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#1310079
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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V.I.N.Cent said:

Sifo Dyas said:

DominicCobb said:

Sifo Dyas said:

canofhumdingers said:

Yeah, we know. We’ve discussed it all already. Shogun Assassin is just a film compiled from parts of the first two Lone Wolf and Cub films, edited together for American theatrical release. Magnificent Seven is just “reused material” (to quote you) from Seven Samurai set in the American West rather than Feudal Japan.

Did you know Star Wars (1977) is just a bunch of standard hero and myth tropes jumbled together with a bit of fantasy, western, and samurai genres all blended together? Did you know Fistful of Dollars is just a spaghetti western remake of Yojimbo? Things reuse ideas from previous things. Omg! There’s a reason the word “tropes” exits…

The issue is, how well does THIS media execute those ideas? I thought episode 5 was possibly the weakest so far. I still liked it, but it definitely had some issues with the casting and maybe the directing imo. I still think episode 2 and 3 were the high point so far but this is still a very fun series! I’m sad we’ve got only, what, two more to go this season?

I didn’t know about this Yojimbo film, but I guess for a good reason.

If you reuse something you should make it better, as all of those pictures you mentioned here did.

What makes you think that’s true? If you’ve never, by your own admission, even heard of them? Because I assure you it is not.

I literally said I did not hear about Yojimbo.
It means I heard about all the others.
What the hell you smokin?
Own admission?
Can you even read properly?

You say the Magnificent seven is not better then the Seven Samurai?
That Star Wars is not better then the Hidden Fortress?
Wow. Ok. Good bye.

Don’t forget your ‘case’, and to also cancel your subscription to Disney+ yet again 😉

Smart arguments are fine, but there is no need for stupid advice from haters.
And you can pay Disney as much as you want, I don’t care, but I envy you, that you are not hindered by your brain, so you can enjoy crap.

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#1310078
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RogueLeader said:

Sifo Dyas said:

RogueLeader said:

It is still a child. I don’t think it translates
1:1 with human aging, but this species has a particularly long infancy-early childhood stage.

There might be something unique to the Yoda species regarding Force sensitivity, but it’s already been established in canon that Force-sensitive babies in general have a predisposition to using the Force, regardless of species. The idea being, I’m assuming, that babies and young children lack some of the qualities that adults have that can hold back their ability to use the Force (like doubt or disbelief). And it is possible that the time he spends in this young childhood stage plays a part in why he can lift a mudhorn vs a toy ball.

You say that Luke could not stop and levitate the Rancor because he did not believe he can do it? Despite that Yoda taught him the opposite?
And what about Anakin and Obi-wan? They could not stop the charging monsters either.
And if this babyYoda is so much stronger, then how come that no Jedi ever sensed it’s presence in the Force, nor did Palpatine who sensed a seemingly much weaker Luke.

I mean, Yoda tells Luke that “size matters not”, and the difference between lifting a rock and a ship was “only different in your mind”. So what is the difference between a ship and a rancor?

Yoda and Obi-wan are lying liars who lie. As the Mandalorians say “It is the way.”
And if you watch carefully you can see that size matters. Weight matters.
Yoda needs to concentrate hard to lift that X-wing. Do you think that it would take the same amount of effort to levitate a rock? Luke certainly does not, as he can levitate rocks and Artoo, but can barely raise the X-wing a bit.
And in another scene Yoda really struggles with that huge metal thing that Dooku throws at Obi-wan and Anakin.
So if it would be true that “size matters not”, these things would not happen.
The explanation here is that Yoda merely tries to motivate Luke, so he can believe in himself, which is very important for being able to do very difficult things.
Good coaches do this all the time.

To answer your question, the difference between a ship and a rancor in this regard is nothing. Luke can’t do neither.
The problem is that babyYoda can, which makes it one of the strongest Force user in the galaxy. Only one of the strongest, because I don’t know if Yoda or Palpi could stop and levitate a charging monster. Vader/Anakin could not.
And as I said, knowing the circumstances this is impossible.

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#1310073
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DominicCobb said:

Sifo Dyas said:

canofhumdingers said:

Yeah, we know. We’ve discussed it all already. Shogun Assassin is just a film compiled from parts of the first two Lone Wolf and Cub films, edited together for American theatrical release. Magnificent Seven is just “reused material” (to quote you) from Seven Samurai set in the American West rather than Feudal Japan.

Did you know Star Wars (1977) is just a bunch of standard hero and myth tropes jumbled together with a bit of fantasy, western, and samurai genres all blended together? Did you know Fistful of Dollars is just a spaghetti western remake of Yojimbo? Things reuse ideas from previous things. Omg! There’s a reason the word “tropes” exits…

The issue is, how well does THIS media execute those ideas? I thought episode 5 was possibly the weakest so far. I still liked it, but it definitely had some issues with the casting and maybe the directing imo. I still think episode 2 and 3 were the high point so far but this is still a very fun series! I’m sad we’ve got only, what, two more to go this season?

I didn’t know about this Yojimbo film, but I guess for a good reason.

If you reuse something you should make it better, as all of those pictures you mentioned here did.

What makes you think that’s true? If you’ve never, by your own admission, even heard of them? Because I assure you it is not.

I literally said I did not hear about Yojimbo.
It means I heard about all the others.
What the hell you smokin?
Own admission?
Can you even read properly?

You say the Magnificent seven is not better then the Seven Samurai?
That Star Wars is not better then the Hidden Fortress?
Wow. Ok. Good bye.

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#1309910
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RogueLeader said:

It is still a child. I don’t think it translates
1:1 with human aging, but this species has a particularly long infancy-early childhood stage.

There might be something unique to the Yoda species regarding Force sensitivity, but it’s already been established in canon that Force-sensitive babies in general have a predisposition to using the Force, regardless of species. The idea being, I’m assuming, that babies and young children lack some of the qualities that adults have that can hold back their ability to use the Force (like doubt or disbelief). And it is possible that the time he spends in this young childhood stage plays a part in why he can lift a mudhorn vs a toy ball.

You say that Luke could not stop and levitate the Rancor because he did not believe he can do it? Despite that Yoda taught him the opposite?
And what about Anakin and Obi-wan? They could not stop the charging monsters either.
And if this babyYoda is so much stronger, then how come that no Jedi ever sensed it’s presence in the Force, nor did Palpatine who sensed a seemingly much weaker Luke.

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#1309907
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canofhumdingers said:

Yeah, we know. We’ve discussed it all already. Shogun Assassin is just a film compiled from parts of the first two Lone Wolf and Cub films, edited together for American theatrical release. Magnificent Seven is just “reused material” (to quote you) from Seven Samurai set in the American West rather than Feudal Japan.

Did you know Star Wars (1977) is just a bunch of standard hero and myth tropes jumbled together with a bit of fantasy, western, and samurai genres all blended together? Did you know Fistful of Dollars is just a spaghetti western remake of Yojimbo? Things reuse ideas from previous things. Omg! There’s a reason the word “tropes” exits…

The issue is, how well does THIS media execute those ideas? I thought episode 5 was possibly the weakest so far. I still liked it, but it definitely had some issues with the casting and maybe the directing imo. I still think episode 2 and 3 were the high point so far but this is still a very fun series! I’m sad we’ve got only, what, two more to go this season?

I didn’t know about this Yojimbo film, but I guess for a good reason.

If you reuse something you should make it better, as all of those pictures you mentioned here did.
Not only copy paste, like The Madalorian. They used the base material and reshaped it to something far better, that you can not even recognize, only after careful examination. That is why they become well known pictures, just as Star Wars (aka A New Hope), and were selected for preservation by The National Film Registry.
The Mandalorian does nothing but copy paste the basics, and leaves out the substance that made the original great. And everyone knows what was copied.
It is more like an Asylum production, instead of a part of a great franchise.

And do you really want to watch the budget version of some great movie, that every one recognizes right away, instead of something so creative and so interesting that you don’t even realize that you’ve seen this before, told in another way?

The only entertaining element in The Mandalorian is that it is placed in the Star Wars universe that we love.
If you read the positive comments, all you can find that every one loves to see Tatooine, the Jawas, or the baby that looks like Yoda 750 years ago.
Nobody talks about how great the story is. But shouldn’t that be the main thing?

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#1309610
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The Mandalorian is just reused material of some western movies like the Magnificent Seven, and the main theme of just trying to escape the dangers with a child is from Shogun’s Assasin.
Shogun’s Assasin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxAPEyzcCtU

Disney Star Wars = copy + paste + change a bit for the worse + rename

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#1309609
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RogueLeader said:

So I think the tracking forb tech is an extension of the technology we’ve seen in the films that can detect life signs on ships or escape pods, except they are synchronized with the biosignature of an individual (I’m guessing with the use of DNA samples). I’ve seen people complain about it making bounty hunting too convenient, but I think you still have to at least be on the same planet as your target to be able to track them hotter-colder style. It’s a big galaxy, so laying low on a backwater world is probably a good idea unless you stir up some trouble or someone spots you in a cantina or something (which is probably how they were found in episode 4).

Sounds like you are trying to sew a jacket to the button.
Nevertheless, it makes no sense.
This a merely “mystery box” thing, that conveniently can move the plot forward.

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#1308201
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With The Mandalorian, Disney is killing it.
Literally. Killing Star Wars.
These people have no idea what they doing.

With half the season gone, it is obvious that this whole show has no story, and it is only about fan-service.

  1. Tatooine again, but now it is called Arvala or what.
    All Disney’s non-creative team does is copy-paste-rename?
    Really?

  2. This miraculously working tracking fob is ridiculous. This thing finds everything everywhere. A stupid plot convinience for non-creative people. If only Vader knew about this thing, he would have found the Rebel base in no time, so Tarkin could have blown it into a million pieces.
    Oh, and if this thing obviously can find anything, then how the EFF this Mandalorian thinks that it is safe to ignore it, and say that babyYoda is now safe somehow on the indian planet? WTF? Is this Mandalorian stupid?

  3. Disney’s clishé factory.
    The Jawas are native to Tatooine. But it seems like now the whole galaxy is full with desert planets, and suddenly the Jawas just migrating everywhere with their sandcrawlers to be the scavengers of the galaxy.
    Obviously that is all they can do.
    Carbon freeze? Really? Why? No good explanation, but make it a clishé fan-service, so people will be happy to see something familiar. Well it is stupid.

  4. Is this spagetti western? First it’s Clint Eastwood’s Django, and now the remake of The Magnificent “Two”?
    Really. How creative is this? Star Wars is a western now? Whats it gonna be the next episode? The good the bad and the Mandalorian?

  5. We were wrong!
    George Lucas was wrong!
    Everyone thought the strongest Force user was Anakin, as he was created by the Force.
    But NO!
    The strongest Force user is this baby!
    It can stop and levitate a charging giant rhino!
    Luke was not able to stop and levitate the Rancor, and neither was Obi-wan or Anakin able to stop those charging monsters in Attack of the Clones.
    But here it is something that is stronger then them.
    Disney’s babyYoda!
    And it is 50 years old for no good reason. Only for bad reasons.
    As it was alive while the Jedi were the guardians of the Galaxy, and were finding Force sensitive creatures all over the place. Somehow they could not find the strongest on the planet where Yoda was from.
    Hey, maybe the Jedi were blind. But Palpatine was able to sense Luke, while he wasn’t strong at all, yet did not sense this thing who is proven to be much stronger? Yeah, right.
    For no good reason non of them knew about this thing, who is stronger with the Force then Luke, Obi-wan and Anakin was?
    WTF?

Star Wars I-VI was about Anakin restoring the balance to the Force by destroying both the Jedi and the Sith.
Now Disney’s non-creative team decided it wasn’t.
Not enough that Disney erased the Expanded Universe, now they erased Star Wars I-VI with this babyYoda.
Good job Disney.

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#1307114
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Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD !!!MKV and AVCHD v2.0 NOW AVAILABLE!!!
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ams12 said:

I’ve gotten “Extraction error” on both the MKV and AVCHD versions of ESB. I downloaded them on JDownloader and even tried extracting using a different RAR expander. Still nothing. All files are the same size except the last one. Any ideas?

Thanks!

Same here. Just downloaded the MKV version. Won’t extract with WinRAR. I get the error message.
“archive is unknown format or damaged”
I found solution:
Download 7z1900-x64.exe
https://www.7-zip.org/download.html
Install
Right click on first RAR file
Select 7-Zip
Extract
Enter password
Enjoy

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#1301924
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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exitzero said:

BedeHistory731 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Sifo Dyas said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I’ve been experimenting with trimming “I must obey my master!” while also incorporating Sir Ridley’s “Your mother once thought as you do” (albeit slowed-down). What prevented me from deleting “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side” was both Vader’s turn and making sure that Luke’s follow-up line made sense. The edit is a bit rough, but I’m sure Ady can do better working in the 5.1 mix.

Here it is.

The “I must obey my master!” line you deleted is very important. It tells the audience Vader’s relation to the Emperor, as it tells a lot about the Sith master-apprentice relationship.
Deleting it is a huge mistake.

Strong disagree on this one.

Indeed. Why would Vader be planning to overthrow the Emperor in the previous movie?

Vader lacks the courage to attempt to overthrow the Emperor on his own. He’s stuck being his lackey since Luke refused to join him.

Yes, Vader has the drive to overthrow the Emperor, as every Sith apprentice does, but Vader is convinced that he can’t do it alone, so if Luke does not join him, he must obey his master, if he wants to stay alive, because that is the Sith way.
The other important thing is that with this line Vader passed the burden of the choice to Luke, that Luke has to make right here.

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#1301826
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BedeHistory731 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

We have theatrical DTS audio for all six pre-Disney movies (1997 SEs and all three prequels).

Unpopular suggestion: can Ady cut the crying rancor keeper? I’ve hated it since I first watched the film and its removal would help reduce the bloat of the Jabba section.

Agree.

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#1301825
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Watching this “your mother” scene several times lately and noticed something that hadn’t dawned on me before:

Vader: conduct your search and bring his companions to me

Then no search is ever shown. It doesn’t affect the plot. Just a throw away line that doesn’t matter. Shame.

There is no need to show the search, we know it’s happening, and it would just slow down the movie.
And it is not a throw away line. It gives the audience information that Vader is not effected by Luke’s presence, he is still cold and calculating, and we need to see Luke reaction as he realizes that.

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#1301821
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BedeHistory731 said:

I’ve been experimenting with trimming “I must obey my master!” while also incorporating Sir Ridley’s “Your mother once thought as you do” (albeit slowed-down). What prevented me from deleting “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side” was both Vader’s turn and making sure that Luke’s follow-up line made sense. The edit is a bit rough, but I’m sure Ady can do better working in the 5.1 mix.

Here it is.

The “I must obey my master!” line you deleted is very important. It tells the audience Vader’s relation to the Emperor, as it tells a lot about the Sith master-apprentice relationship.
Deleting it is a huge mistake.

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#1292177
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NeverarGreat said:

I think it’s safe to assume that any planet not in the Hoth ‘solar system’ would take years to reach on sublight engines

RoccondilRinon said:

I think the official explanation is that the Falcon (and most ships) had a backup hyperdrive, designed only to get you (slowly) to an inhabited system for repairs.

My preferred explanation is that it’s a fairly dense area of space, such that systems are closer together than in our region, and that it still probably took several months to get to Bespin. This, of course, aligns with Luke needing more than a few days’ training with Yoda.

Well I don’t know how a hyperdrive is slow, but a hyperdrive is a hyperdrive.
And if Han has it, he would use it, in a situation like that.
He didn’t even try.
The only explanation for that, that there was no backup hyperdrive. Or he is stupid, but I would dismiss that probability.
Therefore he only had sublight engines.

Which made me do the math, and it turned out that it is possible to get to Bespin from the Hoth sytem in a couple of months, using only sublight engines.
I tried to calculate the least possible distance between 2 neighboring solar systems, based on our universe.
I was thinking about possible max. speed, to calculate time needed to cover that distance, but actually it is the fuel that limits max. speed, as you can accelerate in space until you reach lightspeed.
Also a reasonable accelaration rate is needed, that makes dogfight still possible.
I calculated that they can accelerate to 5 million km/h in 38 hours at max acceleration.
Yeah, that is a lot of fuel, but with no info about it, we don’t know how much fuel they burn. Since max speed depends on fuel, which can not be calculated, therefore 5 million km/h is an educated guesstimate, but is needed to create something to calculate with.

The outer limit of the Cuiper belt, which is considered the edge of our Solar system, is 50 AU from the sun.
This distance would be a bit more than 62 days with the calculated max, speed. Still there is acceleration and deceleration, but it is around 2 months.

Our sun is not the smallest possible yellow star, so for size of solar system calculation, it needs to be taken into account, that the size of the sun of the Hoth and Bespin system, that is still a yellow star, can be smaller.
Based on data, I think 40 AU system edge is reasonable, but of course suns could be even closer, but it is good enough for rough estimation.
So a 40 AU trip with 5 million km/h would take about 50 days. Double that and we have a 100 day trip between Hoth and Bespin.

I checked the Falcon, and it has everything to accomodate a long journey like this.
And it gives Luke enough time to train on Dagobah.

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#1290443
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Buzz Lightyear said:

Sifo Dyas said:

How long does this takes?
Couple of days, a week maybe, depending on travel distance

So basically nothing here suggests that months need to pass, yet alone a year or more.

Yoda right before Luke fights Vader: Luke! You must complete the training[…]Only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor.

Yoda a few days later, after Luke gets his ass handed to him by Vader: No more training do you require. Already know you that which you need[…]One thing remains. Vader. You must…confront…Vader.

Sorry dude, but that makes no sense. Either Luke spent some time training on his own while he was busy working with the rebellion, making plans to free Han, and coping with the world-shattering revelation that his dad is Space Hitler…or Yoda has a bad case of Alzheimer’s.

Sorry dude, but what you say makes no sense at all.
If Luke had time to train, he would have gone back to Yoda. He did not.
Making plans? Really? This plan takes 5 minutes of thinking. Not months.
Busy? Really? With what? The most important thing for Luke was to learn to become a Jedi, and free Han.

Yoda was right that only a fully trained Jedi can defeat Vader. And Luke failed as expected.
But he learned a lot from his duel against Vader. He learned what he needed to defeat Vader.
So he was now ready.

We all know that Luke was not ready for the Emperor.
No one in his right mind can think that anyone can prepare against this kind of power on his own, when not even a fully trained Jedi knight. Even Jedi masters failed. And you think Yoda didn’t know that?
Yoda knew that the father-son factor could incline events in their favor.
This was their last hope.
So Yoda was merely trying to build up Luke’s confidence, and as we all know, the Jedi are pragmatic, so they are lying liars if that suits their agenda.

People need to except the fact, that many times, what the Jedi say is not the truth.

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#1275834
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ray_afraid said:

For Lando to create a character, gain trust in Jabba’s crew and become “one of the boys” had to take same time. We’re talking about the galaxy’s greatest gansta’ leading the galaxy’s greatest gang. You don’t just walk into that place, buy the room a drink and get accepted.

But you do. See above.

ray_afraid said:
Luke has clearly advanced in skills. There’s certainly some time tied up there.

Not really. See above.

ray_afraid said:
The entire Rebellion has evaded the Empire, regrouped and found a temporary place to hide while also fining out about the new Death Star, examining the layout and finding a way to destroy it.

Just that group evaded the Empire, the others were elsewhere. But that is beside the point here.

There is no need to look for another place, since the normal method is to scout many places, so they had to have multiple options before decided to choose Hoth.
They merely need to relocate to the backup place, or next in line place.

Nobody knows when the bothans got the information, so it is possible that the Alliance leaders were already aware of the location of this second Death Star, and they were already analyzing and planning.

So actually nothing you said suggest that a great amount of time has to pass between the events at the end of the TESB and the beginning of ROTJ.

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#1275833
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Valheru_84 said:

In ROTJ Luke:

  • has had time to construct a new lightsaber (not likely an easy or quick task, especially considering there’s no one around to teach him).

He could have learned that on Dagobah. Actually that would be the most logical explanation.

Valheru_84 said:

  • has learned far greater control of the force now and new abilities, one which he would have had to figure out on his own as Mala pointed out. He uses these effortlessly, including when he whips his lightsaber up into his hand from the Emperors chair.

He did that already in TESB when he fought Vader.

Valheru_84 said:

  • has far greater control over his lightsaber, so much so that combined with his new focus with the force that he can consistently while under pressure deflect/reflect laser fire now.

He learned that on Dagobah when he trained against 4 or 5 of those training droids.

Valheru_84 said:

  • comes across from the get go as a changed person, one that is now calm, focused and confident in his control of each situation. He has matured and wisened in many ways, people clearly look to him for leadership now where before that was Han and Luke was the whiney young guy.

He is changed.
And it can be explained easily with what happened on Dagobah and on Bespin. That would change everybody.

Valheru_84 said:

… is it even known to any of the rebel characters where Han has been taken? I can’t recall a time in TESB where any of them would learn about this, so on top of the rebel forces needing to regroup and get themselves in order again after the evacuation from Hoth, the gang also had to try and find out which system, planet and group had Han after probably initially presuming the Empire to have him.

They know that Jabba has Han. Vader told that to Lando.
Finding where Jabba is, ain’t that difficult. I just looked up an earlier poster here:

“hire someone to negotiate my deal with Jabba, probably an old acquaintance, who can be trusted with this for the right amount of money, and merely provide escort as a ‘mercenary bodyguard’.
Contact Jabba’s nearest ‘representative’ and present an offer with one condition, that I only make deals with Jabba himself.
Make the offer irrefusable, success is guaranteed. You can always count on greed.
Now I have Jabba’s location, and free pass, and don’t have to travel around the galaxy planet to planet and infiltrate and etc…
When deal is completed, ask Jabba for a job. With good credentials Im in.
Call Luke.
How long does this takes?
Couple of days, a week maybe, depending on travel distance”

So basically nothing here suggests that months need to pass, yet alone a year or more.

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#1275831
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MalàStrana said:

Sifo Dyas said:

Luke did not train between movies, because he would have been back on Dagobah, but he wasn’t.

He doesn’t train with Yoda, it doesn’t mean he didn’t train at all. Pretty sure Yoda’s training wasn’t about choking people or using mind tricks 😉

(has he found that in the jedi books we later see in TLJ ? Or a Sith holocron he got somewhere ? Who knows…)

Why wouldn’t he go back to Yoda, and train on his own for a year or more instead? Makes no sense.

Pretty sure? Why?
And even if Yoda doesn’t teach the mind trick, than maybe Obi-wan? He used it several times.
Pretty sure that it is much more difficult to learn anything on your own, than with help.

There is no idication that choking people is some special skill, that Jedi can’t learn, or it is forbidden to learn, more like just something the Jedi don’t use.

He has time to look for holocrons and whatnot, or going on adventures that he has actually a chance to stumble into one, but has no time to fly back to Dagobah, when the most important thing to do is free Han and learn to become a Jedi?
Makes no sense.

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#1270960
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ray_afraid said:

Molly said:

Huh, I always thought RotJ happened immediately (or within a few days) after ESB…

Lando has had time to infiltrate Jabba’s joint, gain trust and become “one of the guys”.
Luke has gone from disgraced student to damn-near master.
These things take some time.
I’ve always figured on a couple years between OT films.
Between SW & ESB the Rebellion has had time to pack up and move to a frozen planet where they set up a massive, militarized, underground base. That had to have taken a year or more.
I’d say 2/3 years between each film is fitting.

Between SW & ESB 3 years is acceptable, because there is nothing to suggest anything otherwise.
But between ESB and ROTJ there is.
Even in Jabba’s palace, a fully trained damn-near Jedi master could just do whatever he wants.
Luke was no damn-near master or even close. Not even a fully trained Jedi knight.
Luke did not train between movies, because he would have been back on Dagobah, but he wasn’t.
Surely he did learn a lot from the first fight, that can not be learned with training, and that could’ve been enough to beat Vader. And he wasn’t scared of him anymore, since he was convinced that Vader has no intention to destroy him.

I read somewhere here a perfect explanation how Lando can infiltrate and gain trust in a couple of weeks.
You say 2/3 years of Luke doing nothing but leaving his friend hanging on a wall is fitting?
I wouldn’t think so.
More like 2/3 months tops.

And I wouldn’t think it is relevant what G.L. said prior to the movie, or what some illogical “canon” says.
I remember there was a time when Flat Earth was “canon”. It is not anymore.