Doh, I have the full screen DVD converted to 24fps if you want
I'll MP you with that :)
I have this one ripped, and indeed, it has two mixes. I put it back at 24fps in an mkv. I think the 2.0 is the original Dolby Surround mix.
OK checked out the the Chace audio mix of T1 thanks to Mr. B!
It's clearly a totally different mix from the mono mix AND the ulterior 5.1 remix.
The voices are placed way clearer than on the original mono, and for example in the police precinct massacre scene, you can hear everything the cops scream in the background and understand all the words they are saying.
I think they took the stems and repurposed them to try to make for a better mix. It sounds artificial in some instances. Stems are for example: Voices / Sounds Effects / Music / Foley.
it has a stereo feel but sounds like the original mix, only in stereo. It's not as finished as the original mono track, but it still is very interesting to hear as an alternate mix.
It's an awesome find.
Now all we need is to sync it and pitch it back to the current Blu-ray master ;)
Awesome. This is indeed the fake stereo mix by Chace as mentioned. You can clearly hear the audio is widened left and right instead of being pure center as mono should be, plus it sounds like some additional sounds are layered on top of it in instances.
It would be awesome if you could make available a capture with the image, so that one can sync the audio back to the Blu-ray and pitch it back at the correct speed, it would be cool to have this weird mix preserved forever. It's part of Terminator history.
Why do they never use the entire framing? I'm puzzled, it's a cinemascope film, so the scans should be edge to edge, using all available information. Why zoom in?
Since the LD tracks are analog, a simple analog capture probably will be sufficient. However to track it and sync it, the video, even in low res, will be needed.
Curious to hear that mix/fix which is now lost in time.
I have the image DVD if you want, with the 2.1 mono track, which sounds great.
Yes, the back cover have the correct running time, but the actual master is speeded up for some reason. Also they reissued it since the LD was done before the Ellison settlement and Ellison threatened more with lawyers when he saw he wasn't included in it.
So you should notice the film is weird because of the speeded up pace (like it's in Pal or something), and you should notice the same soundmix, but with some weird stereo effects.
The full screen second LD by Image, the one with the gold disc logo on the front, is corrected and should feeature the correct film speed + untouched mono audio.
There's no listing it as stereo, but if you total running time is 102mn, and it's the full screen then it features the spatialised mono to stereo conversion. I'm sure many will be happy seing it preserved. It's the version where there's not the picture of laserdisc gold disc on the front cover. I think it's the one you have. If you can rip it to usb, that would be insanely awesome, I could retime it to the current disc.
The fake Chase stereo mix LD is that one. Cameron had it redone later on with the correct speed of the film, and with correct mono track without enhancement.
Is this the LD with the chase fake stereo mix? It would be awesome to preserve the soundmix.
This dmaster is speeded up too. But I'm sure it's quite easy to sync it back to the current Blu-ray master. Would love if you could rip it :)
OK, I think there is online a french mono version taken from an HDTV airing, it's coupled with the video from Team Blu.
A search will show it.
To be precise, french localised titles never existed for the film, it always was written in english hence the voice over.
The localised version shown above is from a recent TV airing, and is the work of some intern who didn't even bother to check the correct translation and the correct font. It's basically a bad fan edit.
There is some loophole in french law, that let channel airs old masters while the same master on DVD and Blu-ray replace all other masters in all countries.
That's why you still can get from french TV the complete, uncut Mad Max 2 with Pappagallo speech intact, they use the old VHS master, and there are many other oddities that still air on french TV in better versions than the crap DVD version they are showing down our collective throats.
Oh, OK, I would leave the "fuck you asshole" thing, because it's not localised, but actually modify the film. A restoration of the original rest is interesting.
PDB can't wait for your release! It's very exciting to finally own an alternate edit with a color timing close to the original prints. I say bravo for the work you put into it.
I'm not sure, but couldn't the japanese DTS be just an upscale of the AC3 audio?
Some publishers have no shame. DTS is a bullet point, so it's easy to upgrade an AC3 tracks to DTS on a home computer, and then sell loads of a DVD to people who think they will get a sound improvement.
That localised italian version is obviously a post 84 version done by a TV company. A real localised version wouldn't freeze a frame to replace the text. I don't see the point in preserving it.
It's like the french TV version which probably was done by some guy on his work computer. It doesn't count it's a TV ugly version.
Mitch, did the T1 uncut / extended included all the deleted scenes, or just some of them? If you remember what was back in, it would be easy to redo this cut in FCPX or any other editing software.
Here is an exampleof Cameron actual Terminator colors
T2-3D cam from within the theater notice how teal that 1996 film is
T2-3D workprint fanboy remastered: looking blah like any movie T2 should absolutely not look that way.
I don't get why they don't redo most of them, the masters a way dated. I'm guessing we're stuck with those crap master for the rest of our lifetime.
KK your edit is wrong, for the platform scene. The scene should segue from Bronson falling down to the gunshot for the hunt. No wheel. That's how it was in the original cut.
The whole Siskel video is purple, it's because it was recorded in NTSC. Never Twice the Same Color. Don't take is as reference.
However as I said here and elsewhere, the bar scene in the theaters was bluer than on home video. Ever since the laserdisc / vhs, the blue was gone from the bar scene.
It doesn't look hard matted, it's at 1.37:1 thus open matte. Some VFX shots might be matted thought
Great, would love to sync it to the academy screener DVD.
Kaos, what was the general color in the biker bar at the opening? I remember it not being as brown as the DVD, more Blue like. Saw it 14 times on year of release, so I'm certain Cameron changed this for the VHS/LD and all the other versions.
Awesome, thanks for this..