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#1370550
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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Broom Kid said:

Even in ESB it’s not really a love triangle, as the only reason she’s kissing Luke like that is to piss off Han. It’s not because she WANTS to kiss Luke (although yes, there’s that deleted scene where she DOES, and then they’re interrupted - but since that’s gone, and Return of the Jedi exists…)

I think it’s possible to go straight from Han saying “Hey, what’s going on?” to Leia saying “Hold me” and the scene works just as well. No argument, Han still looks bewildered by Leia’s reactions without there being a dumb fight in between that highlights a silly plotline that shouldn’t exist, AND you lose some of Carrie Fisher’s absolute worst acting, ever.

You could probably take the “Hey, what’s going on” dialog out of its shot, dub it over the approach Han makes (it’s virtually the same) of him saying “I’m sorry” and just let the scene end like it always did (“Hold me”) The edit would be mostly audio, not video.

I mean its not just one kissing scene, and she clearly is kissing luke because she likes him, or have you forgot this scene? https://youtu.be/2ZNlDnG-azE?t=92

I do get that the plot doesn’t require the “love triangle” (and I know its not really one but what else do you call it) but like I said, its not about what the audiance knows, its about Han’s point of view. As far as he is concerned Leia has been stringing him along. The far worse part of that whole sequence is the whole kidnapped princess thing, where the ewoks randomly pulls a forest dress out of their ***es. I mean that whole think feels more like the Princess Bride than Star Wars.

Anyway Leia and Luke, behave like more than just friends and I feel Han would definaitly be the kind of fly-boy to overreact in that situation.

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#1370391
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I don’t think cutting Han’s Jealousy in ROTJ would solve your issue. The problematic scenes are in ESB (the kissing scenes between Luke and Leia). These are what create a “Love triangle” and although they get a bad rep these days, there is nothing wrong with love triangle if they are done right. What messes it up in ROTJ is when we find out that Luke and Leia are twins, at which point we stop being conflicted with whether we want Leia to end up with Luke or Han and instead just think of Lukeia as being the Grossest thing the in the galaxy (aside of from that ship name).

But obviously removing the whole “she is your sister” thing isn’t feasible and as ESBR is finished, the problem scenes from that, are locked in place. This leaves us with Han’s character, who already has a criminally small role in this film. From his perspective he likes Leia and knows she like him too, but he also knows Luke likes her and that they “have a connection”. And as we can’t cut the ESB scenes, he knows they kissed at least once. Beyond that he doesn’t know whats happened for the last however long he was frozen, only that they seem even closer than before and anyway the only really jealous bit we get (other than a few moments of excellently subtle acting, when ever he sees them showing mutual affection) is at the end, just before he finds out they are siblings.

Overall I would expect someone like Han to get a bit jealous. If he thought his best friend was getting with one of the few women he has ever had actual feeling for, dispite her having shown she likes both of them, he was ulitametly willing to step out of the way, showing how he has grown to care for both of them. Removing his jealousy arch would leave his character with litterally nothing in ROTJ and make the already farely forgotten scenes from ESB (forgotten as in the movie/characters seem to forget them as Luke doesn’t indictate he has a problem with kissing his sister at all, when he gets the news) seem even less consequential and more awkward.

So idk if its really a love triangle, I would say it was in ESB but that is set in stone as far as the Revisited series is concerned and we are only dealing with the fallout form that in ROTJ, which is needed given all the reasons above. There’s my two cents.

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#1367888
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teharri said:

Not sure if anyone has drawn attention to this video so I thought I would share.

youtube.com/watch?v=D6PVDbT6zHs

Maybe these guys could collaborate with Ady for Death Star II space Battle

OMG! I literally just found this and came to comment, haha. But, if all this talent ever came together to do something with Adywan… I think they would redefine unlimited power.

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#1357345
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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StarkillerAG said:

EvantheKidDS said:

So, the Death Star Plans are not going to be the same as was shown in AOTC? The original plans look consistent to the concept Death Star. The AOTC’s Death Star Plans were more accurate to what we saw…

I wish that the plans could stay the same, but unfortunately Rogue One used the original version, so it has to be like that for continuity’s sake.

I just hope there aren’t too many changes to coincide with Rouge One… If that happens, to me this would just be 90% Rouge One, and 10& ANH. IMO…

I wouldn’t worry too much, the changes aren’t going to affect the story. Some of it is just undoing changes from the original ANH:R that were contradicted by Rogue One.

I feel like you could get away with an improved version of the plans, somewhere between the og ANH:R and RO. As RO only shows the plans for a second, as they are uploaded, the flickering zoom, and death star detail could be altered (In ANH not RO).
If Ady kept the white dot like style, then have the display pan in and have the details appear as it does, (like the og ANH:R) and also make it look less like the trench runs through the laser.

I also hope he keeps the Holo display, as RO proved that that table could do it, but maybe make it flicker/have the bands and a bit more blue tinted (also maybe do this in ROTJ:R).

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#1349402
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ray_afraid said:

Anikin, the Emperor & Obi-Wan are all much older than they look in my personal canon.
As the Revisited series takes nothing into account besides the OT, his age is no issue at all.

First of sorry. I am just a guy that found something cool, and though it might be useful. I didn’t realise it would upset so few of you, so much.

There is a B1 Battle-droid head that disagrees greatly with what you’ve said. Also, a number. Number IV. Ady has also said that multiple times that he doesn’t plan to directly contradict the PT with this edit, and is even changing the end of the film to set up the ST (despite how that turned out). So to claim that this is an OT only edit, only fits with your “personal cannon”, one I couldn’t care less about contradicting.

When Adywan started this edit he said it was “What the special editions should have been”. A spiritual successor of what should have been an edit that would tie the OT and PT together, but by improving on the original rather than destroying it. I think if Ady were going to make this a definitive OG is the only trilogy kind of edit, then he would have planned a bunch of edits for the PT. And before you say yes I do realize he’s not longer planning on continuing with them, but there are already legacy forums in place to take that responsibility on when he releases his notes.

I’m not a prequel fan but, I am foolish. A foolish dreamer, who still has hope they could have been great, and maybe still could be. Hell, I’m so naive I even have a ST rewrite in the works.

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#1349221
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doubleofive said:

Someone who was 1 when they were filming should not be in the movie.

I mean if I had it my way, David Prowse (the man beneath who was truly the mask) would be at the end, but there just isn’t the right bit of footage to put him there. But Shaw is to old and just doesn’t look like Anakin.

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#1349045
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Telion said:

Idk how this was done, but I gotta say it looks like the best of both worlds when it comes to the force Ghost issue. This one is obviously a bit over done, he looks like 90 rather than 45 (also wow why did they have Sebastian Shaw playing him, I know that the prequels we got were very different to how they were imagined based on what we hear and see in the OG trilogy but still, he was even older than Alec Guinness) but toned down a bit I think this would work as both Anakin being the man how died on the DSII and link back to the prequels as Shaw just doesn’t resemble him at all.
https://youtu.be/z-oL4rEjcfQ?t=12

Did either of you actually read my comment? This fixes both issues and makes for a very pleasant compromise.

Its not like Shaw even looked like himself under Vader makeup so either way you’re asking the audience to draw a connection based on context rather than what the guy looks like.

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#1348012
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CarboniteSolo said:

Have him say, “Padme once thought as you do”.

You can use “Padme” from ROTS when he asks the Emperor about her. It’s loud and deep, and Luke should know his mother’s first name.

The issue is that the audience doesn’t know her fist name (depending on the viewing order at least) and it locks line into only making sense if you watch the prequels, which some people don’t like to do. More over the audience doesn’t know Luke knows, she is a mystery in to him. He ask Leia about her because he knows nothing and Luke’s reaction isn’t great enough for someone who has just found out his mother’s name. In context it would also make more sense for Vader to say “your mother” as it is father to son talk.

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#1347911
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G&G-Fan said:

I’m not sure if this has been suggested yet or not, but what about Vader saying to Luke “Your mother once thought as you do” instead of “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”. I think that would be pretty impactful.

It has, here is a couple of tests people have tried out.

Broom Kid
https://streamable.com/7ky47

Sir Ridley
https://mega.nz/#!KdkXzIbS!3sc-75YFln-CKefaUOIdNvsNOwRtpAjo9sp7wZycvEc

To mean they never sounded deep enough, I don’t mean in pitch, but like the depth of sound, but I don’t think you can fix that without going back in time and recording James Earl Jones slamming someones mumma.

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#1347632
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Idk how this was done, but I gotta say it looks like the best of both worlds when it comes to the force Ghost issue. This one is obviously a bit over done, he looks like 90 rather than 45 (also wow why did they have Sebastian Shaw playing him, I know that the prequels we got were very different to how they were imagined based on what we hear and see in the OG trilogy but still, he was even older than Alec Guinness) but toned down a bit I think this would work as both Anakin being the man how died on the DSII and link back to the prequels as Shaw just doesn’t resemble him at all.
https://youtu.be/z-oL4rEjcfQ?t=12

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#1333113
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Tantive3+1 said:

Adywan, would you still be willing to consider having the lightsabers glow for ROTJ:R?

I don’t think you realize how difficult it is to create a new light source and not have it look fake. The thing with the new movies is that they had LED light sabers on set that actually lit the actors and scene IRL. That just wasn’t possible back in the 70-80s so there is no lighting reference.
Although it would be cool and you might be able to use a red or blue or green filter to get close to that affect, I don’t believe it would hold up. Lighting is such a tricky area in VFX because, your eyes are so used to seeing real lighting that they can easily tell something is fake if anything is even slightly off.

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#1332758
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SilverStormX said:

It would be cool to add more types of ships to the Battle of Endor. Don’t know if you’ve finished the visuals for that battle, but adding Interdictors, Victory-Class Star Destroyers, and Y-Wings would make the battle grander. Also TIE Defenders and maybe TIE Advanceds would be awesome.

Ady already answered this, and said he wouldn’t, I think it was like 20-30 pages ago. So it probably won’t happen.

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#1328569
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ray_afraid said:

I don’t think it’s any more “open ended” than the original ending.
What it does do is end the film on a more serious, reflective & emotional scene than the Ewok boogie.
I couldn’t care any less how it ties in to the ST, It’s just a better fitting end to the trilogy.

You miss understand. Its not that I don’t like the idea of ending the trilogy on the pyre scene, it sounded great when i heard it. And I to have no love left for ST, but I know there are some who do, and I was simply respecting that in my reasoning. But an added note you have I’m not sure if that scene would work, it may not feel organic if it is incorporated, and the cinematography may not match that of the rest of ROTJ. But it was an idea I thought I’d share.

Also I might note that “serious, reflective & emotional” ending was already used on ESBR, and is intended as a foreshadowing of sorts for the unknown struggles to come. But that only works if you are going to follow it up with ST content, which is something I am willing to bet a lot (though not all) will not be doing.
However, the Luke/Leia scene could work for both sides of that equation.

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#1328517
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Adywan, in your full list of changes you’ve put:
“Have a small portion of the Ewok celebration which then leads to the funeral pyre scene. This is where the Force Ghosts will appear and the film will end with Luke being alone (which in turn foreshadows TFA).”

And I was just wondering where the stance is on that now. After TLJ/TROS, I know I’m not sure about how to feel when it comes to the sequel trilogy. I liked TFA, but it didn’t stand on its own and kind of hung on ANH/the promise of solid sequels but, given the disjointed nature of that trilogy… idk.
The real reason I ask is because, if that sort of open-ended ending was still part of you’re plan, then…

Spoilers for Rise of Skywalker

Could that new scene of Luke training Leia work as an alternative ending. It would still require trimming down the celebration and I’m not sure whether the pyre scene would work better where it is rn or just before the new scene, but I can imagine that scene fitting in there. I feel it would work well to act as a pay off to the whole “there is another” and give the whole siblings plot an actual conclusion, rather than just drama. It would also work for “haters” and fans of the Sequels alike, and would give credibility to certain controversial plot points that felt forced due to them having no setup.

Overall I believe it would add to the movie, and Star Wars saga, as (for some) the final movie in the saga, would end with Luke fulfilling his role of teaching the next generation of Jedi. The ‘Return Of The Jedi’.

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I’m not sure if anyone has brought this up. Its bound to be controversial but, is there any footage from ‘Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure’/‘Ewoks: The Battle for Endor’ that could be useful to supplement the Endor scenes.

Its very likely the footage is too low quality and idk if there are any “good quality” sources for it out there. But it might have useful shots/clips of Ewoks or the forest in there. It would be unsurprising if its a no, though.

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#1307914
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TheAlaskanSandman said:

Am i the only one that doesn’t like that ANH ends in an awards ceremony? Ever since i was young it bothered me how much Anh feels like an independent film. I’ve always thought it would/could be cool if they celebrated in the hangar. With some how Leia’s line “Its not over yet” maybe appearing. Then cutting back to Vaders ship that we last see leaving the scene of the Death star. Now arriving at the fleet of Star Destoyers and possibly his super star Destroyer from ESB. (Could even use the unused footage of Vader leaving cloud city and boarding his ship with replacing vaders fighter ship). Vader boards his destroyer. We see him enter the hologram room. Sidious’s face pops up, no words spoken. Then the fade out and credit music.

Maybe a nice way to tie it to the next 2 films?

While I can agree that the Ceremony has always been cheesy, Idk that revealing all the set-ups to ESB would improve it, and I certainly don’t think that showing the emperor as early as ANH would improve the series. You could have it end on some sort of more foreboding shot but all I can think is that it would either clash with the score, or you would loose that wonderful piece entirely. Its a bit of a close choice and I personally can’t tell which is the better option.