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#1319133
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Most Disappointing Aspect of Sequel Trilogy? Most Satisfying? * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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It could be kinda interesting for Rey to visit Tatooine on a personal level. It’s her realizing that she had similar humble beginnings on a desolate planet as Luke did. Both planets of Tatooine and Jakku are intertwined with pain and suffering, but it doesn’t change how their environment had a huge impact in shaping their identity. She took on the Skywalker name on a superficial level since she didn’t have a lastname for most of her life. On a deeper level, embracing how she and Luke had similar paths, it’s her believing that she’s been a Skywalker this whole time, not in blood, but in character. Rejecting Palpatine is the smart choice since we have no idea, for one, how he came about and most likely different from how Rey grew up. I’ve read where many fans think she should had embraced Palpatine as a last name. I say no because just imagine Luke throwing away Skywalker in favor of Vader. Luke Vader. Doesn’t work, does it? Vader and Palpatine carries too much negativity and baggage. It’s like the real life equivalent of taking on the lastname Hitler, rationalizing it by saying you will do good deeds and flip people’s view towards that name. Good luck with that.
No, Skywalker has more positive symbolism and more influence on Rey than her bloodline.

None of this analysis is meant to prop this ST up as some masterful writing, but just to illustrate that with the proper writing, this would had been communicated to the audience much smoothly.

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#1319017
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Name Something You Unreservedly Love About TROS (SPOILERS)
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Broom Kid said:

lightspeed skipping would have worked just fine from a storytelling perspective if there’d been a few seconds of setup as to what it was before he did it, especially since Rey and Poe get in a fight over his even trying it. So obviously it was a “known” thing to those characters - we just needed to have it hinted it was even a thing before he pulled it off. It wouldn’t have taken a lot, and it wouldn’t need to be tied into the plot any more than it already is (which is not at all).

Personally, I don’t have strong feelings one way or another for the concept of lightspeed skipping, but I figured the reason why it’s not used often is because it’s mechanical suicide. I mean, the Falcon is on literal fire when they land. Basically saying it didn’t need much setup because it’s depicted as a cheap and relatively ineffective method to shake off foes. Doesn’t really break the lore to me since I can’t see where the characters in the OT would even try something so silly (imagine how sooner Han and the crew in ESB would had been apprehended if he intentionally pushed the limits of his fragile Hyperdrive). It’s like super speeding in a car; sure you’ll get someplace faster but at a very heavy cost to the engine.

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#1317734
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Rumor - Star Wars: 2022 High Republic Era
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Another article with lots of ifs and unconfirmed.
However, whether or not it’s true, it does bring up the story taking place ~400 years before the main films. This part I’d welcome over the Old Republic timeline where it took place like ~4,000 years prior. The technology seemed oddly recent enough to fit in a timespan of a few hundred years, not thousands.

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#1317225
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Nice. Tier 1 head-canon ending is RoTJ. Tier 2 is TLJ. Never thought of it that way too and it sort of recontextualizes how I thought about TLJ. I too don’t find it all that decent, as most of the first half is the more offending part. But the ending itself is the least offending, to me at least. Despite my misgivings, I still liked how Luke was treated, and he had his big moment toward that end.
Along that idea, how Luke wanted Rey to understand the flaws of the Jedi Order, there is indeed some ambiguous, yet hopeful, implication that Rey restores the Jedi Order with the parts that work and discard the rest that are trash. The lack of the cliffhanger is frustrating, since it doesn’t excite interest in the next sequel, but I never did consider that frustration to be synonymous with finality. This doesn’t excuse the very mishandled treatment of a trilogy, but it ironically does seem to act like the final movie.

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#1316565
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I’m pretty bummed about a lot of what I saw in TROS, but what I didn’t quite expect was for the space battle to be so… Lackluster? Given the hilarious amount of ships, I foolishly thought it would be a balls to the wall action sequence. Nothing emotionally engaging like ROTJ’s finale but at least visually satisfying to watch. Nope. The environment looked too dark compared to how lit up and full of life the Death Star II attack was. To this day, nothing competes with that fleet battle.

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#1316462
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Design failures (and successes) of the PT
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I don’t personally think changing superficial designs hurts the story. It shows evolution and growth from film to film. Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme are all relatively young, at least to a point they’re not too old of age where they’re stubbornly set in their ways. Therefore seeing hairstyle/clothing/ships changing from movie to movie doesn’t seem so off. Maybe, for instance, Padme is likes that new ship smell and buys the newest ship of that year.
(actually while typing this, I see Duracell basically made this same observation).

Prequels has many issues, but the designs themselves or the gradual evolution of the militaries I think was done reasonably well. Although, it is always jarring to believe that the flashy nature of the technology went backwards. I understand sticking with an easy and non-changing aesthetic for the Empire, but using rudimentary interfaces sounds unlikely and the contrast definitely sticks out in the worst possible way.

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#1316042
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Rey &amp; Kylo Ren's Relationship - <strong>TROS SPOILERS</strong> from Page 3 onwards
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It’s not like they both sailed off into the twin sunset. Kylo got a satisfying kiss, sure, in return for saving Rey and in that moment of returning from death no less, excites overwhelming emotions.

By the end, neither enter a relationship and Rey retains her independent lifestyle. Not much harm. Only Luke and Leia are seen at the end to be cherished as family and no where is Kylo around to hint at some cosmic Force ghost, star crossed lovers nonsense.

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#1315894
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Most Disappointing Aspect of Sequel Trilogy? Most Satisfying? * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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I think someone suggested this some time ago; I would had loved it if they had an ending funeral where Leia’s casket is sent into space of where Alderaan once was. All the Resistance ships present, similar to the shot of Empire’s ending shot. Rey is seen burying Luke’s saber on Tatooine prior, then regroups with the others to send off Leia with her saber. Cue the somber John Williams score accompanied with fireworks set off in space.

If it played out like that, that would made me a bucket full of tears. I suppose I get what Broom Kid is saying. It wasn’t quite an honorable salute to Leia and her legacy.

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#1315737
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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  1. Empire Strikes Back:
    No other SW film, in my opinion, nails a sense of true dread and the most organic connection between the cast.
  2. Return of the Jedi:
    I know the scorn brewing, and while I don’t like the first half, the last half still stands the best way to end a trilogy.
  3. Star Wars 77:
    It’s a good introduction to the ever expanding universe. It tends to be straightforward and a rather simple story. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but knowing how well the following sequel is crafted and how emotionally investing the finale is, the shadow tends to fall here.
  4. The Force Awakens:
    It’s no wonder it’s the least offending for most viewers. It treads lightly and borrows heavily from all three of the OT.

…and the rest of the movies more or less fall into relatively the same category of mediocrity or frustratingly dropped the ball when it had the right pieces.

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#1315084
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Standouts for me:
⟩Rey and Kylo playing Force tug of war with the transport ship and then the surprise lighting from Rey.
⟩3PO’s line, “Babu Frik is the oldest friend I know!”
⟩Poe and Zorri having a quiet conversation
⟩Poe in general having a bitter attitude about fighting a war that no one else seems to care for either.
⟩Finn not being the butt of a joke and actually grows into a leader
⟩Leia calling to Ben, which also afflicted Rey
⟩Rey losing it, giving into hate/fear/anger
⟩Rey taking on the Skywalker name

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#1315081
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - Season One Discussion - * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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I mean, he was mortally wounded and nearing death. He has few options in that moment. Kill Droid and also die, which also means the Child dies. Or, trust the trust the non-living droid to nurse his wound, therefore also increasing the likelihood of the Child surviving. Coming back from near death is an easy to change someone’s mind/perspective.

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#1315071
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I’m not disputing that.
I believe the issue was that 3PO doesn’t have his companion to play off of. Nearly every scene seems to require Poe to have beef with him. I didn’t mind much 3PO’s moments apart from the main characters. But combined with the over done ESB-esque humor cranked up way high, could had been toned way down.

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#1314994
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Regarding the Emperor, I think the implication is that he’s not giving the throne to another, but he would possess whoever would open themselves to the dark side and kill him.

Aye, you probably most correct. I do remember him saying becoming “one”

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#1314991
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Finally saw the film for myself. Definitely messy. I’m glad I went in knowing not to expect anything spectacular thanks to reading spoilers ahead of time. Tempered expectations, at least.
I must say, this has to be one of the most fast, in your face, full throttle SW film to date, to the point it’s just exhausting. Ironically, this felt like it kept dragging on, especially towards the end.
What I found to be the better aspects was also similarly frustrating. Let’s talk Rey. More specifically, this, THIS Rey was the Rey I wanted in TLJ. She actually struggled and was afraid of what she could become, tip toeing the edge of the darkside without really realizing it. None of that was present in TLJ, and it absolutely should have. She was essentially a non-character that left me as a viewer not sure what to root for, for her, by the end of TLJ. It’s a very strange predicament of a trilogy. The way I see it, TROS did well to carry over story elements from TLJ. You know what it didn’t really carry well from TLJ? Characters. Why? Because there wasn’t much to carry! That was the failure of TLJ and less so TROS. This film had to dig around from TFA to establish character related connections, and in that sense, you could almost watch TROS without TLJ and you don’t really lose much of the emotion. Plot threads, yes.
I loved the mysterious and creepy sith caverns. Nailed the atmosphere. Surprisingly I wasn’t really fond of the Emperor. Not specifically the performance but more so the character… Interpretation? I get it’s been 30 years but I wasn’t sold that this Emperor is an accurate representation of the character. He’s too vain and self-absorbed to give the throne to another, even if blood related. Yeah I guess he did toy with Luke to strike him down but in a way, it was like he knew Vader would stop Luke. In ROTJ, he ultimately wanted a new servant, not exactly someone to replace him. And even if he was old and decrepit, I would find it more in his nature to seek a new servant in order to feed off the servant’s living Force essence like a parasite. This film felt not very Star Wars in this respect.
I’ll say this final thought, as there’s lot more to talk about but it’s late. They realllllyyyy beat a dead horse with the non stop C3PO jokes. Like ESB’s Han, I too wanted to switch off 3PO and relive myself of the waayyy over done gags. Few were amusing but holy shit.