Having said all that I just realized that nothing I just said makes any sense and doesn’t work with the shadows at all. I’ll leave it there but so you can appreciate my amazing diagram but otherwise ignore it.
… Wow I did not expect to spark this much deliberation…
With the frame I showed I agree that the whole might not be visible, but it is a vertically panning shot and that frame was taken from the end of the shot, as it showed the thermal oscillator for a reference point.
As for the multiple holes, I don’t understand how that would work. Would the extraction be a continuous beam that scorched a line from port to port, or would it stop for a few seconds until it hits the next beam port?
Another diagram to show how I imagine the weapon works with just one port:
(A bit of fan theory) So the planet once orbited perfectly fine, but at some point the First Order/Old Empire dug to deep (for Kyber crystals) and caused the planet to become unstable, and for it to start moving closer to the parent star, (as it had lost a lot of mass). Perhaps this caused them to fit star killer with some form of gravitational/artificial mass device which allowed them to control its obit. Either way my theory is that they can change the obit of star killer by X/Y and so always keep the weapon pointing at the target, it would also allow them to keep the gravity at 1g without needing to spin faster (thus creating a synchronous rotation around the star) as they can just use the artificial gravity generator. The orange spot is where I think the port is, and the tilt seen on it would allow it to line up with the star when the weapon is aimed right at it. The red lines are imaginary fixed rings that star killer runs on tilting to maneuver it to always be firing ‘through the star’ to its target (but obviously when it fires it is not there anymore). It also sort of lines up with that second hexagon bellow the giant trench, seen in you pic Ridley - the top one being the Oscillator.
Oh and another idea I had that may be more difficult to pull of (if not impossible) is that I feel it would make more sense for the beam to hit the Hosnian system’s star, blowing that up, which then has that same ‘death disk’ thing form the death stars explosion which hit and wipe out the planets. That rather than having it travel as a single beam which randomly fans out right as it gets to the planets, splitting into 5 different beam that perfectly hit each planet.
(Don’t you just love it when you accidentally hit CTRL R)
So I didn’t make myself clear, my bad. They were two different issues. First off, yes the cannon is separate, but I only meant to be referring to that in light of how it is glowing red, were as the thermal oscillator didn’t go red until it was about to fire. So maybe making it white or dark or something might be better.
Second is that based on this:
Yellow being the direction of light (which may or may not be incorrect due to 3D to 2D mistranslated on my part) I would say that the stream should be visible on either the surface, trench or just behind the edge of the base.
That’s that last I’ll say on it. I think I said what I meant this time.
I know you are using the same restructure as Hal 9000 when it come to Star Killer so here’s a heads up on a mistake I just noticed with their edit. When the resistance arrives, the weapon is not draining the sun. It only has an ambient red glow, as if it was ready to fire, but of cause it isn’t and the sun doesn’t become ready until Kylo kills Han. I’m not sure if it should be seen in any other shots where it is not, but yeah. I already let them know, I’m unsure if they are making changes anymore but at least you can catch it now.
Just noticed a fairly hefty mistake!
When the resistance arrives, the weapon is not draining the sun. It only has an ambient red glow, as if it was ready to fire, but of cause it isn’t and the sun isn’t fully drained until Kylo kills Han. I’m not sure if it should be seen in any other shots where it is not, but yeah.
OK so not a loop, but its still weird right?
Just noticed an extremely bizarre editing mistake (at least I think its an mistake). When Palp gives the order to fire the DS laser, watch Luke. He is looking at the emperor and then to the window and then back, and repeats this exact action. I may be wrong but it looks like they looped it. Either way I don’t think I’m alone in thinking this is weird am I?
Look at 3:24 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o
Yeah seeing this id say it might be better just hearing the ignition. The original felt so much more ominous. Iconic shot or not, I don’t think it works as well.
Oh and a scene of Lando kissing everyone (even the ewoks)at the end celebration, you know to show of his new-found sexuality.
I’m sure Ady is pretty set on his additions and changes now, but I thought I might throw out one other idea.
At the end of the final space battle, I think a shot of Star Destroyers scattering into hyperspace would be an interesting addition. Not only would it give a little more context on what happened to the rest of the massive Imperial fleet (did the smaller rebel fleet destroy them all, did they surrender?), but it also could foreshadow the eventual return of the Empire as the reformed First Order in the next trilogy.
That sounds really cool, and idk how adywan is planning to shoot Endor scenes or if the 501st will be involved, but if he had imperial officer garb, it might be cool to use to have a star destroyer admiral say “Recall the fleet. The rebellion my have one this battle, but the war is not over…” (or something like that). Alternatively it could be easier to use you hyperspace idea, and have a few beats of the imperial march play just as they leave. Like you’d have to pick the right moment to cut to and the right part of the score to pick up an leave, but it could be extremely menacing.
are there any plans to restructure the start of this film, to try and make sense of the plan to save Han.
I can understand if not, as it is ‘revisited’ rather than ‘restructured’. But really think this is one of the weakest parts of the film.
Read some of the comments from the last few months.
Don’t forget to ask him about the deleted scenes.
Fair, I hadn’t thought about the timing. But actually I have an idea. What about only having one spy, say something like “They’re here” or “It’s here” but its ambiguous who is being notified. Still have tension but we can assume that the resistance is the one being told, and that the first or found out. Or vice verse and Maz told Poe because apparently they’re best buds (stupid TLJ).
Sir Ridley said:
The resistance gets alerted first which makes the spy reveal less surprising. But it’s no big deal, its probably better to just leave it in. I’ll consider changing the subtitles though, that’s a good idea!
Um, could you restructure the scene so that we see the FO spy send a message, then after the FO arrive and we go to the R droid and it starts to notify the Resistance, but gets cut off be an explosion (the ties bombing the castle). So it can go from Maz saying “there here” to the droid (you can change the sub to whatever and dub chatter for screaming) before an explosion effect fills the screen and to Rey arriving and then looking in horror as we cut to the outside being destroyed and collapsing. Or something.
Few, that was a lot of stuff to read. OK, I only ready most of the comments so if I’m treading old ground, sorry.
I was really impressed with you cutting/editing list, I think you have excellent taste. But it is Star Wars so obviously I have an opinion and yes, I’ll keep it brief(ish).
I don’t really know what replacing the main theme will entail, so well I’d need to see/hear it to form an opinion. I’m also unsure about a few of the minor changes involving FX work, often good edits fall short here but I have faith that you won’t Lucas it and go ahead even if obviously not working.
I do like the idea of using some shots form the teasers, some where very iconic and I was sand to see them go (no chance for Kylo’s saber ignition I suppose?).
As far as some of the discussed topics I’ll start with saying cut Luke form the ending. It threw of the pacing and I clearly remember myself and half the audience starting to stand as and cheer just as Rey left the planet, only to slump back confused and wandering if we were in for another half hour.
As for the Kylo reveal, I’d say don’t remove the Snoke scene, we get little enough of him as it is. I’d move it or just cut part of the dialogue. Maybe if it when after Kylo had discovered Solo on Star Killer? IDK. More importantly cut whatever mension Han/Leia make to having a son, until the point that you with to make the reveal (Which I guess is when they are talking just before Han goes to Star Killer?) and keep the “grandfather” line, that way the audience might at first assume Luke to be Kylo father; maybe?
That island scene magnifique! But if I were to critique it, I would say try to make the dunes and the island line up. Otherwise leave it looks sooo pretty.
Don’t remove Ren’s wrath, the fact that he is an “imputation child” is just part of his character and gives him somewhere to grow from (become less childish).
OK I think that it for the discussed items. Now my ideas…
Now I could’t tell from you list but just in-case you weren’t planning on it, could you do something about how Finn gets his name? The way it happens is soooo forced: “F, N uh? I’m gonna call you Finn!”(?!)
Finn’s “that one heck of a pilot” line, it s just weird.
Is it possible to vary up some of the X-wings, with some different colours, it just seems odd how everyone has a uniform blue/white X-wing and then Poe is the only one with a half way unique version. Also if his is the only unique one then why was he not using his own when he went to Jakku?
I can’t think of anything else so I’ll leave you with one question: If your using TFA:Restructured, does that mean that all the changes form that will stay? Its just they all worked, and where executed flawlessly. I’m mostly referring to the addition of the deleted scene with the woman we see on Hosnian prime. See her be sent by Leia to warn the republic only to be caught by the Hyperspace beam really made that whole thing feel just that little bit more tragic.
OK, I got it to re-dl. It works now and can I just say, thank you. This IS the best TFA edit.
Having what it all the way through, it still has the same problem as the original: The ending. If you plan to make any additional changes, maybe to fit with a TLJ edit (if your going to attempt that) then you could try removing the closing scenes of Rey finding Luke. This way you could end it with Rey leaving (on an adventure) and they wouldn’t get repeated in TLJ. Just an idea. Still can’t love the Star Killer change enough lol.
Yay, just have to spend another day dl it then 😕 Thanks for the feedback.
OK, so I dl the 1080p version using the torrent but when I tried to play it, it will only play for a few minutes at a time (it seem that it breaks at specific intervals, maybe at the ‘chapter’ points, but idk for sure). When using windows video player it crashes the program (and comes up with this error code 0xc00d36cb but it doen’t do this for any of the other videos I possess so it must be something to do with this one), and when using VLC it skips half the film. Anyone else experience the problem, or know how to fix it? I’d really appreciate your help.
PS. I did skip ahead to some of the bigger changes and can I just say bravo to all that participated in this fan edit.
How about you let him decide Captain.
I’m sure that a reference but I just can’t place it.
I decree an unofficial halt on posting until adywan is caught up.
LOL, I tried.
I decree an unofficial halt on posting until adywan is caught up. He has a lifetime’s worth of readying to do, plus replys. Lets all agree to give him a break. Nice to see you back btw.
I just want to say that I do know that editing one still is a lot easier than a full scene, and in no way is his meant to seem otherwise. Its basically one frame in hundreds of thousands.
I made a mock up of it (yes, ik this is battle of Yavin but this had the greatest concentration of X-wings) and I changed to tint so that they look less CG it was so shiny in a matt world, just stood out in a bad way. As they are always referred to as red squadron I figure they should all have some red on them, maybe the patterns on the wings could always be red. I assume that the original idea was that they would have as many bands as corresponds to the pilots call sign, red Leader, two, three (Luke’s had five). That would also explain how they reconsidered each other’s ships and who to hail.
Saying this I just noticed that Luke’s X-wing isn’t his, they used red two’s fighter but Luke’s helmet and R2. SE = sigh…
Adywan, when you get to editing the battle over Endor (and the trench run in ANH-HD) could you change the colours of some on the X-wings as it has literally always bothered me how they all have the same coloured panels even when its meant to be random (maybe Y-wings, B-wings and A-wings but they aren’t as noticable). They also all have R2 when its not a cockpit view so if you can make some of them green or red, or even R5s that could be cool. Just a suggestion.
Remember how the Legends EU was supposed to be “what’s happening just the right of camera”? Just imagine that all the things you want to happen during the movies are happening just to the side there. 😉
Haha, like Tag and Bink. They should be added to special features. Just have Ady and someone else cameo, then play out a couple of scenes form the comic. That would make an awesome gag real.
I’m down for a Rogue One-esque cameo during the Battle of Endor and I actually wouldn’t mind Ady hiring an extra dressed up as Hera for the Home One briefing. Now if only Dodonna and Riekkan could have been present in some capacity. Lucas really dropped the ball there.
Nah, its not needed. Just remember that this little speck is the ghost.