Almost everything from the OUT - except the crap at the Ewok village (hero’s on a barbecue spit, C-3P0 worship and story-telling scene, etc).
The love scenes from Ep II are thoroughly rotten and a god-awful chore to sit through.
Some decent action set-pieces (barely) keep this instalment from being a complete bust.
Fang Zei said:
I know it’s an anonymous Redditer, but a 4K release is an eventuality, and a release leading into Christmas and IX makes sense.
One can dream it will contain the theatrical when it happens, whether this year or later. There really is no excuse from a technical/financial perspective not to release the original cut when SW hits the format.
That last part is worth repeating. IIRC, the 2011 blu-ray packages didn’t make as much money in their first day/week of release as the dvd did back in 2004.
A large reason for that, I think, is because the only perk of owning the blu-ray aside from being able to watch the prequels and yet another revision of the SE in HD was the deleted scenes that were gonna end up on youtube anyway. I think there were a lot of people who remembered 2004 and said “fool me once,” although many here bought it anyway hand over fist for the extras.
None of those selling points were enough for me then, and a 4k HDR SE certainly won’t be enough of a selling point for me without the unaltered versions. I suspect I’m not alone in that regard.
OUT included or no sale.
I still have my 2006 unaltered DVD releases and will continue to enjoy them.
I will not buy this SE sh*t a FOURTH (VHS, DVD and Blu-ray) time.
Studios could get weird where title sequences on widescreen movies are concerned when they reached home video. Squeeze the original so no text gets cut off, but make the actors look thin, or use a textless version intended for making foreign release prints with no thought to matching the style of the theatrical titles. I know on my old pan and scan Raiders Of The Lost Ark LD you can tell it’s video generated text over the opening footage, which doesn’t look like the original theatrical lettering.
In the rare instances a title sequence was letterboxed in early home video or on tv, artwork would be used to conceal the black bars.
Maurice Binder got so fed up with seeing his intricate James Bond title sequences get mangled on tv, that he would create separate 4:3 versions in the Roger Moore era.
Raiders looks like it has the same font though it does lack the black outline on top of the white lettering and obviously sized differently to accommodate the 4:3 image.
The 1999 Fullscreen VHS and 2003 Fullscreen DVD have the opening and closing credits in widescreen so the original logos are retained.
This reminds me of something strange with Jaws. The 1980s VHS as well as the Discovision release has the credits in the same size and font as the widescreen version albeit they appear somewhat small in the 4:3 image while the 2000 Fullscreen VHS and DVD and 2005 Fullscreen DVD have the credits a bit larger but squeezed in to accommodate the 4:3 (like Raiders above).
A comparison between the 2000 DVD widescreen and pan & scan JAWS ABC TV edit (1980):
If the Brazil CIC videotape is good enough quality (and providing it doesn’t have edits to it), why not replace the Portuguese with English audio? You will still have the problem of translating a small portion of deleted material (extended Police Station/camera recovery). The positive is you won’t have to worry about miss-matching video quality, colour correcting or different aspect ratios for the additional footage.
Are you going to include the extended Police Station footage? The scene starts earlier than the TBS television edit. There’s dialogue there that also needs translation.
I didn’t notice any issues with motion/frame rate. It looked fine.
I did a trade with an online collector a few years back, my copies of JAWS / JAWS 2 are part of his/her “THE WORKPRINT COLLECTION”.
The image looks clean enough - better looking than my copy. A pity about the station ident. My copy has the “TBS” translucent watermark, placed at the bottom right-hand corner, throughout the film.
I used the deleted scenes from the DVD’s and off-air recordings (JAWS ABC & JAWS 2 TBS TV edits) for the unreleased material.
Viewing the TBS expanded JAWS 2 again, I got the impression it may have been identical to the Brazilian videotape in its additional content, but cut back for the television broadcast?
The intro for the Police Station, the recovery of the skin-divers camera and the underwater attack on the helicopter pilot have been edited - or (camera recovery) completely omitted.
I did something similar a while back, extended versions of JAWS and JAWS 2 that match the TV edits - but without the cuts to violence and language.
My versions are fullscreen VHS-quality with the original mono audios. I never did upload them as they were a personal project only.
Being a fan of the JAWS films, I have wanted to see the old TV edits get an official home video release.
I viewed your test video, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the extra shot of the pilot struggling with his harness before, it looks like a different take to that used in the extended TBS cut of JAWS 2?
The 1999 ANCHOR BAY extended widescreen HALLOWEEN (1978) is not the same as the 1981 television edit.
The alternate scene of Laurie discovering the bodies of her two friends, in the wardrobe, is an alternate take that is not available on DVD/Blu-ray. There is also another alternate take used in the 1981 television edit - Laurie telling the two children to go next door and call the police. This alternate take is used at the beginning of HALLOWEEN II (1981). But here, it is seen in its complete form.
The 1981 television edit also included two title cards - just after little Michael has killed his sister - which are not included in the extended widescreen 1999 release of HALLOWEEN (1978).
The Australian home video Betamax/VHS release of MAD MAX 2 has an extended dialogue scene for Pappagallo.
An extended version of JAWS 2 was released on VHS in Brazil. Includes footage not released on DVD/Blu-ray.
The television edit of HALLOWEEN (1978/81) was released on VHS by MEDIA HOME ENTERTAINMENT.
The HALLOWEEN television edit includes an alternate shot of Laurie discovering the dead bodies of Lynda and her boyfriend.
The link at the very top of this page will take you to a nice looking widescreen version of the theatrical cut.
How many different cuts exist of that movie? AFAIK I have two different versions on DVD… One is about 90 minutes, the other about 100 minutes. I always theught that covered all version…
Ah… Misread your answer, somehow my brain deleted a ‘not’ while reading…
I have three versions of HALLOWEEN (1978).
The 1978 theatrical cut (widescreen and fullscreen).
The 1999 extended cut (about 10 mins longer in widescreen).
The 1981 TV edit (fullscreen) is cut for violence & language, but has the added scenes filmed during/after(?) production of HALLOWEEN II (1981), to fill out the running time.
Exclusive to this TV edit are two extra title cards and two alternate takes:
Two new title cards appear in succession, which reads: “Smith’s Grove, Illinois” and “May 1st 1964”, are placed at the beginning of the new extended scene featuring Dr Loomis and the two psychiatrists.
Laurie discovering the bodies of her two friends in the wardrobe.
Laurie telling the two children to go next door and call the police.
Excellent work! My favourite deleted scene from STAR WARS.
Hope to see a restored version without the added elements. Great job.
I’ve just seen this listing of Harmy’s Despecialized Star Wars trilogy on eBay. I reported it as a bootleg on the listing page: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273139608993
This guy is also trying to sell another set in an auction if you go to his page
I initially posted in the wrong thread and was redirected here. Sorry about that.
“ENDED”. Looks like another sale went down.
More money 20th Century Fox/Lucasfilm/Disney/whatever aren’t getting.
Much more pleasing to the eye than purple-faced people.
What bothered me most about the colour grading for modern STAR WARS home video releases, was how blue Greedo looked. I remembered him being green NOT blue.
The metal tub, used by Malla in the kitchen, looks similar to the one seen in: THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE (1974).
Does he actually know about the small alterations in Raiders and Jaws? Or was that kind of done without his knowledge?
I think he does know. He’s certainly powerful enough in the industry and probably keeps a close eye on his films and their releases.
Either it was his idea (little changes) or somebody talked him into it? Whomever it was, thought they could sneak it in without notice.
Something very similar to the classic TIE-fighter sound effect can be heard in the title sequence for “THE TOXIC AVENGER” (1984).
That said, a recompositing of the original film elements for an OUT wouldn’t offend me, but I also don’t tend to think it is necessary.
People on this site are the only ones I’ve ever seen that claim to be offended by recompositing the original effects. I don’t think they’re bothered by the TNG blurays though.
The question is, if all the SEs had done was recomp the effects, and had this become the only available version of the films, would this website exist? I bet not. I think the nature of the situation and the fact that we’ve been forced to create these projects has created radicals.
Yeah that would have been good enough as a Special edition. But you know say that clip they showed where there was extra dialogue in the conference room on the Death Star before Tarkin and Vader walk in.
Things like that would have been nice additions that would actually have really added something subtle and interesting without screwing anything up…
^ This would have been normal sort of special edition Fayre…
Instead we are left with Plastic crap looking stuff intermingled with a classic film from 1977.
Why add the Jabba scene when everything has already been covered in the Greedo scene? when you could have just extended the conference scene actually adding something of worth…
I think the Space scenes they get away with the CGI there Sandcrawler Model and the new mattes (on some occasions) but that is really about it.
I don’t mind something being updated. But the whole tone of many of the changes is chalk and cheese, that is a lot of them do not work well Mos Eisley in particular is totally ruined, I Like the Falcon Take off though I think that one is fairly agreeable there is little hurt to be felt and makes it a bit more exhillarating.
The explosions of Alderaan and The Death Star are not that good either.
I could stomach only having a Special edition available as long as it did not screw the film up to the point where something you really loved you look at and hate in parts of it now…
When I first heard about the OT SE’s I was hoping for a straight forward expansion of the films. Using original deleted materials only - no intrusive CGI to taint the films vintage. I would have preferred seeing more deleted character moments, rather than ‘improvements’ to SFX and sets (Mos Eisley, Ben’s hovel & Cloud City).
I’m done with the SE’s - shameful travesties. Theatrical cut of the original trilogy (1977-83) or no sale!
I doubt the “LOST CUT” will ever get an official release. A version produced by STAR WARS fans would be great.
It’ll never be 100% accurate but there is enough deleted/alternate material out there to construct a rough approximation.