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SKot said:

I should probably chime in at this point...

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--SKot

 Dear SKot.

Thank you so much for this retrospective. I just remember this good old thread and started to think that maybe someone posted something later. And bingo. If anyone will have any updates on this in the future, please don't forget this interesting thread.

Thanks once again SKot.

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Ok I have done some more checking.

It seems it is second take after all so the story now gets ever more complicated.

Here is the easter egg take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-ne3lCfSU

Here is the Hyperspace take (go at 03:08 minute of the clip):

http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000076.html

Now this brings more questions. Does it mean that someone transfered rought cut to VHS for Davis. But then again if there are more takes involved it could again mean that source reels are preserved - maybe they can't locate the rough cut.

Anyway good points that Zombie was mentioned about Lucasfilm archives can be also seen in video named:

Anatomy of a Dewback - episode two

Video gives a story how the artists started to locate old elements for the SE from Lucasfilm archives. Of course it is known that Lucas keeps everything - even the elements for special effects.

Inside the video there are shoots of the archive with reels in boxes and how they started to check everything during the preparation for SE. After watching this I am having impression that the archive is not very well cataloged (at least prior to 1997).

This video can be found in the DVD-ROM section of the DELETED MAGIC - REVISED VERSION (mov format).

 

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zombie84 said:

 

 

Now, why didn't Hyperspace use this and have to ask Davis? 1) Maybe departments at Lucasfilm don't talk to each other. This is a huge issue in major multi-division mega-coporations, and one of the reasons Lucasfilm wanted to move to the Presidio complex.

 

Does Davis even know about that footage? If so, what does he think?

Excellent and outstanding post. Those were the exact thoughts that I was having today after looking more and more on this issue. The discrepancy between 2004. clip and hyperspace release could be maybe explained due to compartmentalization between Lucasfilm (now huge) divisions like you suggested. Probably during  one of the conferences Davis meet someone from public relations in Lucasfilm. During the projection of mockumentary Davis gives the story "how the original print has been lost". Person from Lucasfilm figures out that this is great exclusive and decides to borrow and digitalize VHS copy from Davis for Hyperspece subscribers (not even thinking that the negative could be still in the Lucasfilm archives in the first place).

2004. clip should be brought to Davis attention. I am not aware that anyone has done it so far. Davis was just a guest on the last episode of Force-cast - altough they talked a lot about Return of the Ewok I was dissapointed that 2004. clip was not mentioned to him. I am very curious to hear his comment on this. I hope that someone will brought this forward in the near future.

 

 

 

 

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Here are some of the rumours with some additional-extended details (more then it is available on the wikipedia page) - I would really like to see this issue resolved in the future. Such a shame if the original negative really exist and it is still unreleased :(

Source: http://encyclopedia.wizards.pro/index.php/Return_of_the_Ewok

Evidence of the original print

The original 16mm print was said to be lost according to Davis, the only copy in existence (though bootlegs now exist) is the one Davis holds in his possession, the supposedly one and only VHS tape copy of the movie. A copy of the print, or even the original print, may actually reside in the Lucasfilm archives. Evidence of this was shown on the 2004 DVD release of The Star Wars Original Trilogy. The segment of Wicket being chased by Boba Fett was located as a segment in an Easter Egg of bloopers from the trilogy. It appeared in a widescreen format in good quality, suggesting that it was filmed this way and has been preserved. Another piece of evidence that would lead one to believe that it resides there is that a small segment was used in the 2004 DVD in the first place. It being such a small and insignificant, and hard to find part of the DVD, it is highly unlikely that Lucasfilm could have used Warwick Davis's copy, or even got a copy of it from him on such short notice. And even then, the clip was so short, it would seem to be a rather small, quick idea that the producers of the DVD came up with in the DVD set's post-production.

It is also possible that the original print lies in the archives due to the fact that the archives have been reported to contain nearly every single piece of star wars artifacts ever created. And it is likely the Lucasfilm crew kept it, in order to use on future projects, as they have been known to with other media. A final possible, though not necessarily true piece of evidence leading one to believe the original print exists is the 2005 starwars.com release of four minutes of footage from the film. Once again, it is unlikely the footage could have been easily and quickly obtained from Davis when the clip was released.

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Celebration III Evidence

Warwick Davis said at C3 that he loaned the VHS tape of his to Lucasfilm, who made a digital copy of it, and that it was the best copy that is known at this point as well as being the source for the Hyperspace clip. Based on the quality of this copy seen at starwars.com, they did a minimal amount of cleanup on that copy. The editors also altered the soundtrack--where there used to be Supertramp's "Take The Long Way Home" as temporary soundtrack, they've dropped in other incidental music (to avoid copyright clearance issues). Also, they seem to have tweaked the soundtrack in other places, and in at least one instance a line is missing (Wicket saying "Crikey, it's Lord Vader!" right near the end).

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2004 DVD Clip

There have been several fan-based rumors as to how Lucasfilm obtained or created the clip from Return of the Ewok that was found on the 2004 DVD release of the Star Wars classic trilogy. Good question. One theory is that either Lucasfilm took Warwick's VHS copy of the footage and digitally cleaned and restored it, and used that. (Though this is not likely, as the quality appears way too good, even for Lucasfilm's expertise). The other theory among fans is that there was a reel of film in their archives with that particular scene on it (much more likely). There's also the little piece that appeared in the VH1 special (Wicket saying goodbye to the heroes), which I figure is likely the same story. Another explanation is that Return of the Ewok was shot at the same time as Jedi obviously, so footage intended for it appears on the "making of Return of the Jedi" film reels, and even on the actual film reels for the film, in the case of the Boba Fett clip. It would be simple enough to construct a very nice looking 35mm film print of the film, if Lucas ever wanted to, and assuming most or all of the footage has survived.

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zombie84 said:

My feeling was always that it was just "unavailable" to him. Because the 2004 clip showed that the negative was fine. If, Reverend Beastly, it is true that it is just an alternate take then that is unfortunate. Personally, I don't believe that. It looks the same as the bootleg, and it's two or three shots edited together in a full cut, not just a single set up.

 

Yes that it is the reason why it is so confusing. But again from the other hand when the HYPERSPACE released short 5-min version of "Return of the Ewok" for the subscribed members they used Warvick's VHS tape as s source. If they have perserved master this approach is ever more confusing. I hope that this will be somehow resolved. On the Wikipedia entry there is same unersolved question mark about this.

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This question always puzzled me. Altough Warvick states that the original 16mm film of his mockumentary “Return of the Ewok” is lost, the easter egg from original Special Edition DVD trilogy release cleary shows short clip with Bobba Fett and Wicket from “Return of the Ewok” in excellent quality suggesting that the source is in fact preserved.

Does anyone knows is the original film really lost? What was the source for that DVD easter egg edition clip (or it was some kind of alternative source of some other material-documentary where that short clip from Return of the Ewok was simply part of it)?

Does anyone have some additional information on this?