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#1511574
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Omni said:

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Ah, but it is a useful discussion to understand what HDR really is. And yes, Andywan himself from his source files would be the only way to really get any useful HDR so if he has no interest (and I really don’t see the benefits since Star Wars was shot on film and is better suited to SDR due to the nature of most of the shots) then it is an academic conversation (at least on my part).

I believe that to an project like this and utilize the original HDR metadata, that your editing suite would have to import it that data, you edit the project and then it would have to generate new metadata (which I believe is encoded into the video) for the output. Similarly, if you are using something capable of it, you can have a project that was originally intended for SDR but output an HDR. It depends on the software what you need to do to achieve that, but I’ve seen several tutorial videos that show just how easy it can be (or hard in some cases, but still doable). But converting to HDR is far more than just copying the metadata.

So it doesn’t give you what was shown in theaters but better it’s more that it’s altering the picture with some films. I didn’t know that the way it was described it was get the colors that were in the actual film to be show on disc for the first time. now I’m hearing the opposite wow now I’m even more confused about what the purpose of hdr is.

Don’t confuse the level of colors and color space with color correction or color grading. Those are totally separate. I could get into a long winded explanation, but HDR does not magically make something look like it did in theaters. HDR is intended to take advantage of the higher dynamic range of modern TV’s and projectors that can deliver deeper blacks than SDR screen or film projection ever could. If you want to see what was shown in theaters, get the 4K77, 4K80, or 4K83 versions. Those are the most true to the original run and they are SDR. The Lucasfilm color grades have issues (the 2019 version less so than the 2011 version).

Prior to HDR, blacks were always grays. You cannot get true black when you use film pigments or LCD pixels to block out the light (and even less so on an old CRT). It will always be gray. HDR is for the OLED and laser projectors where the black is a complete absence of light. OLED screens have actual lighted pixel LED’s so when they are set to 0,0,0 black, they generate zero light. The same with the laser projectors. For pixels set to 0,0,0 black, they project no light for that pixel. So HDR’s real power is in showing those darker details. That can make a night scene pop in a dark theater by adding levels of darkness never before experienced. It also has more color depth so the color gradients are smoother with less possibility of noticeable color halos. When you add in compression, HDR will not show the same compression artifacts so the image will be closer to the original uncompressed image. HDR does not magically make a movie closer to the original. You have to know where its strengths are and edit accordingly. From what I’ve seen of how Star War has been delivered in HDR, the SDR masters have been faithfully converted, but there is not much difference between the 4k HDR and the HD SDR versions. If anything, OTEEDEE’s D+ version looks better and it is SDR. HDR is just a tool to take advantage of new tech and where applicable make older movies look their best, though few can truly take advantage unless the negatives are scanned in HDR and any flaws edited out.

So your saying in the case of the original trilogy hdr even a proper new hdr or Dolby vision scan wouldn’t add anything to it and would be pointless brightness black levels Etc.

That all depends on the effort put into it and how much you can pull out of the negatives. From all the scans of those films, there isn’t likely to be any improvements. The current release appears to be using HDR to improve the colors and clarity, but doesn’t have more detail in the shadows.

But with adywan’s release your getting better than that making hdr pointless is what your saying when it comes to his version of the original Star Wars trilogy.

Could you please, move your riveting discussion about HDR to your DMs becuase, Adywan is not doing an HDR version and its completely irrelivent to this thread!

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#1505450
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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exitzero said:

Bridger12 said:

Did no one seriously tell Tim Curry that Valorum is pronounced “Vuh-LOR-um,” and not “VAL-or-um”?

In interviews with George Lucas he pronounces Hoth “Hothe” with a long O. So that means everyone else in the world is wrong, right?

Lucas has always wanted actors to pronounce names and places how they think they should be, so as to give an impression of regional dialects/accents which would more than likely exist across a galaxy. Hence the whole H-AH-N/H-AR-N thing with Lando.

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#1505209
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exitzero said:

It’s not a program you can download and do what you will with it. They control everything.
You give them the recordings and tell them what you want, and they do it for you. So if you try to use a celebrity voice without permission they’ll put a halt to it.

Ah dash responsible adults restricing our freedom of artistic expression, in the name of public safety. Its like they don’t trust the internet with sophisticated voice and video clone/manipulation software…

… Its probably for the best.

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Bridger12 said:

Spaz said:

Fullmetaled said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I think he posted them at some point on one of his threads for the SE edits. I remember watching them. But idk if they’re still up.

I like the idea of using Respeecher to fix all lines of boba fett except the new take hal9000 found of as you wish is pretty much perfect and that program is amazing and can improve the rest.

Excuse My ignorance but what is “Respeecher” and how does it work to fix dialog?

Respeecher is a sound editing tool that is able to recreate the voices of anyone regardless of the source audio recording’s quality. It was used to recreate the voice of a 40-years-younger Mark Hamill in The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett, and a 40-years-younger James Earl Jones in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series.

Anyone tried this on that “You’re mother” line people were going on about in the ROTJ:R thread a couple of years ago?

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Spaz said:

I know a lot of people come on here and they like to complain, bellyache and feel entitled to other peoples hard work. I just want to say a heartfelt Thank You to Adywan and the other contributors to this project for tireless work. (Also for putting up with some insufferable dregs in this thread). I’ve been following this thread for years and years and will for a long time!! Cant wait for the next evolution of the project.

Spaz

Here, here!
You’re all Amazing!

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#1490913
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PixelJoker95 said:

I know that not everybody is exactly on board with the Kenobi show, but it is what it is and it’s canon.
So, what about adding some burnt blasters next to the corpses of uncle Owen and aunt Beru? Just to give them a bit more satisfying end.

Not needed. We already know what happened to them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqF_CVQ_U_I

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#1489814
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Fullmetaled said:

DZ-330 said:

Fullmetaled said:

adywan said:

Fullmetaled said:

Is this the k.k. Garbage people keep saying about the Star Wars she does or is that hyperbole?

What are you talking about?

Talking about current Star Wars like the obi wan show.

That has its own thread, stop bloating this one please.

Sorry adywan brought up how he hates the obi wan show and that’s why I brought up the k.k. stuff that’s all.

Speciffically how it was potaining as to how it would affect his edit and as that was not at all, I’d say it was obviously not an invitation to talk about why anyone does or doesn’t like it.

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#1489625
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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an-old-hope said:

Isnt he already doing that though?
Remove droid torture in Jabba’s Palace
Remove “Jedi Rocks” and the additions of the Special Edition in that scene
Remove the slapstick Ewok moments during the battle
Add more rebel troop action to Endor ground battle
Larger ground and space battle
Remove Chewie’s Tarzan yell
New Boba Fett death
Remove many of C-3P0’s “Ric Olie/ captain obvious” lines
etc etc

This is true but I beleive this is becuase, unlike the first two which had simple plots and themes that kids could follow, ROTJ had more “kid moments”. Which could be fine however, there is A LOT of them. So many they tend to happen before and after major emotional/plot heavy moments. This juxtapose tends to pull everyone out of the story including kids (which I can atest to, having been one not to long ago, I grew up with the prequals).

They seemed intent that kids would find the plot boring or that perants/censors would not like their kids seeing “dark” moments, so put a something jokie in there to soften the blow. But ROTJ was the movie remembered least of growing up (except perhaps AotC) with RotS and ANH coming in first. RotJ just never stuck and I tended to zone out.

To be clear I’m not arguing the movie should be “dark” or more serious but just that I think Adywan is seeking to remove most out of place humorous moments that don’t fit the tone of the scene they are in/before/after.

TLDR: Even though SW movies was designed so that kid could watch them (“for kids”) RotJ might have gone to far by following the trend of ‘Kids are too stupid to follow plot so, “fun moments” are needed everywhere!’

Also George Famously discovered the delights of toy sales…

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#1489247
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DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Arntan you aren’t wrong. In the world of social media we live in today future generation will likely know from a very early age that Vader is Luke’s father. It’s something that people know even when they have never seen Star Wars.
However…
“SPOILERS”
Should Lord of the Rings star with a disclamer saying that Frodo go to Middle Earth heaven at the end of RotK?
What would be the point in watching sixth sence if the movie said Bruce Willi was a ghost in the first line?

Yes, you may already know the plot twist is coming and what it is. But hey, you still watch the movie anticipating the at moment.
Your ideas aren’t to be ignored, but this edit does have very clear goals, and the secret of Luke’s father remaining intact is one of them. And he has already said its staying ‘Darth’ which is fair enough any, way you look at it because he has a lot to do, two whole edits do.

TLDR: Just because people know the twist, doesn’t mean its meaningless. I’d suggest reading the first page of this edit before making suggestsions because they have value, just maybe not suited to this edit.

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#1489163
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Ice said:

Although I don’t think it’s necessary, seeing Guiness’ “Anakin” from ROTJ dubbed in place over the “Darth” would be an interesting excercise for sure. The mouth would have to be animated a little extra

Yeah if it was going to be used done at all it would need to be “Vader” not “Anakin”.

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#1488636
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adywan said:

I think ANH is the only SW soundtrack where he doesn’t use a choir, same with it being the only one without the imperial march, so i think having one track appear with the choir would help it blend with the other films better.

Fair enough. Now more than ever I know how og fans must have felt in the lead up to TPM.

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#1488598
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Very cool. The second audio track will that will have music playing during this scene (which I beleive will be Battle of the Heros) will I think be a much better fit with the fast pacing. One think I was wondering will it be a straight lift of the version from RotS or will you be using a instrumental version. I was wondering this as John Williams never used a chior in an of the ANH score so I felt that I could help it mesh more.

I also agree about the Darth thing, but its not bothered me until it was just pointed out.

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Fullmetaled said:

adywan said:

Bridger12 said:

Fullmetaled said:

Telion said:

If I remember correctly Adywan did consider doing it and did some testing but it was too much work for something that ultimatly looked worse than no glow.

Really I’m surprised because a fan did the glow for the prequels lightsabers on YouTube and it looked great.

This video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dkGJxercO4

The ambient glow only works when the subject is fully lit, like in that video. Try doing it during the carbon chamber duel and it is impossible unless you recreate each character using CG & 100% match their moves because there is no visual information on Vader (especially his helmet) for the most part & other areas of each character. I did many test and decided it’s just not worth all the work, especially when so many shots would be impossible to convincingly add any ambient glow.

And there will be no HDR/ Dolby Vision colour grade. I see people ask this a lot, along with asking for a Dolby Atmos sound mix. I’m just a guy working on a home PC and not in a fully equipped professional studio. I just don;t have the facilities to be able to do things like this.

Too bad about the limitations I understand wish it was possible for it to be done. also no worries on it not having a hdr grade it would be nice but if you don’t have a way to it you don’t have a way to do it. Then the only questions I have is is it possible to increase the gb to 50gb that way it isn’t suffering from compression issues or is that not possible. Would a deepfake of the return of the Jedi version of palpatine work in empire strikes back revisited if anyone attempted to do it or is that not technically possible for anyone. also is there a way to deepfake the empire strikes back vader voice for the movies and shows where James Earl Jones sounds off like rogue one. Oh I almost forgot my last question is it possible for you to update the cgi shots that actually were good in the original trilogy with something like unreal engine 5 like cloud city the return of the Jedi celebration etc.

I know the answers to some of what you’ve asked. As far as ROTJ Emperor in ESB:R Adywan has already achieved that through other means which are probably more affective than a Deepfake as deepfakes are often is difficult/time consuming to make temporaly stable. Edits outside the original Trilogy are beyond the scope of what Adywan has planned or is planing to do (as far as I know he doesn’t want to be 90 and still working on these edits) But voice deepfakes are even more challenging than video ones as inflection and tone and such is currently impossible for AI to interprate so what ever you get out of it will be either dead pan or inconsitant. Lastly as has been said quite often in the past (though i understand there are many, many pages to look through) Adywan is making some tweaks to shots digitally but from what I can tell most of them are through compisting techniques not full CG in rendering engines. And he is not keeping the celebration changes from the SE for a number of reasons that (I believe) some of which are laid out in his first post.

Hope that helps.

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Fullmetaled said:

Bridger12 said:

Fullmetaled said:

Telion said:

If I remember correctly Adywan did consider doing it and did some testing but it was too much work for something that ultimatly looked worse than no glow.

Really I’m surprised because a fan did the glow for the prequels lightsabers on YouTube and it looked great.

This video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dkGJxercO4

Yes

Impressive, most imp- But seriously very cool, IDK how well that will translate to all shots in the films but still cool.

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Okay, cus I might be dumb could anyone clarify. Does Adywan mean there will be no significant changes (other than fixes) to the Trench run (from the Blu Ray version) or will there still be New additonal spacecraft and battle stuff in the back ground of existing shots (with the orginal pacing intact)?

Also totally get why people loved the whole extened Battle but the orginal pacing was much better and 100% agree with you Ady, you are as always awesome.

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Obviously don’t have a clue what Adywan is plannig, but I’d say best option would be to keep the OG style of plans but tweak them slightly so that the dish is allined correctly. That way it won’t be unfaithful to the orginal it will still play well with the Rogue One version and it will look more plausable in terms of consistancy with the rest of the film. (it will actually look like the death star)

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#1479452
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adywan said:

I added the TFA bunker in ESB:R.

Um I am a bit confused does anyone know what Ady means by added The Force Awaken bunker to EP V? I couldn’t find anything in the ot,com posts and I’m not sure what bunker it is refering to.