The remastered Blu-ray suffers from bad SDR conversion with areas of near nuclear blue and teal. The UHD disc is a better point of reference and far more accurate. The DVD is probably wrong like many are.
As someone who saw it in 70mm I can confirm the 4K matches
I actually did see an unrestored 1968 70mm print and the 4K matches its look
Here’s an official link. Search for Special Longer Cut.
https://www.startrek.com/news/fully-restored-directors-edition-of-star-trek-the-motion-picture-arrives-on-4k-ultra-hd
This project is officially over, since it’s being officially released via 4K disc, as GuitarClef stated.
Right down to the audio being DD 2.0 on the 4K disk, meaning it’s the original stereo mix they utilized for that version
They even digitally recreated the transition subs unlike the older 4K disk which just used generic white subs
Is the Criterion version not an authentic US cut?
Yes this was the western market international version.
What’s the difference between the US and Criterion US cut?
I’ve traveled down this research path for a little while now and as far as I can tell it essentially boils down to this:
The original video masters existed in a variety of masters tweaked and untweaked starting with the initial VHS and LD releases here in the US from 16mm sources. In Japan they got the big Log boxsets that added PCM mono but appear to be ports of the same USA LD masters otherwise and they all have apparently Season 3 opening credits. Some claim the Japanese LDs have spiffed up transfers and other say the opposite. In my experience most Japanese LDs do port US picture masters.
For the first DVDs of the two episodes per disc they went back to the existing masters and brought them into the digital realm-and also upmixed the original mono to 5.1. They also have 2.0 tracks but sadly these are not mono but Dolby surround versions of the 5.1 upmix. I thought I would have to track these down for a mostly untouched TOS but apparently the main plastic shell 2004 DVD set reused these disc masters with better bitrate and encoding-representing the final release of the 16mm sourced video editions that closely resembled the original broadcast appearance-albeit without the original mono.
When the remastered versions arrived on DVD and then HDDVD they lacked original audio and effects but were the first time we saw what the new scans and cleanups looked like. Finally the BDs arrived and added the original effects plus lossy mono but more clearly showed these were indeed 2006 era transfers riddled with DNR. That said they look very good and more like film-but they do look different to the earlier appearance and how the broadcast would have looked. The audio remix appears to have been done again with new effects and nowt like the original 5.1 on first dvds which merely spread around the mono.
The monos seem for the most part intact but you do notice some new effects here and there and some episodes have the new theme rerecording downmixed in mono for some reason. It is the first time since the final VHS run any form of mono is on a TOS release but infuriating they couldn’t just give us proper lossless mono and no DNR to make a definitive TOS BD release.
They really need to do it again and finally do it right.I’ve often thought about getting the Japanese LD boxes but they are very expensive and I don’t know if the mono quality is worthwhile enough to justify the purchase. One could get the entire run on VHS on the 1994 blue spine ediiton for hifi mono but still the japanese pcm would be best overall. Has anyone been able to make a definitive list of all Blu-ray mono differences?
I heard somewhat of a rumor that the second half of the first season with their mono tracks were just downmixed remix tracks, but I haven’t heard anything to prove this
Is the Criterion version not an authentic US cut?
As Indy is shooting the swordsman, Greedo suddenly appears and shoots first
someone shared their own scan of the original 1973 cut on myspleen yesterday, though unfortunately it’s only 480p
why on 480p? It is sourced from lower quality materials?
Someone gave a theory that it was a telcine transfer created before HD home video was a thing but I’m still skeptical
someone shared their own scan of the original 1973 cut on myspleen yesterday, though unfortunately it’s only 480p
If you wanna know exactly what I’m up against, I’ll sum up the work done to the first episode alone
It required 9 different songs be restored and 3 instances of missing footage restored
Paramount/MTV truly did not give two shits about the episodes on their service
It’s fortunate the quality of the Paramount+ versions are better than the captures
If you wanna know exactly what I’m up against, I’ll sum up the work done to the first episode alone
It required 9 different songs be restored and 3 instances of missing footage restored
Paramount/MTV truly did not give two shits about the episodes on their service
would like to help you with this project if you want? =)
What would you provide?
Just out of curiosity
Didn’t even realize the show was on Paramount+. Would be very interested in a ‘definitive’ release of this.
Unfortunately idk how to rip from there
It’s actually quite clear, similar to Beavis and Butthead, they straight up just used the original MTV masters because of various “flaws” in the quality and such, even at times I can hear the original song buried under the new song
This show, despite being a huge pop culture icon, has not been treated very well over the years.
The DVD releases were heavily edited with music being changed everywhere and entire sketches being gone, each of the three volumes moreso resembling a “best of Jackass the TV show” compilation set.
Fortunately with Paramount+, the entire show was restored to its original TV format and is currently the best official way to watch the show. Surprisingly a lot of folks seemed to have overlooked this fact.
Unfortunately it’s not anywhere near perfect either, as pretty much every single music piece has been changed, the first episode not only uses the incorrect “Welcome to Jackass” intro, but is also missing the Willy Wonka parody montage. I haven’t gone through the entire series enough to determine if anything else is missing in that regard, but my guess is the music changing doesn’t improve at all.
I already have old TV rips of the show and if I were to be provided with rips from Paramount+ I could restore the show to its original form.
If interested, please let me know
the Paramount+ versions are mostly intact afaik content wise, bizarrely though the “welcome to Jackass” segment in the first episode is replaced with the one in the second episode (which results in a repeat intro whenever you watch the second episode) and the entire Willy Wonka parody from the same episode is cut out as well, not sure if anything else is edited out of the series but I wouldn’t be surprised, and pretty much all of the music is changed as well
if I was given rips of the Paramount+ versions then I could do some restoration work here and there considering the quality of them is much better than the TV rips
the Paramount+ versions are mostly intact afaik content wise, bizarrely though the “welcome to Jackass” segment in the first episode is replaced with the one in the second episode (which results in a repeat intro whenever you watch the second episode) and music is changed as well
I only have the USA DVDs of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. AND I had no clue about this either. Is it the same on the ANGEL DVDs? I haven’t checked in awhile.
I’ve the full series of both on DVD.
I don’t know about Angel but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case
you can sometimes actually hear the music from the “previously” segments abruptly cut into the opening of the episodes on the US DVDs as a result of the removal of those portions (it’s ESPECIALLY jarring for the episode The Gift)
Fox in general seems to have a fetish for doing that because the same thing happened with The X-Files
Are there any other differences between broadcast and DVD other then the openings?
Music for sure, and I think the first episode of Season 6 is cut on some foreign releases but I never actually got confirmation on that. I’m pretty sure the syndicated versions of S6E1-2 are cut.
The international DVD releases of the season 6 premiere are cut to remove two shots to the deer sacrifice scene, the US DVD is uncut in that regard
The two part version of the season 6 premiere is what’s on streaming and my estimate is it has about 3-4 minutes cut compared to the original “movie” version on the US DVD
Old TV captures would help too
Much has already been discussed about the horrid widescreen versions of the show that have surfaced on broadcast syndication and streaming services and such. Afaik though seasons 1-3 on Hulu are 4x3 and seasons 4-7 are widescreen (though idk if they use the “remasters” or the international DVD masters) which is at least fortunate for those seasons. But this project isn’t gonna focus on that.
While the US DVD releases are currently the official most preferable versions of the show to date, they aren’t necessarily 100% perfect either. Almost every episode originally featured a “previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer” segment before the episode started and they were all taken out for the US DVD releases. I want to potentially restore those to the 4x3 versions of the episodes because sometimes it resulted in audio anomalies in openings of episodes and the season 5 finale had a unique one that ended up becoming an easter egg on the season 7 DVD.
Supposedly streaming releases restore them but again, I wanna do them in their intended 4x3 aspect ratio.
Apparently the international DVD releases preserved them but I can’t find any rips of those to prove otherwise, if anyone can potentially provide me with any recordings whatsoever or international DVD rips that have those segments, please let me know, I want to restore them to the openings of the episodes.
At long last, I present to you all a proper release of the Hellraiser scan!
This HEVC encode is presented to you in Rec.2100 PQ (with the correct HDR encode transfer characteristic this time) in an open-matted UHD render (as certain effects shots from the Frank resurrection sequence are the only times on the print where hard-matting is particularly visible). The SDR thumbnail above was generated by Mad-VR with the peak nit set to 400 Clipping so if you’re looking for any tone mapping recommendations, I suppose you could take that into consideration (though running the MKV through VLC gets solid results as well on my end).
Unfortunately due to a lack of a consistent reference, I admittedly didn’t bother trying to manually adjust each of the reel’s color grading to counteract against the scanner’s reel-by-reel auto-balancing, so there may be some visible shifting in the overall color balance from time to time. I should also note that the HDR layer as a whole was rather problematic unfortunately. More often than not it was misaligned so I had manually nudge it but you may notice some garish haloing if you pixel-peek. Also, due to a file-copying mishap that must’ve occurred ages back when I first received the RAW scans that went unnoticed until recently, the HDR layer on the fourth reel was missing several thousands of frames, so you’ll probably notice some noisy flickering towards the latter half of the reel.
If you’ve donated previously, please send me a message as I’ve been having a hard time keeping track of who helped out years ago.
I’m having issues with mine
Added to the Letterboxd list and the link to the title.
Back to the Future sort of counts but that was only on Home Video versions aka VHS, not the cinema release.The Godfather trilogy 4K changes:
The Godfather:
-all optical texts digitally recreated, they’re mostly identical but still look a bit different (however what’s nice is the original Paramount logo was restored to the end, for the first time since VHS)The Godfather Part II:
-all optical texts digitally recreated, they’re mostly identical but still look a bit different, however the opening “A Paramount Picture” credit is changed entirely to a different font and says “Paramount Pictures Presents” (however what’s nice is at least the original Paramount logo is restored to the end for the first time since the 2001 DVD)
-The 4K version shortens a shot that was meant to be a reel change and intentionally was extended by two seconds or so to accommodate but for reasons the reel change was moved somewhere else and the 2 seconds were left in, they appeared on every past home video release including the 2007 BD, but they were taken out for the 4K version
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=311098The Godfather Part III:
-recut twice for home video, initially for the 1991 VHS as the “final director’s cut”, where it was extended from 162 minutes to 170 minutes, all home video releases before the 4K were based off of this cut
-the second recut was done in 2020 and retitled to “The Godfather Coda: The Death of Michael Corleone”, it’s the shortest running at 157 minutes and has some portions re-arranged as well
https://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=610 (comparison between the theatrical and 1991 cut though note that this is in German and despite the TV broadcast being based off of the theatrical cut, is still cut for violence and such)
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=785871 (comparison between the 1991 cut and Coda)the theatrical cut never got a home video release until it was released as a bonus feature alongside the 1991 cut on the 4K set
I really don’t need any of that. Just links, i.e. movie-censorship, to add to the films on the Letterboxd list. I’m streamlining this. Also will add The Saga Cut to the links for The GodFather Parts I & II.
I WILL add the links, of course. Thanks!
Can you at least add for the theatrical and 1991 cut comparison that it’s in German and the broadcast despite being based off of the theatrical cut is still edited for violence and such?
Added to the Letterboxd list and the link to the title.
Back to the Future sort of counts but that was only on Home Video versions aka VHS, not the cinema release.
The Godfather trilogy 4K changes:
The Godfather:
-all optical texts digitally recreated, they’re mostly identical but still look a bit different (however what’s nice is the original Paramount logo was restored to the end, for the first time since VHS)
The Godfather Part II:
-all optical texts digitally recreated, they’re mostly identical but still look a bit different, however the opening “A Paramount Picture” credit is changed entirely to a different font and says “Paramount Pictures Presents” (however what’s nice is at least the original Paramount logo is restored to the end for the first time since the 2001 DVD)
-The 4K version shortens a shot that was meant to be a reel change and intentionally was extended by two seconds or so to accommodate but for reasons the reel change was moved somewhere else and the 2 seconds were left in, they appeared on every past home video release including the 2007 BD, but they were taken out for the 4K version
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=311098
The Godfather Part III:
-recut twice for home video, initially for the 1991 VHS as the “final director’s cut”, where it was extended from 162 minutes to 170 minutes, all home video releases before the 4K were based off of this cut
-the second recut was done in 2020 and retitled to “The Godfather Coda: The Death of Michael Corleone”, it’s the shortest running at 157 minutes and has some portions re-arranged as well
https://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=610 (comparison between the theatrical and 1991 cut though note that this is in German and despite the TV broadcast being based off of the theatrical cut, is still cut for violence and such)
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=785871 (comparison between the 1991 cut and Coda)
the theatrical cut never got a home video release until it was released as a bonus feature alongside the 1991 cut on the 4K set
Just seeing this thread.
Any updates?
I’ve been wanting to get a comprehensive B&B collection.
I originally just had the King Turd collection… although not V3 that was mentioned above I don’t think… I’m actually not totally sure which I have and it’s not mentioned in the included Word file.
But I also have the DVD rips, Mike Judge Collection (I downloaded these from Amazon with a Paramount+ subscription, Blu Ray rips, etc.Ok, so edit as I’m typing this.
I just looked it up and there are many more episodes for me to get through Amazon. They have episodes from seasons 4 though 11 using Paramount… I’m acquiring all of these as I type.
First one I got was S04E02 Cow Tipping that is mentioned above.
Definitely much sharper quality than the existing one I had… the Metallica on Beavis’ shirt is much more clear… better colors etc.
Also the file is longer at 11:35 compared to the King Turd copy at 10:49
Although my Amazon (Paramount rip) is only 173 meg compared to the King Turd at 282 meg it is much better.So has anyone put together a definitive list of all the episodes (I generally follow The TVDB listings)… along with the best current available source?
While I have the full rips of all the DVD’s and BluRays I still have to go through and properly name them and see what to replace with my current King Turd collection.
This is a hard set to put together as some rips/sources have single episodes, double episodes, with/without music videos.I have put together an excel sheet of all the various best sources. But a lot of the TV captures and tapes used to make King Turd are not publicly available. It’s thousands of files.
But more importantly, the list becomes more obsolete every couple of weeks. We are still in the early stage of paramount uploading the full episodes. We will need to reassess everything when they finally finish, but we have only had a couple dozen episodes released over 5 weeks so far. What they have listed as seasons 9 to 11 are just the Mike Judge Collection DVDs of chopped up episodes.
If you are looking through the DVDs to find episodes that are better than King Turd, I wouldn’t bother. No new DVDs have come out since KT v2. They used the Mike Judge Collection, etc. A few rips have surfaced that can help get rid of logos. But again, we probably need to wait about a year until paramount finishes releasing the whole series.
The Paramount episodes aren’t perfect. Some of the music videos suffer from conversion to progressive scan. Some of the broadcast tapes they’re using have dot crawl analog noise, and so on. But it will give us a lot of material to use for upgrades. It was already looking like we could remove just about every logo, but that should become a whole lot easier in time.
Well, the BluRays are definitely the nicest but only about 15 episodes. Do you know if there are plans for any more BluRay releases?
Does Paramount have a release schedule or is it just a wait and see sort of thing?
Do you happen to have a source for the KingTurd V3 set? I’ve had mine for years so I’m sure it’s version 2.KT is version 2. The above discussion was about making a v3 someday using these new sources.
Season 8 is on Blu-ray because it was made in 2011, digitally, in HD.
These paramount+ episodes aren’t remastered in the sense that they’re scanning any film in HD. They aren’t even using the master analog tapes, but rather specific broadcast masters. So they’re nowhere near Blu-ray quality, but the benefit is that they include the music videos and scenes that would become censored (depending on which tapes they use!).
Oh, and paramount is a wait and see thing. They release Thursday, early morning, every 2 or 3 weeks. 4 to 9 episodes at a time, so far.
so the episodes that are available already, are there any past edits that still apply?
They’re mostly season 7 episodes, and a couple season 4 and 5 episodes. So far, no, not edited. As I mentioned, Woodshop has the cut parts intact. Late Night with Butt-Head has the Letterman portion intact. But those would have been DVD edits rather than broadcast edits. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure if any they’ve posted so far were censored on their original MTV run.
I’m particularly curious about Comedians if/when it surfaces
Well they added Sporting Goods today and it is the censored version, so that is a pretty bad sign.
What was censored?
