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#1270663
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I’m really sorry to hear about the latest problems you’ve had to deal with, Ady. You deserve far better than that after all you’ve done for Star Wars fans everywhere. The scammers should be utterly ashamed of themselves, and I completely agree that naming the git who messed you about with the helmet seems like a perfectly fair and reasonable response!

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adywan said:

Snaketibe said:

adywan said:

Darth Hade said:

Please keep the scene where Boba is flirting with the girl in Jabba’s palace.

It is the only good addition to the Return of the Jedi Special Edition.

Sorry, all of the “Special Edition” additions to that scene will be going. They’re so awful.

Agreed, they are awful (CGI Sy Snootles, the new band members, the 3 dancing girls, etc.). However, I thought the new scenes they filmed with Femi Taylor reprising her role as Oola were actually pretty good. She looked exactly the same as she did 15 years earlier and I’ve always liked her extra scenes in the rancor pit.

Will you be keeping Oola’s extra scenes or will your edit return her involvement closer to the original version?

Oola in the pit is likely to go.

Thanks for answering. If her scene in the pit does go, I will miss it, but I’m still very much looking forward to seeing your edit.

Also, great work on the colour grading 😃

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adywan said:

Darth Hade said:

Please keep the scene where Boba is flirting with the girl in Jabba’s palace.

It is the only good addition to the Return of the Jedi Special Edition.

Sorry, all of the “Special Edition” additions to that scene will be going. They’re so awful.

Agreed, they are awful (CGI Sy Snootles, the new band members, the 3 dancing girls, etc.). However, I thought the new scenes they filmed with Femi Taylor reprising her role as Oola were actually pretty good. She looked exactly the same as she did 15 years earlier and I’ve always liked her extra scenes in the rancor pit.

Will you be keeping Oola’s extra scenes or will your edit return her involvement closer to the original version?

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doubleofive said:

I think a human/cyborg relations droid expressing pain is different from a box with legs that I think is basically a walking battery?

Again, if that’s your opinion, you’re perfectly entitled to it 😃. Since there is no right or wrong answer to this hypothetical question, you’re not wrong because you can’t be. Neither can I. However, personally I find it an extraordinary and implausible distinction since they’re both basically machines. If we try to apply some logic to the Star Wars universe (which I’ll be the first to admit is always a bad idea! 😉), since the droids we see throughout the saga are clearly sentient, if they’re capable of being programmed to feel pain, then there’s absolutely no reason not to do it. The benefit to the droid is obvious, and it’s the same reason humans feel pain; to know when they’re being injured so they can try to do something to stop it. On that basis, the gonk droid would be able to feel pain and hence that ability could be exploited to torture it.

I’m not going to claim it’s my favourite scene of the saga, or even Jedi, but I certainly don’t hate it. There are far more deserving candidates for excision, IMHO, namely almost all of the Special Edition changes apart from Oola’s scenes and the animated Sarlaac arms (but not the beak, obviously; that abomination can be binned and won’t be missed by anybody).

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timdiggerm said:

Another reason that shot is awful: It’s comes off as funny, but it shows torture.

They may be kids films, but torture has been part of Star Wars from the beginning; arms or hands being chopped off in every film, Leia’s interrogation droid / mind probe in Star Wars, Han on the torture rack in Empire, Han being bound and nearly eaten by the ewoks in Jedi, and of course the ultimate torture scene of the saga, the Emperor using force lightning on Luke at the end of Jedi.

How is the gonk torture scene fundamentally any different? Torture is torture. You say that to you it comes off as being funny, and if that is your opinion, I believe you. However, it never seemed that way to me, either watching it as a kid in 1983 or as an adult today. The scene is there to show the jeopardy Threepio and Artoo find themselves in at Jabba’s Palace. Of course if Ady doesn’t like it, it’s his edit and so he has a perfect right to remove it, but I for one would miss it.

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#1139089
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adywan said:

Ever since i first saw the movie in 1983, i have hated that scene. A gonk droid feeling pain? Seriously? Pretty much sums up the things wrong with that movie.

I really hate to say this, but droids feeling pain has already been established as canon in ESB Revisted. At 1:56:44 when R2-D2 is welding C-3PO’s foot, Threepio says, ‘Ouch! Pay attention to what you’re doing!’ when Artoo’s welding goes slightly awry.

If Threepio can feel pain, it’s not unreasonable to think other droids can as well… even gonks.

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#1128854
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Before the expiration of the $1,000 challenge offer tomorrow, 12th November, please can I take this opportunity to encourage anyone who enjoys Ady’s Revisited project, but has not yet donated, to do so? There is still time to have your donation matched by the very generous offer made by 1,000 Challenge. There has never been a better time to donate to Revisited, as your donation will effectively be doubled at no extra expense to you.

I would like to thank 1,000 Challenge for his kindness and generosity in making this offer, and of course also Adywan for his continued hard work, dedication, talent and generosity at making and sharing the Revisited films with the rest of us.

I really enjoy and appreciate Ady’s work, and so I have just made a donation as part of the $1,000 challenge. Please consider doing likewise. Thank you.

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#1121680
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TV’s Frink said:

If there’s no green sky I’m going to be really disappointed.

Also, since it (somehow) hasn’t been suggested yet, adywan should recolor Luke’s lightsaber to Air Superiority Blue.

Dang! There go my hopes of it being made entirely transparent 😉

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#1121672
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doubleofive said:

Snaketibe said:

ZeeverFett said:

I would love to see Luke with his intended blue lightsaber in this Revisited version. They only made it green because of the blue sky on tatooine.

Granted George Lucas has contradicted himself many times over the years with regards to Star Wars, so who knows what the real story is, but the one I heard was that George made the saber green in Jedi to make it clear it’s a different one to the one Luke lost on Bespin.

Then it would have been scripted like that, and there wouldn’t be trailers with a blue saber.

Well, I was curious about this, so I had a quick search and found this informative read. It might be that both reasons are true; it was changed both to stand out better against the blue sky and also to differentiate it from the one lost on Bespin: http://www.forcematerial.com/home/2016/10/23/the-real-reason-luke-skywalker-has-a-green-lightsaber

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#1121369
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ZeeverFett said:

I would love to see Luke with his intended blue lightsaber in this Revisited version. They only made it green because of the blue sky on tatooine.

Granted George Lucas has contradicted himself many times over the years with regards to Star Wars, so who knows what the real story is, but the one I heard was that George made the saber green in Jedi to make it clear it’s a different one to the one Luke lost on Bespin.

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#1120157
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SilverWook said:

Snaketibe said:

Valheru_84 said:

Depheros said:

Just as a test, here’s the beginning of the sail barge sequence with flipped shots put back:
https://vimeo.com/238829311
It’s more jarring than the original, without a doubt. Although, I do like that Mark Hamill’s face is flipped back to normal now. I think that’s the main giveaway.

Can’t say I found any issue with those shots flipped back, I followed along fine with where the barge was heading and the other ships location to it.

.Val

I quite agree. The viewer can follow the action just fine, and quite frankly I’m seriously struggling to see why it was flipped in the first place, as IMHO this version is infinitely superior. The only possible quibble from pedants I can see is that when they finally arrive at the Sarlacc the skiffs are now on the barge’s left side instead of the right, but since they’re all flying vehicles with vast space around them on all sides, and we don’t witness the entire trip, surely it’s not beyond the wit of the viewer to assume the skiff moved to the other side at some point before the journey’s end? Donald Trump might struggle to understand it, but regular humans with at least double-digit IQs won’t. I didn’t watch that clip and think, ‘My God! The skiff’s teleported!’

Please keep politics out of this discussion. Thank you.

My apologies, will do.

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#1120144
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dahmage said:

Snaketibe said:

Valheru_84 said:

Depheros said:

Just as a test, here’s the beginning of the sail barge sequence with flipped shots put back:
https://vimeo.com/238829311
It’s more jarring than the original, without a doubt. Although, I do like that Mark Hamill’s face is flipped back to normal now. I think that’s the main giveaway.

Can’t say I found any issue with those shots flipped back, I followed along fine with where the barge was heading and the other ships location to it.

.Val

I quite agree. The viewer can follow the action just fine, and quite frankly I’m seriously struggling to see why it was flipped in the first place, as IMHO this version is infinitely superior. The only possible quibble from pedants I can see is that when they finally arrive at the Sarlacc the skiffs are now on the barge’s left side instead of the right, but since they’re all flying vehicles with vast space around them on all sides, and we don’t witness the entire trip, surely it’s not beyond the wit of the viewer to assume the skiff moved to the other side at some point before the journey’s end? Donald Trump might struggle to understand it, but regular humans with at least double-digit IQs won’t. I didn’t watch that clip and think, ‘My God! The skiff’s teleported!’

so, you find those who will watch the movie as edited and released to be the pedants, and those who want to ‘unflip’ all shots because it is driving them crazy to not be the pedants?

Well since that’s not what I said, no I don’t.

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#1120143
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And I see that my last reply arrived moments after Ady’s post (which had not yet posted when I started composing my reply), and contradicts his viewpoint totally!.. Oh well, each to their own, and it is quite obviously his edit to do with as he sees fit. Personally I hope those shots get flipped back, but if they aren’t I’m not going to cry about it. I’m grateful for any and everything Ady gives us, and I’ve lived with these flips for this long, I’m sure I can live with them a little longer if that’s his decision 😃

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#1120141
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Valheru_84 said:

Depheros said:

Just as a test, here’s the beginning of the sail barge sequence with flipped shots put back:
https://vimeo.com/238829311
It’s more jarring than the original, without a doubt. Although, I do like that Mark Hamill’s face is flipped back to normal now. I think that’s the main giveaway.

Can’t say I found any issue with those shots flipped back, I followed along fine with where the barge was heading and the other ships location to it.

.Val

I quite agree. The viewer can follow the action just fine, and quite frankly I’m seriously struggling to see why it was flipped in the first place, as IMHO this version is infinitely superior. The only possible quibble from pedants I can see is that when they finally arrive at the Sarlacc the skiffs are now on the barge’s left side instead of the right, but since they’re all flying vehicles with vast space around them on all sides, and we don’t witness the entire trip, surely it’s not beyond the wit of the viewer to assume the skiff moved to the other side at some point before the journey’s end? Donald Trump might struggle to understand it, but regular humans with at least double-digit IQs won’t. I didn’t watch that clip and think, ‘My God! The skiff’s teleported!’

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#1119846
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DominicCobb said:

Bingowings said:

DominicCobb said:

Bingowings said:

dahmage said:

Glad to finally hear you guys put an end to this constant search for flipped shots. they are flipped for a reason, as some posters above have clearly explained.

It doesn’t matter. The flipped elements can be partially or wholly flipped back and maintain composition. It’s just as distracting to see R2 mirrored as having him move counter to the flow of the action.

I disagree on your second point (flipped elements are only noticed by obsessive fans on repeat viewings, whereas a bad cut is obvious to anyone, whether or not they understand why), but yes, if the offending elements can be changed without flipping the whole shot back, then that should absolutely be done.

As someone with a fine art training in my experience people generally notice these things at a gut level. I noticed the flip shots in the phantom menace on first viewing.

I’ve seen that film more times than I care to admit and I don’t even know what they are off the top of my head. Also, since I guess we’re listing credentials, I work as a video editor.

Well, as someone with no relevant credentials, I can confirm that I often spot flipped shots on the first viewing of a film (and not just Star Wars). Naturally there will be many, many more occasions where I have not spotted them, but often they stick out like sore thumbs to me, and I find them extremely jarring.

Continuity errors bug the hell out of me as they smack of, at the very least poor planning, and at worst, poor film-making, and I place flipped shots firmly in the continuity error category for being deemed ‘necessary’ in the first place to avoid jarring 180 degree rule breaches. With more competent planning, most flipped shots should be completely avoidable, but if the director hasn’t got the footage shot, the poor editor is screwed and has to make do with what they have.

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#1119821
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Personally, I’ve always thought it made perfect sense that Boba Fett might be found hanging out in Jabba’s vicinity, since he obviously works for him at least some of the time. I therefore have no problem at all with his presence in the film, but each to his or her own in that regard.

However, I do feel his rather feeble end could certainly be improved, and so since Ady has said Boba will be staying in the film, I look forward to seeing what he decides to do in that regard.

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ray_afraid said:

I don’t think these flipped shots were being pointed out as needing to be flipped back, but that certain elements in the shots can be corrected.

Exactly. I don’t mean to make light of the work involved, as I’m sure it’s not easy at all, even for someone with Ady’s talents, but if some of the worst offenders can be improved (Boba Fett’s flipped shots in Jabba’s Palace leap to mind, along with Jabba’s nostrils… not a sentence I get to type very often 😉), it would be wonderful.

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#1119456
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I’d never noticed Carrie’s birthmark before, but I’ve certainly noticed Jabba’s massive and lop-sided nostrils flipping from side to side in the Sail Barge scenes. I’ve always detested flipped shots as once you’ve seen them they invariably become impossible not to see. Hopefully at least some of them may be fixable in this edit.

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#1103850
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Firstly, congratulations and thank you for ESB:R. It’s a stellar achievement and I genuinely believe in years to come, it will increasingly be considered the definitive version of Empire, not just by those of us that have already seen it, but by vast numbers of Star Wars fans around the world who have yet to enjoy its delights. Once they watch it, they’ll become converts 😃

Regarding ROTJ:R, I’m delighted (but not surprised) to hear that the execrable ‘Jedi Rocks’ is going. You didn’t say, but I am assuming and hoping that ‘Lapti Nek’ will be restored?

As for new change suggestions, I’m sure I’ll think of some (almost all of which you will already have thought of yourself, no doubt!), so for now I will content myself by hoping that you find a way of unflipping / re-filming the Boba Fett scenes in Jabba’s Palace where his antenna is suddenly on the wrong side of his helmet due to flipping the shot. It’s always bugged me and takes me right out of the film.