Tachikoma-Kun

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Join date: 26-May-2006
Last activity: 30-Jun-2006
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Post: #223332
Topic: Help me get BANNED on SW.COM!!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223332/action/topic#223332
Time: 30-Jun-2006 12:27 AM

I was really pissed with the trolling that was going on in TFN and I was this close to posting something nasty, but decided not to. I don't want to insult anybody who genuinly loves the PT and the SE's and Lucas and logs on at forums to find information (I mean, they could be children for all I know). I have a sort of "Live and Let live" attitude, but TFN really got to me. But it's just a forum. The best message is to stop posting all together. Let the flamers flame each other untill there's not one SW fan left. If they get off on insulting the O-OT fans then so be it. And if the mods allow this and take part in this, well I'm not gonna play their childish games anymore. So I kinda understand with how you feel. TFN has zero respect for the O-OT fans, so there is no reason to hang around. And no reason for me to show respect for their opinnions. But that doesn't mean that I should start insulting people who really love and enjoy the PT. I have nothing against those people. Let them enjoy what they enjoy. It's the people who insult my love for the O-OT that annoyes me. But those kinds of people usually post anything just to make you angry. They aren't even looking for a discussion. Unfortunately TFN mods allow this kind of behavior to occur. They even participate in it. If this is the sort of behavior that is going on in SW.com, then I suggest you just leave the place and find another forum where you can discuss you ideas more freely. A forum like this one right here

Post: #221159
Topic: Why the PT fans love the PT so much, not as diehard as we think
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221159/action/topic#221159
Time: 23-Jun-2006 3:57 AM

Originally posted by: DorK313

My point is it is very disturbing to think of children idolizing the bad guy but at the same time hasn't this always been done to some extent. How many of us on this board felt as I did about Darth Vader when we were children? How many of us dressed up as him on Halloween? How many people have become famous in the past because they were the bad guy? I believe Oliver Stone touched on this subject in Natural Born Killers. Society makes hero's out of rotten people so it's no wonder that there are people who look at Anakin this way. Doesn't mean it's right.

Yeah well you bring up a good point. In my country we don't really celebrate halloween but I think I get what you mean. However when kids dress up as Vader, Vader is like a spookyman to them. They know he is evil but because of that, he is a bit of fun too. Everyone likes to get scared a little, under safe surroundings and occations (like the Halloween). But when people (smart, educated people) start making excuses for Anakins behaviour or seem to be unable to realise that it is evil to kill small children (no matter what the circumstances are) and trying justify Anakins actions, we are talking about something else. I actually read some Star Wars fan ( who was a psychologist) say that Anakin wasn't responsible for his actions because he was in a state of psychosis. If you have a shrink trying to defend Anakin and saying that no court of law would have found him guilty, I start to get a little edgy. It was Anakins hand that held the blade. It was Anakin that CHOSE to to do the emperors bidding. I think children probably will understand this. Well atleast I hope they do. I Hope they understand why Luke is the hero and not Anakin. Luke is willing to give up his life because of love, not kill others for love.
I have done some bad things in my life like we all probably have (not kill anyone but still) and it was allways me that chose to do those bad things. That's why it hurts. Sure there was all sorts of things that can explain my behaviour, but at the end of the day, I chose to do what I did. And it is up to me to choose now how to go on. There is allways a choise. That's the thing. Choise. Anakin could have chosen to not to follow the Emperor. But he chose to follow him. He chose to kill those kids. And in doing so that makes him evil.

P.S. Again sorry for bad English.

Post: #220841
Topic: Why the PT fans love the PT so much, not as diehard as we think
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/220841/action/topic#220841
Time: 22-Jun-2006 1:08 PM

Some of the PT fandom is slightly disturbing, I agree. Giving Anakin a pass for everything he does. Or admireing the Emperor. I understand that when you are in love, you do stupid things but killing small children has to be something else. There has gotta be a line that when you cross it, it's no longer love. But some of the fans seem to find excuses for everything Anakin does and what's even more alarming, they are justifying his actions. Laying blame elsewhere. "It was the fault of the Jedi for not caring about Anakin or some such." Or admireing the Emperor. But part of that has to be because there really are no real heroes in the PT. Everyone is flawed in one way or another. Everyone appeares so incompetent and eveyone is doomed to failure. I'm trying hard to think of who the real heroes in the PT are and can only come up with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. But even they were painfully ignorant of what was really going on in the republic. Where as in the OT Leia, Luke and even Han, knew excactly what was going on and what they had to do. In the PT the heroes just get dragged into conflict and aren't able to figure out why they are fighting or even is the cause a just one. Hell even I'm not sure if they should have fought at all. You could look at the heroes in the PT fighting to prevent freedom. Part of the republic wants to brake away and the heroes are trying to prevent that. It's basically a civil war and the jedi are fighting to preserve something that is corrupted to the core. So I guess, when you look at it like that you can understand why some fans like the sith. The sith atleast know what is going on and look smarter and better because of it.

Post: #220742
Topic: Watched ROTS on HBO, UGGGH!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/220742/action/topic#220742
Time: 22-Jun-2006 12:47 AM

Oh hell. "Luke"

Damn you. Okay the second thing when somebody says Star Wars has gotta be "Vader".

Post: #220726
Topic: Watched ROTS on HBO, UGGGH!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/220726/action/topic#220726
Time: 22-Jun-2006 12:12 AM

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Very, very true. And for all you people complaining about not seeing Vader in the suit enough, remember this. Fans complained for years about not using Boba Fett enough. I don't have to finish this story. You know how it ends. Food for thought.

I was thinking on broader terms. Allso trying to think of what is the essence of Star Wars. Darth Vader is the icon of Star Wars. First thing you think about when someone says "Star Wars" is Vader. Vader was how they marketed the prequels. He is far more iconic than Boba Fett. He might be the greatest villain in movie history. We were supposed to learn how a good man becomes this monster that is Vader. Taking all that into consideration, it is strange that we only see 2 minutes of him. If I had said years a go that Vader will only get 2 minutes of screen time in the PT, no one would have believed it. Now the way Lucas set the story there was no room for suited Vader, but it didn't have be that way. The story was not set in stone. Most of TPM and AOTC was filler anyway. Yes Anakin is named Vader by Palpatine but he is not Vader yet. Vader is a determined man. He doesn't waiver or hesitate. Vader is pure will. What he will's, happens. Anakin hesitates. Not Vader. Anakin was Vader only in name. He became Vader sometime after ROTS. Vader doesn't cry after his wife. Vader doesn't cry after blowing up Alderaan. Anakin does because he is a fagile man. Vader is a machine. Efficient, cold and calculating. Because that's how things get done. And when Luke comes around Anakin starts waking up from his slumber and feeling emotions again but not before that. So in short, I don't believe we saw Vader at all in the prequels.

Post: #220668
Topic: Watched ROTS on HBO, UGGGH!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/220668/action/topic#220668
Time: 21-Jun-2006 7:39 PM

It's allmost absurd that Vader, the icon of Star Wars, gets 2 minutes of screentime in the entire PT. 2 minutes. Lucas says that this is the tragic story of Darth Vader and he couldn't make room for Vader in the script? He said that most of TPM and AOTC were filler, so maybe that's why ROTS feels so rushed. It's allmost as if Lucas said prior to ROTS:"Oh crap! I have to actually finish the story and Anakin hasn't even turned evil yet!" He wasted so much time with JarJar, Qui-Gon and Jango and then continued to waste more time in ROTS with the Wookies and Yoda. Everything else was rushed (the turn, the friendship, order 66 etc...)

Post: #219796
Topic: The Chronology of How My love for Lucas has fallen
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/219796/action/topic#219796
Time: 18-Jun-2006 6:35 PM

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Well, coming from that angle, a warrior who gets his ass handed to him and then has to retreat to a hermit-like existence for a generation and become a pacifist... I can buy that as character development. It happens all the time in stories. I just don't like the way it was handled. It was obvious it wasn't done for character development, only to be "cool." And I'm against Yoda using a lightsaber to begin with. Like I've said before, it seemed beneath him. Besides, as a kid, I always pictured the Jedi (or Force users in general) as being more diverse with their powers. There were some, like Ben, who channeled their powers into being able to duel with laser swords. Some, like Palpatine, channeled their power into using flesh-eating lightning. Others, like Yoda, used the Force to focus their wisdom and patience to a fine point. They all had different jobs. The prequels just turned them all into a bunch of spinning, lightsaber-wielding maniacs. And to make up for the homologous take on the Jedi? They made up a whole bunch of different lightsaber fighting styles to go along with the type of Jedi. Like the ambassador fighting style. Ambassador fighting style?! WTF, mate!

True, but the character development happens of screen. We only get the line "Failed I have into exile I must go" in ROTS and the next time we see him, he is a hermit. He makes a big decision that he will not become involved with the possible rebellion or with the fight against the emperor and he really doesn't say why. Only that he has failed. The PT shows him as this powerhouse of the GFFA and he turns his back against the people in the empire just so he can go and meditate. Had he not been a warrior the choise would have been easier to understand. Just compare the PT Yoda with the OT Yoda and there is a signifficant change . The idea here that the warrior becomes a pacifist is a great one but like so many other ideas in the PT, it is undeveloped. It's thrown in there and not explored. Instead more attention is being put into developing the Ambassador fighting style. I mean I love the Ambassador fighting style as much as the next guy, but it sure would have been nice to see Yoda react to the utter desctruction of the Jedi order. Maybe even ponder about the Jedi orders mistakes (wich ofcourse will not include the famous ambassador fighting style). Or how about a few words from Qui-Gon as to why Obi and Yoda must now hide and trust in the force? The whole Galaxy around Yoda is burning and what does he do? Goes into Dagobah to meditate and to become immortal. "Yes OBi. Fight I will not. Hear voices from Qui-Gon I do. Into swamp I must go. Ambassador fighting style do not forsake Obi.. In the desert voices you will hear too. Insane you will be. Like me:" The Galaxy sure could use a little ambassador fighting style and the rebellion too. But the heroes decide to call it a day and meditate.

Post: #219765
Topic: The Chronology of How My love for Lucas has fallen
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/219765/action/topic#219765
Time: 18-Jun-2006 5:04 PM

Well I think Yoda became a joke in the PT. Literally. The old, wise Master Yoda is sitting and facing The Sith Lord and shows his infinite wisdom saying things like:" Difficult to tell who the Sith Lord is. Clouds darkside rain on everything. *burb* Another Jawa juice master Yoda requires..." "Good relations with the wookies I have" Everyone else raises an eyebrow. "That's master Yoda allright. We are lucky to have such a wise kermit as a leader..." Lucas turned the wise Jedi master into an action hero. Nice move there genious. Now you have kids thinking kermit with a lightsaber is cool. Lucas took what was once an icon of wisdom and pacifism and turned that into a raving lunatic. And I just don't buy it when people say, that it was allways meant to be like this. That Yoda was supposed to be war hero in the pt and then change his ways and become a hermit who speaks against war, violence and weapons. The character takes 180 after ROTS. It's not character development when it happens offscreen. It's bad story telling.

Post: #219357
Topic: Star Wars Original Trilogy had 'it', but 'it' is hard to explain.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/219357/action/topic#219357
Time: 17-Jun-2006 2:28 AM

Like Invader Jenny said: The PT characters are hard to relate to. I suppose Anakin was meant to be the character we could all symphatize with but unfortunately Lucas made him a whiney brat, rather than an ordinary man with great gifts in a middle of a Galactic war. A young man with great potential dragged into a world and into a war wich he knows nothing about. Obi Wan pleading him to fight this war that he himself (Anakin)knows nothing about. I mean it's pretty clear we are supposed to follow Anakin thourgh out the PT but the character is so unbelievably annoying it's all just a mess. If Anakin had worked the PT had worked. And it is because of Anakin that the whole PT is such a mess. Lucas didn't bother to write the most essential character of the saga well enough and we the fans, are supposed to care about what happens? The love story with Ani and Padme is a prime example of how Lucas messes up the most important character momonts. I mean the whole point of the love story was to show us how attachements can push you to do something terrible and we get the sand dialogue????

Post: #219353
Topic: Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/219353/action/topic#219353
Time: 17-Jun-2006 1:45 AM

The fun part here is that, if the original Star Wars was truly "meh" then there would not be The Force Net or this place either. There would not be Star Wars fans. If the film had sucked or if it had been as they so eloquently put it "meh", the prequels would not exist either. You can't argue with history. (Unless you work at Lucas ranch or post at the force net) But somewhere along the line line they forgot this simple truth and thought that yes, it is a good idea to mock the original film since Yoda is "kule" with a lightsaber. "Li3k OMG Like Vader sucks in ANH. He is lik3 not twirling his lightsaber!!!!!11!!!" And we should all spout the company line:" Back in the seventies they didn't have cgi, but now since we have cgi we should have a duel between Alderaan and the DeathStar. Lucas has every right to add Gungans wherever he wants to. Hell add a few gungans in Raiders too while you're at it."

Post: #218903
Topic: Prequel demographic breakdown
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218903/action/topic#218903
Time: 15-Jun-2006 4:03 PM

I saw TPM here in Finland and the audience was fairly young. Few middleaged people but most were in their twenties. There was a lot of cheering going on when the opening crawl came. Lot's of hardcore fans. It was a late opening. It was 2 mins past midnight. First time they could show the film here. People were really really excited. It's very unusual here. People don't cheer here unless it's something very special. After the movie was over....No more cheering. Few people seemed pleased but most were quiet. No costumes though. I've never seen anybody dress in a costume for a movie.

As for AOTC and ROTS. no idea. I didn't go see em in a thearte. Figured Lucas had enough of my money as it were and didn't feel like giving him more. Besides the hype really died down after TPM.

Post: #217854
Topic: Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217854/action/topic#217854
Time: 11-Jun-2006 10:46 PM

Thing is, it's not even worth fighting for the O-OT there. They did all they could to get rid of everyone who loves the O-OT. It's a lost cause. They even think that the original Star Wars is "meh". You sure as hell can't have a thread "Is ROTS meh?" in there. Hell, I remember a I guy getting banned for saying that Anakin was whiney (He is whiney. It's fact!). But you can bash the original movies as much as you like. It's insane.

I feel like just giving up. Im getting tired of Star Wars and all the bs that Lucas tries to shove down our throats and all fans praising him for it. Thing is, the guy isn't an artist anymore and everyone with half a brain can see it. He is only in it for the money. Like the new DVD release. It's like I read somewhere: He is releasing crap version now and get money from it and then later release a better version. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to do sequels now. I bet they'd be cgi 100% too. You could just let the 3dsmax guys at Lucasranch program..err.. I mean shoot the film.

Post: #214263
Topic: We have to buy this set atleast to preserve it for the next generation of fans
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214263/action/topic#214263
Time: 27-May-2006 8:19 PM

Thing is, Lucas can spin the sales numbers of the new DVD set any way he likes.
"The DVD's sold well. Now the fans have what they want and I can go on and do more SE's. They can't complain. There will not be any O-OT releases after that."
"The DVD's didn't sell well wich is a clear indication that there never was demand for the O-OT"
"The DVD's sold well not because of the OT but because there were people who didn't have the SE's"

Personally I refuse to buy a product that I think is crap. I have the SE's allready and don't need second copies of those. I know they are crap allready.

I believe that the O-OT is such a remarkable piece of history that it will survive in one way or another. I don't think Lucas can bury it even if he really tried. It may take long, but the original Star Wars is such a huge phenomenon that it cannot die and therefore one day it will be available to the public in a good quality.

Post: #214262
Topic: Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214262/action/topic#214262
Time: 27-May-2006 8:07 PM

So that was how liberty really died... To a deafening silence. I can't help but think that they are shooing themselves in the leg. Once you drive out all the critisism and alternative points of views, you are left with nothing. No real discussion can exist in that sort of climate. Sort of like that new thread. Let's talk about... What exactly? Maybe I'm stupid but I don't even understand what that new thread is supposed to be about. Oh well one less forum to go to. Maybe shouldn't have said I was dissapointed with the upcoming DVD's.
I like this place though. Been reading all the threads here and nodding in agreement silently. So this is my official "Hello everybody. My name is Tachikoma-Kun. You may remember me from bashers sanctuary. But if you're lucky then you wont remember me at all." etc etc.