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#1309564
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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ray_afraid said:

TavorX said:

Kinda weird to think in-universe that the bad guys explicitly call their side the “dark-side.” Paradoxically they don’t believe they are evil but they’re also conceding that they are evil.

The dark half of the yin-yang isn’t evil.

Well… when the dark side of the Moon destroys an entire planet, Taoism tends to go beyond Star War’s pay-grade.

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#1309440
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Oh for sure would agree plenty of people in SW would join the “dark” side without question for their twisted desires.
However, for someone like Luke, who is more about truth and justice, I was just saying that it wouldn’t be the smartest angle to explicitly say your side is “dark” and therefore associated with “evil.” But I do see your point too. After all, Luke does wear black in RotJ. If it were truly dark = evil, Obi-Wan and Yoda would had protested Luke to wear a lighter article of clothing. “It’s not the Jedi way!” So perhaps you’re onto something I glossed over.

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#1309434
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Kinda weird to think in-universe that the bad guys explicitly call their side the “dark-side.” Paradoxically they don’t believe they are evil but they’re also conceding that they are evil. It makes more sense to stick with monikers like Sith vs Jedi. Like Republicans vs Democrats, either side is going to think the other side is demonizing. Neither would logically say they are evil or morally bankrupt themselves on their side of the fence. It’s not the most attractive way to recruit others. Imagine if Vader didn’t say scary things to Luke like “dark side” and just more things to try to screw with his head such as Obi-Wan being a liar. Saying you’re evil kinda cancels out anything else you say versus just appearing like you believe you’re in the right.

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#1309423
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Kinda confused by the article but essentially, certain directors didn’t get to direct simply because they weren’t part of the round table discussion during TFA’s drafting process and beyond? Does that mean Rian Johnson was part of those meetings? And if they wanted different directors, why is J.J. back other than being easy to work with?

Rise of Skywalker still weirds me out as a title of a movie that’s going to be the last film in the Skywalker saga. Sounds more like a beginning. Anakin Skywalker fell in the prequels, Luke Skywalker rose to Jedi Knight in the originals. Leia is the only Skywalker left in the film, at least in the flesh, along with Ben. But by this point, the Skywalkers have already risen to some form of high status in their respective fields. What more does this bloodline have to rise to and from?

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#1308924
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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oojason said:

The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

In regards to “new” Force powers, I wonder if it’s implied new as in never seen in the films before, or new as in never seen in the films and the EU?
I can almost picture Rey using Battle Meditation during the climatic final act. The heroes feel like they’re losing, but Rey is able to give everyone a spiritual advantage that elevates them to victory. Seems far fetched.
Somewhat confused by the article because it’s saying Rey leaping with the Force is supposed to be new… but even Obi-Wan leapt with the Force to slice Maul in half, so…

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#1308837
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I hate the Jedi
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I’d argue that I don’t mind the overall concept of the Jedi. They are uniquely separate from any typical soldier. The trials and tribulations involved would make most people pause and wonder why anyone would carry such title. It heightens an image in the public’s mind of how kooky and insane these Force sensitive people are. Admired by some even. But more importantly, an easy target for a tyrannical reigme to throw under the bus.
However, I do agree to some degree that the no relationship mantra is a bit absurd. The Prequel Trilogy would had done right to make it clear that instead, no romantic relationships until you’re well into your Jedi career. Still kooky, but just enough kookiness.

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#1308699
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Imagine how much impactful if it were revealed that all along, Rey was indeed a nobody. Hm, but we already understood this in TLJ, you say. Yes, but in a ‘shocking twist’, it turns out Rey felt that “awakening” of the Force, reverberating from Luke like a unconscious cry for help. Faint, but strong enough for the isolated Rey on Jakku to have some unknown divine energy compel her on a journey. Luke didn’t really intend to call-out to anyone nor expect anyone to answer his SOS. But yet the Force weaved together a string of interactions. Destiny.
Rey comes to a new understanding. She doesn’t need to come from some royal bloodline. Her parents didn’t need to be big names in the galaxy. She herself can be something from nothing. All her psychological misgivings from earlier was a reaction to not believing she had any value due to how she grew up and the story/myths surrounding the epic tales of the past.
Palpatine simply having any familiar ties sounds like something brought out of left field. If it was perhaps hinted at here and there in any of the past two films, it wouldn’t so damn weird. Plus, there’s even less buildup of any satisfaction of Rey confronting Palpatine like there is going from Luke confronting Vader. Nothing personal about it. Rey’s fear was being alone in the galaxy, not knowing her parents. Nowhere in these films was she afraid of Palpatine.

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#1308505
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Ironically, if a “strong female agenda” was a strong initiative, I fail to see it beyond TFA. Luke somehow manages to have more of an “arc” in TLJ than Rey did. Rose seems more fixated on Finn, romantically, than carrying on the legacy of her dead sister. Leia is just kinda there, and Luke is the one that inspires hope/gives reassurance.
There’s Holdo but she’s… Not developed and really the only character that felt like a half-baked attempt at the finger-wagging feminist.
The only thing the new films end up doing is giving these female characters weapons/fighting skills in order to serve lip-service that women can throw punches, but without much emotional substance. Less proactive and more… Reyactive in their respective stories.

On top of that, I’m not sure what to expect besides a mere story about Rey resisting the darkside to defeat Palpatine. Wooo…?

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#1308148
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Ranking the Alien films
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I pretty much agree everything stated above, even down to the Terminator observation.
I believe the mistake made was the film’s direction after Alien. They kept trying to replicate the story formula for two following sequels. How many times do we have to get Ripley stuck in some situation, having to coordinate how to snuff out the Xenomorphs (usually the same plan), where one by one, each character gets killed, surprise-surprise.
It would had benefitted the franchise to focus on The Company, and what their deal is. I guess the modern spin-offs tried to do this, though to sub-par standards. Or let Alien exist as one contained film.

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#1307912
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<em>The Empire Strikes Back</em> has a similar problem to <em>The Force Awakens</em>, and it isn't really talked about that much.
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Star Wars still had many story threads left to tell, which to the success of Empire Strikes Back, did arguably well to expand upon those story threads. Luke wanted to learn the ways of the Force, to follow in the footsteps of his father. Sure, Luke uses the Force to guide himself successfully to the destruction of the Death Star. However, we’re still left unclear what the Jedi are and what legacy Luke’s father truly had. Han Solo still has a bounty on his head. The Empire, which is responsible for the eradication of Jedi, surely doesn’t dissolve simply because a super weapon is destroyed. The Emperor apparently still has influence in the political sphere of the universe. You can infer the Empire has vast resources and reach to even construct the Death Star in the first place.
No doubt, there is a happy ending, and it is pretty much self-contained, but it doesn’t mean Lucas didn’t leave potential story threads open, pending financial success. It’s not really a fair comparison to draw between Star Wars::Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi::Force Awakens. Primarily, the issue is not that the Force Awakens takes away from the ending of Return of the Jedi, but merely is banking off the success, beat for beat of Star Wars. We’ve already seen it. In what ways does Empire Strikes Back copy the story beats of Star Wars? And before I’m accused of slamming the ST, it is pretty well-documented in this community how much Return of the Jedi is criticized for recycling story points, so obviously, even the OT isn’t quite immune to this ridicule.

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#1307388
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - Season One - * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Okay I vaguely remember that new Canon of Boba Fett ≠ Mandalorian, thanks RogueLeader.
And yes I can get behind those explanations. I kept wondering why would the Empire be so antagonistic against Mandalorians. Then I recall that, and although not all parts of the KOTOR era are canon, the Mandalorians did spearhead a campaign against the old Republic with devastating consequences. So in my mind, the Empire couldn’t risk any internal or external influence that could have sparked the Mandalorians’ interest in starting another war.