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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Johny, do you do all those steps to each frame? That would take forever.
Johny, do you do all those steps to each frame? That would take forever.
Heh. Welcome to the wonderful world of rotoscoping. I've never seen it reverse-engineered like that, but that looks good.
If it's of any assistance, there's two tutorials on how to do this at
this address.
The author of these two tutorials, Ryan Wieber, went on to work for Lucasfilm and rotoscoped some, if not many, of the lightsabers for the Episode III video game. There's truth to this; I've stooged around on theforce.net for a number of years, and Wieber can be seen in one of the pre-production videos for the game when he and the rest of the team got the chance to watch Nick Gillard and Hayden Christensen in action so they had a better idea of how their different characters "move". Most of the saber rotoscoping you'll see in later fan films use his method, so it seems to work...
(And no, I am not Ryan Wieber, nor any individual connected with him.)
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- #294384
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- The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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I've heard rumours that Robert Towne, the writer of "Chinatown", was brought in to script some of the scenes between Anakin and Palpatine, and if that's right, it shows here. Out of all the scenes in the movie -- if not all three PT movies -- that one holds me most. Ironic that in a movie busting with CGI madness, duels up the wazoo, and Ralph McQuarrie paintings, the one scene with greatest impact is just two guys doing nothing but sitting down and talking philosophy. It says a lot for Ian McDiarmid, who basically has to deliver backstory exposition the whole way through that scene, and yet does it with such wistfulness and menace it actually compels you to watch. And it also comes from that low, evil tone that forms the soundtrack -- that tone is part of the opera, of course, but it unsettles you in the same way that ambient sound in the Bespin carbon chamber did during ESB. I know it's got the friggin' midichlorians in it, but please, guys, I beg you not to razor it more than you absolutely have to. It's one of the few scenes worth anything in the whole PT.
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*Goes to watch the train wreck again*
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I just had a thought regarding the Obi-Wan Force push problem: slap a closeup of Palpatine in there like darkhelmet's done, but throw in some saber noises and clashes over the closeup. That might trick the viewer into believing that the three are actually engaged in combat off screen, and let it more readily accept that the Force push comes after a short part of the fight that we as the audience have missed...?
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But Lucasfilm couldn't afford the publicity: George Lucas, corpulent and successful filmmaker, steals fanboy's ideas for his own? He'd be a laughingstock professionally and in the public's eye. Plus it might bring on a reaction from various entertainment industry guilds against him...
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- #294099
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Maybe they should contact an executioner for whoever was responsible for continuity on that sequence. The problems we're identifying come down primarily to continuity in my view - from Dooku using the wrong hand, to Dooku's original line being too short for him to cross the floor in the time he had, to Anakin being out of shot. The problem, I think, was trying to do the whole thing on digital film and put it all together while they were there on set. Too many pretty colours makes Continuity Man go space cadet.
I will also bring up one thing that really is pretty much unfixable no matter what anyone does, and that's Obi-Wan's effortless (no, I mean anti-suspension-of-disbelief effortless, not Jedi effortless) deflection of blaster bolts as he's running up the stairs. I mean, his saber doesn't even move to deflect bolts coming from different angles! And it's not like even that cut is smooth either, because Obi-Wan is obviously a Spacing Guild Navigator -- he travels a good ten to fifteen feet of space without moving! And you can't cut the bloody thing out, either, because the damn droids are in the initial shot with Dooku! Grrrrr....
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- #294076
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) The very bare bones way it's done is like this -- this is not a full account of how. You basically paint a white bar onto each frame of the shot where you want the saber to go. Using some fancy effects (and After Effects or Premiere seem to have all the tools required to do it) you then create the "outer glow" of the saber and apply it to the white bars you've painted all over your frames.) Hey presto, lightsaber.
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- #293998
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You're thinking of doing something like an explosion to rattle the ship seriously and then drop the balcony on Obi-Wan, aren't you?
(2) Since I am hoping not to show Palpatine turning around in his chair, this might prove annoying as I would need to use After Effects to remove Anakin and Obi-wan in order to use Palpatine's wide shot for scene establishment.
Ah. I missed that. Nvrmnd then...
(4) I see your point about Palpatine. "[W]here Anakin is when Dooku's doing the Force push?" LOL Same question I had in the original cut of the movie. Anyway I've looked at it, Anakin should somehow be in the shot, but he's not. Someone suggested a shadow of him from off-screen? What do you think?
I'd suggested having his silhouette somehow blocking part of the shot for a brief second, moving right to left, but the logistics might be beyond anything but WETA
Another possibility I thought of might be to roto a moving blue saber blade in over part of the frame for a brief second just to give the impression that he's there just off-camera. If it's timed right I think it could work... and I'd reiterate my comment in another thread that Obi-Wan's landing on the floor IMHHO should be shortened at the beginning, because it feels a beat too long and makes the audience think Anakin's just waiting for his cue to attack Dooku instead of hammering straight at him...(5) "My impression on viewing Dooku's execution is that Anakin was in cahoots with Palpatine" I can see that, too. I was trying to indicate that Anakin is somehow motivated by Palpatine to kill without the horrid dialogue, whether it was Anakin's own emotional attachment to Palpatine or Palpatine worming his way into Anakin's mind. But audience impression is more important than intent. In light of that, I think GM's "heat-of-the-moment" execution may be best.
It was just my initial impression ... it does work on repeated viewings, but I hope I was coming to it with a fresh head when I first viewed it...
And lastly: I think you've actually got the choice of "Surrender, friends"or "Surrender, gentlemen." Because the 'friends' line also comes from that meeting in Ep 2: "Our friends from the Trade Federation have pledged their support."
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- #293980
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It would be somewhat true for him to say that, because Dooku was part of the Jedi order, and even though he is no longer with them he still views them as colleagues. He just thinks they are on the wrong side and have lost there way. He isn't an outright Jedi killing Sith, and he wants to correct the problems of the Jedi so he kills the ones he has to, the ones who would not reason with logic. He never once killed a Jedi out of anger or rage. If he didn't have to and could save one he did. The ones he did kill he killed, because he cared for the Jedi order and couldn't get them to see the problems of the order and how to fix them.This is why Dooku is so tragic. He still respects the Jedi Order and the Jedi, and wants to see it done right by so for him to call them "friends" is kind of touching.
At the risk of being over-the-top, I think this is exactly what Dooku wanted the Jedi to believe about him, not what he really was. He reveals himself when he says the line "I've been looking forward to this." Not very Jedi, or friendly towards former Jedi companions, I thought, to relish a lethal duel where somebody's got a good chance of getting a hot bar of plasma through their gut. Dooku was a Sith, and the Sith always have two metaphorical faces: the public one, and the real one. See Palpatine/Darth Sidious for details, and indeed the fact of Dooku's dual identity as Darth Tyranus. Yoda says Dooku's ways are now "Lies, hatred, greedy mistrust", and at the end of Ep 2 he was about to cold-bloodedly execute Obi-Wan, down and defenceless, until Anakin intervened.
Dooku doesn't strike me as a tragic figure -- deceived, yes; seduced by the Dark Side, yes; but willingly taking that course because of his own cult of personality. The way Matthew Stover 'writes' Dooku in the novelisation of Ep 3 (EU though it is) to me gets the character perfectly: Dooku is the archetypical sociopath. He believes other people aren't quite real, and can only class an individual as either an asset to him or a liability to his goals. He is an example of Jedi detachment taken to a cruel extreme: a detachment so profound it leads to disregard for human life at all. His pride and overdemanding standards have metastasised into a condition so easily seduced by the Dark Side that even decades of training as a Jedi Master couldn't prevent it.
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- #293739
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Just a brief remark on the 'end duels' -- aside from saying they work really, really well even at a rough cut stage, there's one note that struck me. I realise the reasons it was done, and you've got Obi-Wan's remark that "I will do what I must" to justify it, but Obi taking out Anakin's legs when Anakin was trying to save his own life is actually on a bar for sheer low-blow value as leaving the poor bugger to burn was. I mean, wow, that takes the phrase "attack of opportunity" to a whole new level.
On the other hand, thinking about it, I actually like it. Obi-Wan's not portrayed as a complete goody-two-shoes through the movies anyway; after all, he does wind up terminating a lot of sentient beings. It just had a big impact, that's all.
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- #293733
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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)As for the New Voice: I was only able to listen to the YouTube versions, so I'm missing the rework that's been done, but they sound good to me. With greatest, greatest respect I'd enunciate a little more clearly and pull back the volume just a tad, but otherwise I *like* the sound of these things. I look forward to the more completed version!
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- #293723
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Dealing with each version of the duel:
Version A:
(1) You've got the problem of how Obi-Wan winds up underneath the balcony, since Dooku doesn't cause it to fall in this version. A bit of a continuity difficulty, I would've thought.
(2) As Anakin and Obi-Wan enter, the choice of the 'chair shot' followed by the slightly-distressed closeup is nice, but it's a little disorienting to me IMHHO because the establishing long shot of the deck comes after the closeup. That's a reversal of the traditional way of establishing a scene. I think it flows smoother with the establishment of the overall space first like this: Chair shot. Establishing shot. As Anakin and Obi-Wan start moving, put in Palpatine's distressed closeup, since it then looks like he's reacting to the two Jedi's movement at the top of the balcony.
(3) Regarding the problem of the jar between Dooku's ignition and his words: it's because in the wider shot he's not moving but is moving in the closer shot. But this can be fixed: cut a few more frames off the closer shot so he isn't moving as much, and it should run a little smoother.
(4) Hm. That's an alternative way to get around that Obi-Wan Force push problem, but I personally think the shot lingers on Palpatine a bit too long: as an audience member I can see myself asking "Why does 'Twice the pride, double the fall' have some significance for Palpatine?" I also wonder, as an audience member, where Anakin is when Dooku's doing the Force push.
(5) My impression on viewing Dooku's execution is that Anakin was in cahoots with Palpatine -- that they had some sort of agreement that he'd kill Dooku if it came to that. I love the way it's cut, but that's the impression I got from it -- that Anakin was basically just following Palpatine's orders given at some earlier date.
(6) I would've said slightly less delay on the line "You wanted revenge" -- it's (I think) one beat too slow.
(7) The concluding conversation now works extremely well. Great stuff.
Version B:
(1) Similar concerns to 1-4 and 6-7 above.
(2) I think Version A works better for Dooku's execution. Anakin's remorse comes a bit too suddenly for it to be realistic (in my mind), and Version A just seems to flow better.
...Just some thoughts.
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- #293670
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- My Episode III Re-Edit (v 2007) (Completed)
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Works for me. Any disorientation from the lack of the full jump being there is compensated for by the lack of a pointless backflip.
I did notice something about the fight... there is just something all around odd about it. It's placement is odd... it's tone is strange... it's on-again-off-again fighting style is REALLY weird...
It may feel off because of the extensive use of doubles for Christopher Lee; the movement you get out of him isn't consistent across the fight. Gods bless him, he brings the right gravitas to the role, but at eighty or so they really had no choice but to do what they did. Even now the limber moves of his double don't ever completely match with his stiff, careful movement, but I'd rather have him in than out.
Also, to heighten the sense of Anakin's Anger, I placed a couple yells into the fight. two after Dooku says "You have hate, you have anger. But you don't use them." one is a long roar, and the second comes right after it giving it a nice "Raaaa-AH!" sound... as if dooku's lines might have done something...made him tap into the anger....
And it works, I might say.
Also, when he actually severs Dooku's head, I added another yell.
As does that.
Also, I removed that shot I wasn't happy with right after Palpatines line "It is only natural." Instead, I placed a shot of anakin, and moved the next shot forward. I split the next shot in half. The first half you simply hear under the new angle, and the second half you see and hear.
Yeah, that twigged, and works.
Anyways let me know what you all think. With or without music? With or without the moans? I also inserted a shot of Palpatine before Dooku force pushes Obi-Wan just to offset it slightly. Does it work? Any ideas with that?
I think possibly without at the start of the fight. Or maybe use that ambient background sound from Empire Strikes Back which they reused for Attack of the Clones. That noise was heard when Luke was in the carbon chamber on Bespin, and when Obi-Wan was looking down and listening to the Confederacy's little meeting from above. It almost doesn't register, but you get the same tense feeling from the AOTC scene as you do from Bespin.
As for the insertion of the closeup of Palpatine: yeah, that just about gets you there, I think. I've got another suggestion for a Palpatine closeup further down, but this is a good way to get around that continuity problem -- the audience doesn't have time to register where Anakin is because there's a sufficient break in the line of action so the eye doesn't have to follow it. One suggestion: I would've cut a little bit more off the start of Obi-Wan hitting the floor. In its present form I think that sequence of shots still suffers from the viewer saying to himself "Hey, Anakin's still waiting for the camera to get back to him and Dooku before he takes his next strike." The audience already knows Obi-Wan's flying through the air -- I don't think it would need to be given the full glory of the end of his flight. And it also raises plausibility levels a bit -- you can more comfortably accept the next strike coming without a pause. I don't know, give it a try and see...
I'm also wondering about cuting the line "I sense great fear in you Skywalker." I'm thinking of maybe just having it jump to him saying "You have hate...anger... but you don't use them." I think it will be more powerful that way.
I think that's more personal choice. I think frankly it exposes plainly the source of Anakin's weakness: the fear he has of the ones he loves dying. That's what he's been trying to stop for three movies. I would've left it in. Also, you might have problems losing the "you have" out of the "You have anger" bit, because Dooku's lips are visibly moving (if that's what you were trying to do...)
One other suggestion if I may on this otherwise excellent recut. The duplication of shots iof Palpatine in his chair -- the latter one, perhaps, could be substituted for a closeup of Palpatine, or a different one of him in his chair? To my untutored eye I don't think you quite get away with that same shot so soon after the last one...of course, maybe there's not enough to work with ...
6) I've played with Yoda Meditating to make it a conversation with Qui-Gon.
That'd be interesting. Someone else suggested doing 'flashes' of the future films, as a way of breaking up the available shots, and I like that ... even to the point of putting Yoda's visions in the same sort of thing as Anakin's own...
7) I'm creating a shot of the arrival of the Tantive IV to Tatooine dropping off Obi-Wan, and the removal of any mention of Leia.
The Tantive IV's arrival sounds good!
EDIT: Just realised I missed three other things.
(1) This one there probably isn't anything that can be done about short of flipping the entire film, but there's another bug that I couldn't put my finger on -- it's a continuity issue with Obi-Wan getting the walkway dropped on him. Dooku's using the wrong hand. That hand he's using the Force with has his lightsaber in it for the rest of the sequences. I can just about see the looks on Lucasfilm's faces when they saw that one: "Oh. Crap. He's using the wrong hand and we can't flip the shot because Dooku'll be facing the wrong way to the audience. Now what? Reshoot?" "Nah, leave it in. Nobody's gonna notice that."
(2) I might've mentioned this, but please, please, please consider taking out Artoo's flamethrower trick. Please. I hate it, Artoo doesn't use it anywhere else in the OT, and it doesn't make sense for two droids able to withstand short blaster fire to be taken out by a campfire.
(3) Thought about speeding up Anakin and Palpatine's conversation over Obi-Wan? It might sound more like an argument that way?
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- #293567
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The only problem I could see is that cut at 1:16-1:17 from Obi-Wan's thrust to Dooku's Force-push. It doesn't quite work because the eye is expecting Anakin to be in the frame from that angle (he's to Obi-Wan's right when Obi goes for the thrust, and doesn't really back out of frame.) I don't know if you could get away with some kind of silhouette rapidly moving back from middle of field to left of field, revealing the Force-push, but it's a bugger of a thing to fix...
GoodMusician: I won't go point-for-point and rehash what's already said above. This is a really, really nice piece of work. I say that because I don't want to seem like I'm doing nothing but criticising -- this cut does work a hell of a lot better than the original. So dealing with my nitpicky stuff...
(1) "Your swords please." Always annoyed me right from the word go, since they don't actually have big shiny bits of metal (well, not the parts that're meant to hit people, anyway.) And Dooku has referred to lightsabers by their correct names in the past -- on camera, during Ep 2. Think it might be possible to steal the word "saber" from that and sub it in for "sword"?
(2) Not sure if there's much that can be done about this, but it's the same issue as with CommanderCourage's edit -- the cut between Obi's thrust and Dooku's Force-push. And on fullscreen another problem emerges. In the shot before the cut Obi-Wan's still moving towards Dooku. In the shot after he's not; he's standing still. The eye notices it even if the mind hasn't got time to register it. Maybe Obi's stillness can be solved by the ' silhouette' of Anakin in the shot, I don't know...
(3) The shot right after Dooku's hands come off (IMHHHO) needs Dooku's reaction back in it, if only for a few frames as he starts to drop. There isn't quite enough time for Dooku to go from standing to kneeling for Anakin to do what he does in this edit, to my eye. If Dooku has a brief second or two's reaction, Anakin's got time to pick up and cross the sabers. But otherwise I really like the ' no thinking' way that Anakin ends the duel -- it's in keeping with Qui-Gon's old advice " Feel, don't think," and is much more evocative of an Anakin who got carried away in the heat of the moment.
(4) Pity about no lip movement when Palpatine's laughing. Rotoscope it, maybe, or 'jiggle' the head a little?
Again, other than those things, it works really well. I also noticed a certain 'quickness' to the way Palpatine says "It is only natural", but I think it might be coming from the mismatch in the "background hum" of the shots before and after that line, not necessarily because it's too quick a line...?
Just quickly on the leadup to it, though ... I think honestly there's enough room to eliminate the "Artoo does flamethrower" thing, even if it takes removing the entirety of the elevator-stop sequence. Or at least take out the part where Artoo's actually discovered, if possible?
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- #293529
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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...Seriously, I don't know if this has already been covered or resolved, but it's about the elimination of the Yoda + Younglings scene ... or specifically, the "Mathter? Becauth thomeone erathed it from the archive memory" aspect of it. I had a thought on this. The scene is indeed a charming little one, and I think a cool one in that you've got Obi-Wan wandering around the galaxy on foot in a "Star Map" that works rather nicely. The problem, of course, is the jarring aspect of a four-year-old out-thinking one of the smartest Jedi Knights in the Order. (Of course, that probably explains how the Jedi got wiped out, but I digress...).
Maybe 90% of the scene doesn't have to be cut. Consider:
(1) Obi-Wan comes to Yoda for assistance, not the kids.
(2) It's only Yoda who turns Obi-Wan's problem a schoolyard lesson (and, incidentally, embarrassing the hell out of Obi-Wan at the same time).
So maybe it can be razored like this:
(1) Scene proceeds as normal up to --
YODA: How can I help, Obi-Wan?
OBI-WAN: I'm searching for a planet, but it's not in the archives, blah, blah, blah.
(2) You then cut out Yoda's aside to the kids that Obi-Wan's lost a planet, how embarrassing. Instead, go straight to "Liam, the shades", and mute the part of Yoda's line at "Clearrr your minds." This leaves in the fact of the map reader's existence, eliminates the idea that the class is being asked to consider the question from the start, and explains the younglings' movements to surround Yoda.
(3) Scene then proceeds as in the original up to the part where Obi-Wan says "Gravity is pulling all the stars in the area to this spot." You then loop in "Dangerous and disturbing this puzzle is" from Yoda offscreen, and cut to a shot of Yoda saying "Go to the centre of gravity's pull, and find your wayward planet you will." It isn't a perfect idea, but to my mind it establishes Yoda as much more decisive and with an immediate answer for Obi-Wan. And you get rid of the youngling question, response, and Yoda's silly line about how wonderful the mind of a child is.
(4) Finally, you continue the scene as earlier, but to avoid the repeated "Dangerous and disturbing this puzzle is", you cut straight from Obi-Wan's assertion that it's impossible to eliminate files from the archives to Yoda's line that only a Jedi could have erased those files, and that he'll meditate on it. It hopefully makes the scene more sinister and foreboding ... maybe even sets up for a payoff in Episode III if done right ... ?
Just an idea.
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- #293523
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- Idea: Can "Lost" be improved?
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Originally posted by: FanFiltration
I've played around with an edit of the first season, but gave up on the project. To me, I think "LOST" is best as is.
I've played around with an edit of the first season, but gave up on the project. To me, I think "LOST" is best as is.
There's no dispute 'Lost' certainly is good episodic fiction, and there certainly is an argument to say that it doesn't work as well without the flashbacks.
On the other hand, the plot progression is appallingly slow, even taking into account the format. There are episodes in there where, if you cut the backstory, you'd wind up with about 15-20 minutes of footage that actually talks about what's happening on the island. You could make a "Lost: Survivor's Experience" with all the backstories cut to make it feel much more like you're actually on the island -- obviously there's a lot less explanation for why characters are doing things, but it might well increase the mystery of the show, and it'd certainly give a greater impression that you don't know everything there is to know about these characters. (Okay, maybe that's an extreme.)
I'd argue that large portions of the backstories were done in a 'slow reveal' similar to the slow plot progression of the show overall; it'd take you the whole show to find out, for example, that Locke was in a wheelchair before he came to the island. Personally, in an edited/'miniseries' version of the show, I would've thought much of this could be cut -- you could even get away with one flashback instead of the three or four to illustrate the major point. Admittedly, there might be some backstories worth preserving ...
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- #293476
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- Idea: Can "Lost" be improved?
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Greetings, all … I’m new to these boards, though I’ve lurked for quite a while.
This isn’t a request or anything like that – just a more a thought that occurred to me while watching the season 3 finale of " Lost". So here it is: can people see any possibilities in cutting the TV series ’ Lost’ so you eliminate most, if not all, of the flashbacks, and still retain a viable show? The “breadcrumbs” approach to plot development on the damn show is really starting to burn me, and I’m wondering if with all the crap you could cut from the show whether you’d wind up with about twelve to fourteen episodes of solid on-island action?
If so, whose plotlines do you leave in? Who do you eliminate?
Thoughts, class?