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adywan said:

Something i promised to show a while ago but ended up completely forgetting about, was the shot of Luke’s shuttle escaping the Death Star. So here it is:

That shot took a hell of a lot of work. I had to slow down the gantry and other elements, yet keep the camera movement and the shuttle at the original speed, then track and add the new background. Couldn’t use the original stars to track because they suddenly stop their movement before the end in the original.

Amazing work, sorry to hear about your tech, I suppose its like a overworked pack horse, just can’t handle all the work you put it through xD.

I feel like ady only ever heard the “do” part of yoda’s line. He only do, never do not, never try.

Braltika said:

Aye, I understand that and I’ve been following the project since before the release of his ANH (just not on this site so yes, it might have been discussed in the earlier 149 pages). His edit ‘philosophy’ so far has been to do better colour grades, enhance the SFX and somewhat revert the SE changes. It’s not listed in his initial post for VI that he wishes to alter the Tatooine part besides getting rid of the horrible SE additions, fix SFX and goofy stunt work. Also no mention of adding deleted scenes (which I believe would be near impossible at this moment, even with the current A.I. tech around).

So yes, it’s an honest question really, I was not trying to police the conversation here, sorry if it came across that way 😃

For sure, he has mentioned some stuff like Boba’s death, removing goofy droid scenes etc and yeah i can’t see anything else in that first post. I know Ady’s refined his vision since then, and given updates on that throught the thread (for instance bruried in this thread he has stated he will not add deleted scenes). Not sure if he has updated the first post or not. But yeah, i agree his philosaphy has alway seemed to be keeping the edits as light as possible and keep a consitant technical quality (colourgrading, fixing static grain, avoiding dnr etc), but there is no doubt this is his biggest project yet, with the most extensive changes and fixes.
At the end of the day we are all SW fans, editing enthusiast and Adywan supporters. His work speaks for itself and his dedication is inspirational. Im sure everyone has some sort of long term project, whether its SW/edit related or not that they share with a comunity a number of reason, and i always find it reasuring to discover people that love what I love as much or more than I do, and all the varing ways they enjoy it with differnt favorite or least favorite parts.

Braltika said:

Is this even relevant to the Revisited edit? I don’t recall Adywan intending to heavily cut the movie up like this and adding any of the deleted scenes at all?

I think he is intending to recut the start of the film especially the rescue sequence. but yeah he has said he catagigorically will not add deleted scenes. The only new contened will be the extra sequences in the battle of endor, from what i understand.

I undertand where you’re coming from but what I’d say from the sources mouth is that Lucas explained himself he had different plans for ROTJ and like ANH and ESB, the films changed a lot over the course of pre-production. The diffence with ROTJ was that his inicial plans included setting up the sequal trilogy with many plotlines being planned to continue on to the sequals. (ie the identity of Luke’s sibling) however following ESB George was becoming fatigued with SW and inicially decided not to persue a sequal. Only later with access to filming technogy he felt would remove the barriers to creativity he had be so frustrated with, did he persue the prequals.
My point being what you are perciving as prequal like, is more byproducts of creative burnout and last minute changes. The prequals’ development is well documented and understood to be mostly sourced from George’s isolation form other creative, with no imput from anyone willing to correct him on mistake and him being left not only to direct (which he has been vocal about not enjoying) but worse of all being left to create dialog without interance… which anyone could tell you was a recipe for ear torture. But thats the issue of making a sequal/prequal 20 years later with now grown up childhood fans, who think on some level you are the god of your own creation and they couldn’t possible correct you.
(this is why treasures like Sam Witwer are so great as he was willing not only to speak up and correct Dave Filony, his direct boss, but even argue character motivation with Lucas himself and be 100% right about it).
So yeah I get how and why this film feels similar but also why people see very different flaws.

JoyOfEditing said:

Okie Doke. Here’s a link to my opening of RotJ up to the point where Luke walks in through Jabba’s front door: //drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EleIyLvBBrk-D8zN9zy23NJhEeg6FMcs?usp=sharing

Its an interesting idea, i feel like a slight resuffle of scene could definately improve the opening’s presentation. Ofc Adywan has remained much more restrained with edits on the previous two films but I know he has big plans for ROTJ so hopefully he does have something up his sleave to adress the Luke’s-training-elephant in the room.

I’d say with this as an example, you have to be really careful with the Dagobah scene. There is not a whole lot of room to cut around so I would say comprimise would be the only option for a cohesive scene. It feels very trunkated to me, as we are entering mid conversation, so when this is first establishing scene of these characters in the film, it is very off putting. But naturally you couldn’t start much earlier without revealing that this is the first encounter with yoda since ESB.

So perhaps it would be best (if ady were considerng shuffling scenes) to yes put this scene here (before Tatooine), but comprimise and keep the orginal start of the scene where this is his first returning to Yoda, they talk perhaps over alterntive footage (where Yoda isn’t in bed) and “start his final training” then cut to show the infiltration of jabba’s palace, then cut back to luke “completing his training” (perhaps use the ben scene to bridge? or keep it after yoda dies) with a final conversation with Yoda as he dies then he returns to Tatooine to save everyone. That way it feels a bit more like the Bespin sequence where its clear at least some time has passed. And don’t forget confronting Vader is his last challenge to become a true Jedi Knight.

I don’t have the scenes on hand to see exactly what dialog and footage there is to work with, but its late and i need sleep cus reading my own post im not 100% sure it makes sense.

That guy with no name said:

timdiggerm said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?

https://youtu.be/x3rAbX9Wprg?si=CTEBzDStBL4NCxhd

Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂

Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.

But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4

This feels so correct. I wasn’t even aware the original didn’t have music.
Adywan, please consider this!

Sometimes no music is better, not every frame needs to be scored. By not having any music backing the viewer naturally pays more attention to what obiwan is saying. But if it was added, certainly would need to be quieter.

The marvel SW comics are not the source you are looking for.

doubleofive said:

I can’t believe I didn’t cover the dead end/hanger in my Wired article. In short, they had a hanger in 1976, they had stormtroopers, they could have done this if that was the plan. The same two troopers wearing the wrong helmet copy and pasted a hundred times was just proving that they could to this for the prequels if they wanted to for clones. Cutting the existing troopers out without the help of a bluescreen was a test to see if they needed to depend on bluescreens for the prequels. It’s a bad idea poorly executed only added to test prequel technology, just like most of the other SE changes.

OMG thats sooooo cool, haha it would be so funny to imagine hundreds of clones just coping 2 or three peoples actions over and over. Your link doesn’t work btw

ThiscouldbeR2D2 said:

Personally, do you prefer the hanger, or the pipes?

Well its doesn’t really matter what i prefer and tbh i dont feel it makes a huge difference either way.
That said world building wise i prefer a hanger (not filled with 10,000 troopers, maybe 20?) over a dead end corridor. However, given the two final outcomes avaiable its ofc the shot which works better. Which is the pipes.

I can see why George made the edit, but as with most changes it was over zelous. People can debate the character implications plenty, there is ofc no right or wrong answers there, but I think there is one objective issue with the original version. Why would there be a corridor, lined with dozens of blast doors, turn the corner and end in a complete dead end. Like yes the hanger is badly composited and yes the 10,000 idle troopers is silly, but man pipes? It’s a show of the limited budget and from everything Lucas has said over the years, anything that held him back, if it be money or technical limitations, seemed to irritate him. Consitantly these are areas he chooses to edit the most.

exitzero said:

Some good ideas here-
Star Wars: Inside the Death Star During Its Destruction-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF5cOg8-ZFQ

You’re tearing me apart Lisa!!
A lovely find though i doubt it will ever make it into this edit.
I think some of these shots look fantastic, If you had one or two frames of the rupuring, before it cuts to the wide shot for the explosion that would look awesome. But anything more would ruin the timing of the music queue. Its a challenge becuase on one hand, I’d like to see a beautiful shot, on the other, I’d rather keep the thematic 3, 2, 1… Boom! Luckily its not up to me: Adywan, you are our only hope.

Braltika said:

Imo, Han his panic screaming reaction does seem a bit more justified when walking into a full hangar of troops. Pretty sure he and Chewie never stopped to look back and count how many followed after they bolted it. For me personally, the full hangar is one of the better changes in the SE…

Great update on the work, Adywan, thanks!

I feel like it hits the same as a lot of SE changes. It makes sense and isn’t a bad idea, but it was over done. Like 5-10 extra troopers would have been enough, they didn’t need 100-300 extra. But unless we’re talking reshooting with a couple of 501st guys on a green screen… yeah it think its fine as is.

Merry Xmas fantastic to see you well, and heres to a better next year for you!

Man, I was just doing my rounds checking in on all my favorite SWF creators and could’t find SSWR anywhere on youtube, there was so much fantastic material in his maticulas documentation of his efforts, so sad its look gone for now, hopefuly his channel is just privated and will be back soon.

Its quite normal, in the early stages loads of people have idea, burning questions and opinions. By this point not only is Adywan very much in the swing of things, but many discussions have long since been had, and questions asked an asnwered, so most of us who check in from time to time in hopes of updates or most recently checking on Ady’s health. Its a game of patiance and support now, not so much a sign of disinterest.

adywan said:

I’m back 😃

Feeling much better now ( well , apart from the past week where i’ve been laid up in bed with a nasty gastric virus.) Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

I’m back working on ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD. Getting a long quite nicely with the grading for ROTJ. I’ve juct completed the section where Leia meets Wicket, so that will give you some idea where i have got up to with that. It still shocks me just how dull and lifeless the 2020 blu-ray is. And it really has some shocking sections where the image has been completely bleached out, either with the colour grading that’s seemed to somehow remove most of the blues of the film or the fact that the grader decided that he would brighten the image up so much that it would blow out all the details, or just using crappy power windows to brighten sections of the image and losing all contrast.

Anyway, this is just a short one today. I will be posting a clip showing a new section of ROTJ:R’s colour grading later in the week, but for now here are some screenshots:

The 2020 Blu-Ray, for some unknown reason, removed the blue tint to not only the TIE fighters but also the Executor. These were blue in every version up until 2020.

With this one, the grader used a power window mask around Leia and Han in the 2020 edition, but didn’t properly track the movements so you get a moving mask with almost grey blacks. I replaced this with the 2011 blu-ray, with major clean up. Surprisingly , for the 2011 blu-ray, there’s a bit more detail in the shadows than the 2020 version.

And , one shot that took me forever to fix, is this one. What the hell has happened to all the colour in the 2020 edition? (The Gifs may take some time to load up, so be patient)

It is so good to see you recovering, I hope your health continues to improve and I’m so happy for you and your family.
Its so shocking to see the difference in vibrantcey in the comparisons, but it shows just how impartant it is in the death star shot where you can finally see the red construction beams again!!

Stay safe and may you’re healthy stay well!

Its good to hear your surgery was a success, I hope your recovary goes well.

Hope you had a good birthday and feel better. Don’t let the delay disharten you, your project will still be just as awesome in 6 months - a years as it would in 3.

Happy may the fourth

timdiggerm said:

O00ll00O said:

Darth Sadifous said:

Honestly, my number one ask is to replace that matte painting shot when Han is departing with the strike team and talking to Lando with the falcon in the background. It is the most obvious matte shot in the entire saga in my opinion. I am still shocked Lucas didn’t tinker with it during the special edition. Especially in HD it always stands out to me like a sore thumb to me.

It’s hardly noticeable

https://imgur.com/a/AVXdzmD

I think the problem is they used a matte for the entire backdrop. They usually work a lot better when there’s other objects that help blend in to it. Like if the Falcon was a model, the rest as a matte wouldn’t be so bad. That poor ship is rough looking though.

https://youtu.be/hFadMn0EuO0?t=220

I think it’s a lot worse in motion. Also, the left side behind Lando looks so flat. And something is weird with the perspective, especially if you focus on the bottom of the frame when they start moving around near the end of the shot.

There are serveral glaring issues with the shot. Although it is a beautiful matte, it does not look realistic in motion. Looking at this it definatly seems like a reshoot (or a way to comp to two actors into one shot becuase they weren’t there on the same day?), becuase they clearly had a set scene in the two closeup shots. But it has a massive inconistancy in ship placements from hanger establishing shot, to the wide with Lando and Han, the falcon is facing a different way. Then when Han walks of screen to the shuttle, it is on a completely different side of the hanger. The whole sequence is messed up start to finish.
On third viewing im wrong about how the ship placement is wrong, it more that there isn’t enough space for the location where Han and Lando talk, based on the Establishing shot, as its meant to be in the lower right corner, between the two ships, but there is something off about the scale/lighting/preportions of those shots, whihc is why that section reads badly, IMO.

losthead said:

I think a few of the shots he presented could be included together. If it only appears once, then it not appearing for the rest of the battle breaks up that continuity

I think the point of an easter egg is that they are sublte enough that in missing them, they aren’t missed. So I doubt if it done right (if at all), only being in one shot would make its absance in others notable.

I mean, I like it, it balances the iconic sounds of chatter static with that fact that in every other film there is no such loss of communications, even across systems. That said it could be down to te empire jaming them? Idk it didn’t sound bad imo anyways.

That guy with no name said:

Tobar said:

Rather than spoil it with an image I’ll just say he’s about 21 minutes into the film.

Is it in this shot?

OMG I had no idea!! He soo tiny never even knoticed him… Now thats how you add an easter egg to a film, without it feeling like a slap in the face with a wet haddock.

That guy with no name said:

G&G-Fan said:

He said it wouldn’t be in the HD version.

from adywan’s website

Easter egg aside, I feel artistically it balances the frame nicely. You have R5; bright white to the two thirds mark, on an almost black background. Now you get the light tan to covering the first third. Its lighter than the backround but as its tan it does’t distract from the brightest thing in frame (R5). I like it.