SparkySywer

I hate people who engage in self-defense. How pathetic and selfish do you have to be to defend your life?

He’d be a spirit, he wouldn’t have to abide by the laws of the corporeal world. The distance doesn’t really mean much when you have no physical form.

G&G-Fan said:

despite that being so much of a lie a guy made a 2 hour video debunking it.

TestingOutTheTest said:

“Rey being a Palpatine was unnecessary/pointless and undermined her character arc in TLJ and the message that ‘bloodlines are not a requirement to be Force-sensitive’.”

There’s something really cheeky about putting this in this thread, but I can’t put it into words. I was gonna say that it was super ballsy to call it baffling when, even if you disagree with them, there are pretty reasonable criticisms of Rey Palpatine. But that’s a little subjective, isn’t it?

Maybe it has to do with the quality of the argument in favor. Because you literally say “Sure, Rey has gotten over her parents by the end of TLJ, but she didn’t get over her grandparents” in the thread you linked.

TestingOutTheTest said:

Of course, Rey comes to terms with the truth in TLJ and stops caring about her parents, but just because she stopped caring about them doesn’t indicate as to whether she cares about her grandparents or not.

Sure. It’s the people who are against the decision to make Rey a Palpatine who are baffling.

Artan42 said:

Sigh, did you bother to read the post or just take my hyperbolic summery as the entire point?

You can’t really make such a deadpan “hyperbolic summary” and then get upset with someone when they take it seriously, especially because there was no real indication that you weren’t being serious until after the fact.

Stardust1138 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Look, all evidence points to him constantly changing his mind. Yes, he’s said he wanted to do 9 films. There was also a time when he wanted to do 12. In 2005 he’d settled on 6 and hasn’t walked back on it since. Yes, he did propose Sequels to Disney, but only because they were gonna make them anyway.

All creatives and artists change their mind. Why is George so ridiculed for evolving and changing his stance and opinions from time to time about the story he wants to tell? I’ll never understand it.

He’s not ridiculed, and nobody cares that he changes his mind. People point out that these grand narratives he likes to spin about Star Wars, and that his fans seem to like to spin on their own independent of him, often contradict reality and each other. One of these being that he totally had this huge 6 part, 9 part, 12 part, or whatever the story is today part, story planned out all the way back in 1973.

TestingOutTheTest said:

In ANH Obi-Wan described Vader as having hunted down the Jedi, so your idea conflicts with that.

Neverar’s idea doesn’t contradict ANH any worse than the theatrical RotS already does.

I’d probably avoid the younglings altogether, though. Palpatine killing them feels really goofy, I’m just imagining him spinning all over the Jedi temple lol

Ah. That’s how I’d do it ideally, but something like that is beyond what I really think I’d be able to do.

TestingOutTheTest said:

WIP: Luke deactivates his lightsaber immediately in the third flashback; he doesn’t realise Kylo is awake and hears it. VFX shot courtesy of SparkySywer.

Wait, did he actually complete the shot? I knew he had plans to make that edit a while back, but he actually finished it?

It’s on youtube if you want to see it. I don’t know if this is identical to what will be in TLJ: Stoic, because Faraday implied he’d be making alterations of his own, but this is what I gave him. Well, I gave a higher bitrate version of this.

NeverarGreat said:

Her existence in the OT period pretty effectively short-circuits the dramatic stakes of those movies.

In ten years, people will view the adventures of Luke Skywalker as a footnote to Ahsoka Tano’s mythic battle against the Thrawn Ascendancy.

If they don’t already now.

Stardust1138 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

It’s hard to say as Steven Spielberg said in a 90’s BBC special that part of George’s concept for the Prequels was the Sequels. He also slipped up in an interview during the lead up to Attack of the Clones where he mentioned story points in II have to connect with VII.

Sources?

“The challenge for me is telling a six-part story: so in Episode I there are things that I have to get in that refer to Episode VII… no, hang on, we’re not there yet. I mean Episode IV.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2002/may/15/news.seanclarke

Correction it was Episode I plot threads in Episode VII. It does show he had a plan of sorts. Nothing fully definitive but I can definitely see plot lines that tie into things he talked about for his Sequels. I think he always had a broad idea of where he wanted to take the story. It’s just the details that needed to be worked out. The Sequels were always less fleshed out then the Prequels.

As far as the Steven Spielberg (Rick McCallum too) bits:

https://youtu.be/jeVNa0cDOSk

3:42 minute mark.

That interview has him going on and on about how much he doesn’t want to make sequels. I think it’s fair to call it just a slip up.

Also worth noting he says stuff that we just know is false, like “[Revenge of the Sith] completes the saga as originally written.”

Anakin Starkiller said:

Sparky, that is not a fair analogy. I was presenting an meme that illustrates my perception of Ric_Olie2’s argument, not of Ric_olie2 himself. Stop treating it like an ad hominem. I can repost the image with just the text and no wojaks if that helps.

It’s still “Heh, this meme is you! SmartphOWNED” regardless lol

The longer she lives, the worse she looks.

Especially because she’s apparently still alive during TRoS, according to Filoni. So… why isn’t she involved in the fight against the First Order? Who cares about Luke Skywalker vanishing when the main character of Star Wars according to the internet is still alive and kicking?

She was a good character in TCW and Rebels. She should have stayed there instead of being pushed to every corner of the Star Wars universe.

We also might have been spared of the worst episode of Mando if she died in Rebels.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Oh and this is what you sound like, Ric_Olie2.

Reminded me of this

yotsuya said:

NeverarGreat said:

That seems like a rather myopic way to view the conversation. The final few statements are broken into three distinct thoughts:

“When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.”

“The Force runs strong in your family…pass on what you have learned.”

“Luke, there is another Skywalker.”

Each thought builds on the one before it, but it’s important to preserve the order of lines. Luke is being commanded to pass on what he has learned without first knowing that he has another living relative. It could be implied that Luke would pass on his knowledge to his children, or that his knowledge would lead to a ‘return of the Jedi’ in the galaxy like the title implies. Only after this order does Yoda drop the ‘other Skywalker’ bomb on him, so it stands to reason that this other would be among those Luke teaches but almost certainly not the extent of his obligation. I know I’d be pissed as a Force Ghost if my student just trained the secret twin and nobody else because of the letter of the order and not its spirit.

Yes, the order is important. He’s told to pass it on to family, not generally and then he is told there is another living Skywalker. The lines go together to say that Luke will be the last Jedi, and he has a living family member that Yoda wants him to train. Ben tells him that it is his twin sister Leia. There is not command to rebuild the Jedi. And we see in the TROS flashback that he did exactly that before he tried to start an Academy and teach others. Fans expected him to restart the Jedi and find and teach others. But that was not a goal in the OT.

Okay, sure, I can see how you can get that from those three lines in isolation, but it feels like a really weird time for Yoda to suddenly care a lot about the Skywalkers and the Skywalkers alone. It would be really weird if what Yoda really wanted was for Luke to train Leia, and then stop there, that’s it. It feels much more reasonable if “Pass on what you learned” doesn’t have a hidden “to Leia”. Leia is a jumping off point, she will be among the people he trains, not the only one.

> I don’t get why people believe Palpatine’s return had no set up

> Justification for it not being set up

TestingOutTheTest said:
Reddit.

Found your problem

TestingOutTheTest said:

Has anyone else made that argument on the board except you?

I kinda changed my mind on that?

You’re missing his point, nobody else really seems to be making this point, or at least it’s a very rare take. You’re arguing against a fictional position. I’m not sure anyone else has made that argument except you, although I’m not gonna say you’re the only one because that’s a quick and easy way to get owned.

Peter Pan said:

Thats another thing, because sifo Dyas sounds just like sidious, there might be some options to make Dooku mention him.

Irrelevant anecdote: When I was a kid my cousin told me that all Sith were ex-Jedi and that Sifo Dyas was Sidious, who faked his own death right before TPM.

The Jedi didn’t recognize him because kid logic.

I’d recommend you keep “Just like your father”, but that’s my opinion.

It should be fucking illegal to make it difficult to cancel a paid subscription.

jedi_bendu said:

The Rise of Skywalker - Look What You Have Made by Nerrel

Excusing the deliberately terrible thumbnail, this 40-minute critique of TROS is genuinely one the most intelligent and believe it or not, important video essays I’ve ever watched. It goes beyond complaining about the plot, having you understand the movie and why movies like it still get made. It has important thoughts about the current state and future of cinema in general, something that’s never really occurred to me before but which makes me very worried. Please watch!

Beware of spoilers for Colin Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fates and The Mandalorian season 2.

It is a very good video essay. If you’re gonna listen to some asshole youtuber talk about their opinions on Space Kino, this is the video you should watch.

TestingOutTheTest said:

It’s a jab at people acting like foreshadowing Palpatine’s return in TFA or TLJ would’ve destroyed the themes of hope or whatever.

I don’t know why you’re so hung up on that. It’s not like Palptine’s return not being foreshadowed was a creative choice, it’s because it’s some shit they came up with 10 months before the movie came out. If you’re talking about fanediting and just fanediting, you really gotta worry less about other people’s projects and their own creative decisions. There’s tons of ideas I don’t like that people incorporate into their fanedits. They can do whatever they want, even if it doesn’t appeal to me.

Regardless, I hope you know there’s a difference between retroactively altering a story and… releasing a third movie in a series that was always understood by literally everyone to be a trilogy.

NeverarGreat said:

Qui-gon’s explanation of the Force is one of duality; matter and energy, body and soul, mortal and God. A conduit, an intermediary, is required to bridge the gap and allow for a unification. It is a religious doctrine in keeping with the doctrinaire Jedi Order and its stratified system of authority and control.

Yoda dispenses with duality, implying that matter and energy are merely two appearances of the same essence. It is a spiritual teaching aiming at the highest truth, which is that all appearances of form and difference are merely shadows cast from the light of the eternal Force.

That’s a very interesting way to put it.

Spirituality, at least what I mean by it and what people mean when they criticize midichlorians for “demystifying the Force”, doesn’t really mean dealing with a higher power. There’s a materialistic explanation for the Force, the source of a Jedi’s power, and Anakin’s conception. Just because you can kind of squint your eyes and use a religious word to describe it (“God”) doesn’t mean that midichlorians aren’t totally material.

That’s not very spiritual at all. In fact, it’s even worse. Not sure where that quote’s from, but we now have a material explanation for Anakin’s virgin birth.

Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:
made you look

It’s a symbiotic relationship

Sure, I dig that

and very spiritual.

A material explanation for how a Jedi gets their power is the polar opposite of spiritual.

The Midi-Chlorians and Force aren’t the same thing. It’s one of the biggest misconceptions.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Midichlorians-Are-Not-The-Force/id/84084/page/1#1415227