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#50386
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Hockey Talk
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The Sharks are a menace to society, the last great white shark that got so much attention was Jaws and we all know what happened to it. If the flames lose they should get to throw a couple to rocks at the very least. We're all hockey fans right? Surely we can all agree they would deserve some compensation?









(Skipper is a total hippocryte, he hates hockey and is from calgary.
Skipper's conscience)
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#50383
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Man beheaded by al-qaeda and video published on internet
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Ultimately that is our choice, but we may feel so strongly that what we are doing is the right thing that we are blinded to the consequences of our actions; also, the pressure on us to go in a certain direction may be so strong that we never consider making any other possible decision.


People tend to forget that after the 911 bombings, bush could have gone on a massive manhunt, bombed iraq, bomed wherever, and the american people would have been right behind him. The country was screaming bloody murder, perffectly understandably. But Bush acted with remarkable foresight. I remember how impressed people were with him at the time that he didn't go off in "a certain direction". He measured the options and picked the best one. The whole point of democracy is that the people are represented. If Bush had just laid down and let it lie, it would have been political suicide! Bush had to do something, but he waited until things calmed down. If he had wanted to go into Iraq immediatly after the bombing, for whatever reason, real or pretense people would have been behind him 100%. (on a note, I agree totally with Chaltab here, I doubt he was lying and really thought there were bombs. Nobody gets to be president of the US as a total and complete moron, which is what it would take to go to war over a false pretense) However, that would have pissed off the world, AMerica would have looked like one of those revenge charavcters from old dramas.

Was he justified to go into Iraq? Personally, for the reasons he gave I don't think so. There was not enough evidence, yada, yada, yada, you've heard it all, so no. Was he right to kick Saddam out? Yes, definetly, that is the only thing that could possibly redeem the invasion. If that was one of the reasons for going in though, they could have put more thought into what would happen afterwards.

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Originally posted by: Ricarleite
Second, I'll never EVER stop believing in peace. I mean, what is your definition of an ideal world? A non-ending war? I'm fighting for the ideal world, the world I want our children to be raised in.


Ricarleite, world peace is easy to talk about, but impossible to attain. First of all, in an ideal world, we would all be communist. The failure of communism in the USSR is proof that pure communism is a dream. People aren't perfect. There will always be evil people regardless of whether or not people believe in evil. People who don't believe in the concept of good and evil have never been on the recieving end of true horror. Do you think the iraqies would deny the existance of evil? The dipute on evil is the handiwork of stuffed up philosiphers who have no true concept of the horrors of the world.


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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
There are certain pressures within culture and society that work on us, leading us to either do good or evil

GundarkHunter, every action people make is a concious desicion to perform that action. Society may put pressures on us, but the action that we finally choose is in the end, our desicion.

edit: no names in quotes
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#50376
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Evil Empire...
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Berlim was bombed and took over by the soviet army at the end of the war. Is Germany on the map? Last time I checked, yes it was. Japan was ready to surrender, as it became clear the war was stalemated, but unfortunaly people give more reason to the "Enola Gay" than to that simple fact.

In the battle of iwo Jima, after ten days of bombing, 70000 marines went up against 27000 Japanese and lost a third of their force. Ever heard of the battle of Okinawa? The first battle on Japanese soil was the bloodiest battle in history, more people were killed than in both atomic blasts, that's just an example of an outlying island too. In actual fact, only a few government officials were willing to surrender, the army and the ordinary citizens wished to keep fighting. They did surrender, on the condition that the emperor was kept in power. That was refused. After the surrender, the army tried to kidnap the emperor in order to continue.

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And no, they didn't think their Emperor was God, ever heard of the Meiji Era revolution?


Ater the dropping of the bombs Hirohito spoke briefly to the Japanese people over the radio to announce the surrender. This was the first time his astonished subjects had heard the voice of their Emperor ever. What did he say? "I am not a god." If you don't believe me go google Hirohito and God, the majority of japanese citizens actually believed that he was God on earth.
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#50309
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Evil Empire...
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Shimraa, you mean, they would be communists? I doubt it. The thing is, if Japan had surrendered by its own, there would be a whole lot of sanctions imposed on Japan, even more than it was.


Not really, the entire reason that the US dropped the bomb, was because the Japanese were know to be so tenacious. You only have to look at the kamikaze pilots to get an idea of what fighting of Japense soil and man to man would have been like. The casualties that the Japanese inlicted in battle were huge. Taking the war to japan would have been to high a cost in men for both sides. They wouldn't have been a third world country, nor would there have been a country to impose sanctions on, they would have wiped themselves of the map. I mean they still thought that their emperor was God at the time. Think Jihad and then turn it nationalistic and religious. It would have been a massacre. The bombs prevented that. (on a side note, there was no way that Japan would have become communists, for the same reasons as above)