryde (and obviously he wasn’t on the Supremacy).
Novels can be changed for consistency.
Is it possible to have the trooper actually be Jannah?
[Retches so badly.]
What the actual fuck
How’s this for lesson two? I appreciate feedback here. I could also send the caretaker village stuff but most of that remains the same.
So apparently you plan to add that deleted scene (I’m aware it’s there in the actual novel, but… yeah). I personally don’t think it should be there.
In the film, without the scene, it seemed like Luke and Rey were making progress, but it comes crashing down when she finds out “what happened” and when he finds her with Ben later. And I think the following is just me, but I also kind of liked the transition from the second lesson to the FO shooting down the Resistance and think it’d be strange if we cut from the cut scene to the Resistance storyline.
Proof that they should recognize him comes from TFA. During the battle of Takodana, he is recognized as a stormtrooper by another one even though there’s no real indicator of it. Remember when the guy with the baton thingy shouts “Traitor!” at him?
He had to have been there when Finn escaped with Poe.
The problem I had with that elevator scene before is that all troopers at this point should know about the infamous FN-2187.
The FO is MASSIVE (in terms of the amount of people), of course they wouldn’t know about Finn’s betrayal.
I mean the entire scene is about Finn fighting Phasma. I guess it could work if inserted before the actual fight between them by itself.
Also, I haven’t seen that deleted scene in a while, but don’t they simply stand there when Finn spills the beans about Phasma?
It’d take focus from the point of the scene, Finn fighting the embodiment of his former enslavement by the FO. It’s Finn’s moment of accepting he is now a rebel. It’d be like putting in a random group of Jedi right in the middle of Anakin vs. Obi-Wan, then having Anakin kill them and resume his fight with Obi-Wan.
When does that happen? And she pushes Finn away because he’s defenseless again Kylo Ren, if that’s what you’re referring to.
The new crawl itself sound very weird to me. Like my brain has this very weird, very strange feeling every time I read it.
I wrote a new crawl, taking ideas from another I’ve seen on Reddit while also preserving part of a line from the Ascendant crawl. I’ve pitched it before, but let’s revisit it, shall we?
The flame of hope burns! Following the heroic sacrifice of Luke Skywalker on Crait, the daring Resistance has been reborn. The diabolical First Order, facing insurrection on a thousand worlds, is nearing collapse.
But a mysterious message has been transmitted across the known galaxy. A threat of revenge, rumored to be from someone from the wars of old, hiding within the unknown!
Determined to annihilate this threat to his failing rule, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren is chasing whispers of an ancient ARTIFACT, certain it would lead him to the very source of the broadcast…
(I’m fine with the broadcast. It displays Palpatine’s overconfidence, gives Kylo a motive for getting the Wayfinder and adds weight to the Resistance briefing scene when Palps’ survival is confirmed. And sadly, this requires removing the Fortnite broadcast addition, sorry…)
Is the “silencing” thing necessary for the edit?
but that explanation comes later in the movie, so in the actual moment it just seems strange.
It’s called retrospect. It’s like how something seems strange at first and the movie isn’t complete yet and you’re hoping for it to make sense by the end of it, but a later moment retroactively makes it better.