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- Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Yeah, I've kinda softened up to it. What did you think of the rest?
Yeah, I've kinda softened up to it. What did you think of the rest?
Downloading the workprint right now. Can't wait to give my two cents!
I choose to just watch the unrated version of Conquest and skip 5 most of the time.
If we're allowed to make our own lists of preferences...
Opening:
1. Make a new crawl. The current ROTJ crawl is underwhelming.
2. The Executor should be the first shot, and the shuttle should slowly grow and fly past the camera. A reverse angle of it flying toward the Death Star II show be our first glimpse of the new Death Star. Rest of the opening normally.
3. Reinsert the deleted footage of Vader contacting Luke telepathically. A very chilling scene for a much darker opening.
4. Recolor the footage of Luke in the Tatooine cave to make it look like he's on Dagobah.
5. Cut to a few exterior shots of Dagobah, then the Yoda's Twilight scene, recut to make it seem like Luke has been there since the end of ESB, making him more mature. I like this character dynamic of him having been separated from his friends for a long time.
6. After Luke's conversation with Ben, cross-wipe to a newly constructed shot of C-3PO outside the cave with the deleted matte painting of the X-wing and Falcon. Cut to the 3P0 and R2 segment of the deleted opening. The implication of this new opening is that Luke was recording his message for Jabba in the cave.
7. Replace the "this awful place" line with "that awful place" from the Story OF album.
8. 3PO's redundant dialogue should be removed. You know 'He's still frozen in carbonite'.
9. Still keep the droids being lead to the torture chamber, but remove the EV-9D9 torture scene itself.
10. Cut down the musical number, make it a mix of both the SE and Original. My idea, background singers from SE, puppet from OT, music from the music video. Struggle from the OT. Make it shorter, though. Reintegrate the Oola in the pit scene from the SE.
Jabba's Palace Battle:
1. Bantha Scene from SE should be in there.
2. Original Saarlac.
3. The original music cue for the barge battle should be used.
4. Remove Boba's final line. Ridiculous.
5. Redit the music so that the cue ends when the skiif flies off screen.
6. Reintegrate the Sandstorm scene. Use soundalikes to do ADR, and also remove Luke's allusion to going to Dagobah. Create a new shot when Luke looks back, showing the Falcon taking off through the Sandstorm. Compose new music.
7. New FX to show Falcon going to lightspeed and Luke following after them.
Endor:
1. Recut shuttle taking off to leave out Han's line about not seeing the Falcon again.
2. Recut shuttle to show Luke having a silent conversation with Vader. Luke says nothing through the whole scene.
3. New shot showing the shuttle landing.
4. Chewie roars to alert the Scout Trooper, Han steps on no twig.
5. Remove Wicket finding Leia scene.
6. The Ewok pokes Han only once before he freaks out.
7. Han does not get jealous at Leia and Luke.
Epic Battle:
1. Reinstate General Madine's footage. Some of it.
2. The Ewok on the speeder bike does not survive.
3. Reinstate a newly editied version of the deleted bunker battle.
4. Show a new shot of the TIEs taking off from the Star Destroyers.
5. New scenes of the battle showing some of the deleted pilots.
6. New scenes aboard the Falcon, showing the gunner ports.
7. More Ewoks should die.
8. Chewie should get into the action earlier, so it's more believable that they win.
9. Show some footage of Ewok's with friggin' lazer beams from Battle for Endor.
10. New shot of Vader's severed arm, with more mechanical parts than wires.
11. Wedge could possibly not make it out of the Death Star.
Ending:
There's two ways this could go...
1. Just have Luke at the pyre. As soon as Vader's on fire, Sebastian Shaw fades in and Ben, Yoda, and he look on. The camera pans up, credits.
2. Basically a cross between the OT ending and the SE ending. No planetary celebrations. Victory Celebration (soundtrack version) as the music. Have some of the shots from the '97 version, but most of the longer shots from the OT version. Sebastian Shaw with the ghosts, with the longer shot from the '97 version.
Haha, good to see you, ender. Planning on using the new e-book footage for your project?
That's what I figured. It was either that or Rebel Assault II. But it looks too good for Rebel Assault II.
This is a pretty stupid question, but one that I do wish to ask.
If you don’t know, Star Wars BDFC is a rather insane German made fan-edit that extends the original Star Wars from 121 min. to 150 min. There’s a lot of newly made scenes and re-used footage, but hey, this guy was having fun, so more power to him.
My question comes from wanting to identify what footage he used in this scene:
Around 0:30. I was only asking because I would like to make an imaginary wishlist of my personal Star Wars Fan Edit, and would like to cite the sources I’d use for any additional shot, and this shot would be a shoe in.
So, why exactly hasn't a ESB 70mm preservation started yet? Is it because we don't have 100% information, or is it just a lack of time?
Does it have the alternate take of "Princess, we'll find Han. I promise." from the original 70mm mix?
Thanks. I was just wondering, since I'm almost certainly going to be getting Puggo Strikes Back soon. What is the content of this alternate mix you speak of?
I think this is a very good idea, as a nice little way of keeping up continuity.
They are different edits though, aren't they? The Behind the Magic CD and BD versions?
Wait, alternate narration? I thought you meant just re-editing the documentaries with different footage. THAT would be superfluous.
Nah, that's unnecessary. Just stick to this project.
Yeah, ESB is what I'm looking forward to the most. SO many interesting story changes and cut scenes.
BTW still have yet to watch When Star Wars Ruled the World. How is it?
OK, for Cut Scenes videos and images, go to this site:
http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/category/cutscenes/
if you haven't already. Great info and plenty of video clips.
Well, you'll have to pillar box because all of the behind the scenes footage in Making of Star Wars and other such documentaries were 4:3.
OK, sorry for my rant.
BE SPECIFIC!!! WHAT is so ultimate about it?! WHAT makes it so superior?! Post a clip so we can see what you're talking about!
Do tell. My curiosity is piqued. Although I have a sneaking suspicion that this will just be SW Begins with more deleted footage and a better quality source for the actual film.
That being said, I will be glad to help if you need any reference sites or information.
OK, so I'm new here, and I have some questions regarding ESB.
1. I once heard from someone who said that they had a 16mm print of ESB that contained some audio idiosyncrasies. Namely, Luke lets out a little scream as the floor gives out under him in the Cloud City vents. Is this on Puggo Strikes Back?
2. Is a good preservation of the 70mm version being worked on currently?
3. What has our best color source been determined as currently? The 16mm? The Betamax telecine.
4. Has anyone ever attempted to assemble a complete Hoth Battle Animatic from official and/or unofficial releases?
THIS is what I remember the promotional images for ROTS looking like. Much moodier and 3-Dimensional looking. eman, you're doing a great thing. This will be a great resource for fan-edits.
I have no doubt that there would certainly be some more to work with for fanedits if this cut were released. I could think of some things I would use in my own personal one right now.
I've always wanted to do a version of ROTJ that included the original opening, the original unedited John Williams score, and the scene of Luke jumping up to the Rancor grate.
Disc 1. Star Wars - Original Theatrical Version - Restored Audio commentary by cast and crew. Original Dolby 6-Track sound Original Dolby 2.0 Track Original Theatrical Mono Mix 1993 audio mix Original 'Making of' TV special
Disc 2. Star Wars - 1997 Special Edition Audio commentary by George Lucas, Ben Burrt, and Carrie Fisher Original Theatrical DTS mix
Disc 3 Supplemental Materials - As much as can be fit onto a dual-layered DVD
Disc 4. Star Wars Holiday Special
Disc 5. The Empire Strikes Back - 70mm and 35mm seamlessly branched Audio commentary New 5.1 based on George Lucas's intended sound mix. Original 70mm mix Original 2.0 mix
Disc 6. The Empire Strikes Back - 1997 Special Edition Original DTS mix
Disc 7. Supplemental Materials - As much as possible
Disc 8. Return of the Jedi - Original Theatrical Version - Restored Audio commentary 70mm six-track mix Dolby 2.0 mix
Disc 9. Return of the Jedi - 1997 Special Edition
Disc 10. Supplementals
Disc 11. Ewoks Movies - Original Versions
Discs 12 - 14. Ewoks and Droids cartoon series
Disc 15. From Star Wars to Jedi.
Disc 16. Empire of Dreams and 2004 featurettes.
Disc 17. Star Wars Comic Collection DVD-ROM. Marvel, BlackThorne, and Dark Horse comics dealing with OT.
That good enough for you guys?