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#1288963
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ATMachine said:

Fine. I guess I’m just supposed to shut up and mindlessly expect the film to be manna from heaven.

Why do I care about Star Wars again?

Nah man relax. Didn’t mean to dissuade conversation that’s my bad. It’s ok speak your mind that’s what it’s about here.

Just want people to be fair. Your sentiment is reasonable I just don’t think its good to assume too much. Especially when it’s this early in the game. Just my opinion though the majority would agree with you that’s why I’m kind of defending my point.

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#1288945
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ATMachine said:

I do think it’s fair. Episode IX has an evident lack of Snoke and a sudden appearance of Palpatine. It’s hardly rocket science to connect the two.

Mindlessly hating on a film isn’t the same as articulating genuine issues in its storytelling. Movies shouldn’t be above criticism. Even if most of the online chatter these days is feverish and overzealous, there still ought to be room for reasoned analysis.

Like I said. You’re conclusion about JJ’s creative decision is an assumption. And I’m curious on how you make a reasoned analysis on a film that hasn’t come out yet and is shrouded in secrecy.
Obviously it shouldn’t be above criticism but my point is maybe you think you know more than you actually do, and the film deserves a fair chance at this stage.

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#1288943
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ATMachine said:

Now JJ is back, and is scrambling to do something with Palpatine because he can’t use Snoke anymore. This back-and-forth is leading to successive films where the narrative elements are working against each other, rather than helping each other tell a grander saga.

I don’t think that’s fair. It’s really pretentious to say JJ is “scrambling” to use Palpatine. You literally have zero idea on how he will be used narratively. And you’re just assuming JJ needs to replace Snoke because Rian killed him off. That way of thinking is why fans will hate 9 regardless of quality.

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#1288865
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Shopping Maul said:

In this instance there’s no story. Abrams planted his ‘mystery boxes’ for the sheer heck of it and then left Rian to do whatever the hell he wanted (which he clearly did). By his own admission JJ went into episode 9 thinking “well, I’d better come up with a story…”

I’m not saying it won’t work - I’m really hoping it will - but the fact that these people didn’t think to at least write some kind of overall plot absolutely baffles me…

If you’d done your homework you would know that there has been a story/overarching plot that has been planned. However they have given each film the chance to change things for the sake of creative freedom. This is common knowledge idk where you get your facts. Look up interviews with Adam Driver and “Antichrist” Kennedy.

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#1288675
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

DrDre thank you for being civilized with your opinions as usual. It makes me angry that not all Star Wars fans can appreciate the ST, and I blame the creators for that. But IMO I do think there is meaningful and valuable storytelling going on thus far. You think that it’s too easy to just blame the fans, I agree with you. But it’s also too easy to blame the “evil kathleen kennedy disney franchise ruining greedy empire” as so many fans have so obviously have stated. Everybody thinks they understand the whole picture. If you look at both directors that being JJ and Rian, from what I have gathered they REALLY do give a shit. I don’t think its fair AT ALL to say none of the new creative vision matters. You can choose to see them as the “evil corporation” ruining my star wars, or you can view it as a group of people who despite common belief were actually given creative freedom. (Or obviously somewhere in the middle) Dre we all know about the modern day remake machine in hollywood, and we know it has infected Disney. But I personally don’t think its fair to say the ST is just a modern remake cash grab. If you personally weren’t emotionally affected by the new stories being told then honestly I wish you were. Dre I know you don’t like the new story, my only hope is that you along with many other fans try giving the story ANOTHER chance. That’s what the movies are ultimately about and its the ONLY reason why they are valuable. Everyone needs to stop carrying in all this extra baggage to these movies which are supposed to bring everybody together (which I know people will find ignorant to say). But this is the last one. Is it too much to ask people for once to stop pointing fingers at each other, come together, and enjoy this classic we all love? None of us would be here on this site if we didn’t have the utmost respect and love for the franchise. My point is, THIS IS IT. The last time we will see these characters we love on screen. The final performance of Carrie Fischer. The end to the saga. The last installment that REALLY MATTERS as far as me or you is concerned. Whether people like it or not, I’m just happy we’ve all had a place to come and discuss this stuff after all these years. I love this site. If anyone has read this far thanks for listening. Peace.

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#1288558
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

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#1286940
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70mm print of GOUT on Saturday in Academy Theater in CA!
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It was a great panel, I feel inspired even though I knew most of the facts already. The camera work in Rogue One was very cool and the innovation in ANH never ceases to baffle me. My favorite parts of the panel were when they were reminiscing about the “good old days” working on the models/paintings/custom cameras and sliding on waterslides. Imagine being a hippie and getting to work on star wars. So awesome.

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#1286618
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The Last Jedi- Full Movie Re-Edit
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vlad78 said:

So overall, from a technical point of view, Ivan Ortega’s reedit is a clear disappointment. But from a storytelling perspective, it’s a huge improvement and I think it is why so many people seem to be pleased with it.

“Every word of what you just said, was wrong.”
-Luke (Not Jake) Skywalker

Well at least you’re right about it being a clear disappointment. I’m sorry but a years worth of work and stealing peoples money? What a joke!

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#1284548
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Star Wars Games
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Mocata said:

To be honest I think the lack of games and the way it looks so generic are part of the same problem; nobody at EA wants to produce anything but safe bets. So it looks like bland Uncharted style platforming and whatever action combos are common now. Not that Lucasarts did a particularly great job near the end either I suppose… The Force Unleashed comes to mind.

I wholeheartedly agree here. I’m definitely not one to jump on the hatebandwagon, but god I cannot believe EA. While BF2 (2017) has recently gotten better, what has happened as a whole is just mind bogglingly below average…

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#1284547
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<em><strong>Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order</strong></em> (Video Game)
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I can’t believe I’m saying this but wow that gameplay reveal was bad. I really don’t like what I’m seeing here. There is zero chance that this is open world.

This looks like a boring version of force unleashed with less creativity. The story might be interesting but I don’t think the gameplay looks exciting at all I’m really sorry.

Just wow, EA is such trash. After cancelling that open world game headed by Amy Henning shows just how much EA has mishandled the franchise.

I’m usually not one to trash everything new especially with Star Wars but the LucasArts videogames used to be incredible. Each was so unique and expanded so much of Star Wars. There was such a push for ingenuity back then. Look back at KOTOR, Republic Commando, Jedi Outcast, Rogue Squadron, Galaxies, I mean the list goes on. People who have played these games know that I’m not putting on rose tinted glasses here.

This looks like the most generic Star Wars game I’ve ever seen, but I’m still giving it a chance.

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#1284445
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Any favorite scenes?
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TPM: Qui-Gon’s Funeral or Anakin Leaving his mother.
AOTC: Anakin finding his mom in the Tusken Raider Hut.
ROTS: Anakin and Padme force bond, Immolation Scene
ANH: “Use the force Luke”, Binary Sunset
ESB: Yoda lifting the X-Wing
ROTJ: Sarlaac Scene or “I am a Jedi”
TFA: Han/Chewie/Finn on Starkiller
TLJ: Luke & Leia/ Force Connection

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#1284431
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Admiral Ackbar deleted scenes - new Tim Rose interview
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There’s a little tidbit in the interview about Tim’s decision in ROTJ for Ackbar to slouch in his chair once the Alliance wins the day. The choice regarding the slouch was a character decision Tim made. He stood up to Richard Marquand and defended his portrayal of Ackbar and the decision he made. He wanted him to stand and cheer, but Tim’s personal stance on war influenced the choice that this wouldn’t be such a joyous moment for Ackbar. It’s great stuff and I had no idea this happened BTS. The saddest thing is that his choice in ROTJ fits in with one of the main themes of TLJ, that war and the decsions we make aren’t always so clear cut. Maybe if Tim had this same conversation with Rian, things could’ve been different. I don’t know. RIP Fishface

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#1284429
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Admiral Ackbar deleted scenes - new Tim Rose interview
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SilverWook said:

Arguably, he’s more beloved than Mr. Binks. Why would he be a gag character? He’s not there for any cheap jokes, nor is he a subject of ridicule.

Yes I agree. The interview is actually very sad. The man had to excuse himself from the room sobbing because of the joke about “It’s a wrap” they made him do. While I’m one of the few who enjoyed the Last Jedi, Ackbar is still a fan favorite. His death certainly didn’t help the hate train, but it also just really sucks what Tim went through.

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#1284418
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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NeverarGreat said:

Although it is tempting to show the story from Luke’s point of view, it’s impossible to do this for the prequels. Therefore, I propose making Yoda the true viewpoint in the story with Luke as the student he views from afar:

Open with Luke seeing a battle in the sky. He goes to see his friends and talk with Biggs, then returns home. The footage begins blurry and indistinct, almost dreamlike, but gets sharper and clearer as the scene progresses. The next day, a sandcrawler arrives with two droids. Luke cleans them and discovers a mysterious transmission. He tells his uncle about it, saying that it might belong to Old Ben, but his uncle dismisses it. Luke goes to contemplate his choices at the sunset.
Two Jedi stare out at the city at sunset. Inside the temple, the Jedi council tests Anakin on his abilities and feelings. Yoda explains that he senses much fear in Anakin, stemming from his fear of losing his mother. Transition to the Naboo palace at sunset, which has been made to look like another part of the Jedi temple, and Yoda declares that Obi-wan is a Jedi Knight and that Anakin will be one as well.
That night, Luke finds R2 has left and can do nothing else until morning.
Cut to the homestead in the daytime. Owen and Beru greet Anakin, and Clieg Lars informs him of his mother’s disappearance. Anakin kisses Padme goodbye and speeds off in search of her.
Cut to Luke searching the desert for R2. He finds the droid and Ben, who tells him all about the Jedi.
Obi-wan voices his concern to Mace and Yoda about Anakin’s abilities, and his emotional connection with Padme. They urge him to trust the boy.
Luke sees the wreckage of the sandcrawler and the burning homestead.
Yoda senses Anakin’s pain, and we see Anakin returning to the homestead with his mother, who is then buried.
Luke makes his decision to become a Jedi like his father.
Amid Anakin’s desolation, R2 arrives with the distress call. Anakin and Padme decide to rescue Obi-wan, the person Anakin considers to be like his father. The ship leaves Tatooine
The Falcon blasts off from Tatooine into Hyperspace.
Anakin and Padme confess their love, are brought into the arena, and Obi-wan jokes about the rescue attempt. The Jedi intervene in the games and Yoda arrives with the clones. Dooku reveals the existence of the Death Star.
Obi-wan senses a disturbance in the Force, Luke takes his first step into a larger world.
Obi-wan remarks on the victory of the clones, but Yoda says otherwise. The Senators watch the ships depart, the beginning of the Empire. Anakin and Padme are married.
In space, Imperial ships gather. Vader is summoned, and sees the rebel base on Hoth.
Luke collapses in the snow, and sees a vision of Obi-wan telling him to go to Yoda.
He leaves immediately and finds Yoda, but in the meantime his friends must flee Hoth.
Luke senses that his friends are in danger, but can do nothing.
Anakin has a dream of Padme dying in childbirth.
Luke faces the Dark Side Tree.
Anakin has visions of the future, but Yoda cautions him against acting on them.
Luke decides to leave. Yoda cannot dissuade him.
Anakin sits in the Jedi council chambers, torn between the Jedi and love.
Luke faces Vader alone. He fails, but he is rescued on the Falcon. They escape Cloud City.
Here follow several scenes of Episode 3, starting with Anakin comforting Padme after the Temple massacre. Obi-wan enters to discover where he has gone, and we see Vader killing the separatist leaders. Padme confronts him, then Obi-wan. Yoda waits on the asteroid awaiting news, and Bail arrives telling him of Obi-wan’s arrival.
Luke returns to Dagobah, and Yoda tells him all about the mission ahead. He dies.
After this there are some flashes, distorted voices, strange noises. The image of a throne room appears, a door opens. Luke and Vader meet the Emperor on the only Death Star to be introduced in this edit. Their confrontation leads to the death of Vader and the Emperor, but as Luke stares into the funeral pyre, Yoda’s words echo – ‘Pass on what you have learned’.
There is a vision of a temple, Luke confronting a student, the temple in ruins, Luke hiding on an island. There is darkness, but then Rey comes to Luke’s door, bearing his old lightsaber. Some of the scenes from the island in TLJ are played here, and eventually Yoda appears to Luke to give him one final lesson. Luke then becomes a legend, dying in front of the binary sunset.

Amazing insight as always Neverar.
I feel once Rise of Skywalker comes around we will see a lot more edits like these, hoping to tell concise stories whilst using all the films at their disposal.

I think it’s a great idea to use Yoda as the centerpiece.

For me Yoda and Luke are two sides of the same coin. They both represent where the Jedi went wrong, but also how they must move on from the horrors of the past for a brighter future. Using Yoda as the main character allows us as an audience to view the successes/failures and similarities of Anakin and Luke’s story from the masters perspective, allowing us to view the Jedi from an objective outside standpoint.

The main reason I wanted to make this edit in the first place was because I wanted to show the main story using all the films as concisely as possible.

In the prequels the Jedi justify the war and compromise their beliefs. They choose to fight and turn from peacekeepers to generals. This leads to their ultimate demise. This idea is conveyed by both Anakin and Luke’s decisions. Anakin decides to give in to power and temptation, and decides that fighting/the darkside is justified in order to prevent Padme’s death.

When Luke goes to face Ben in the temple he is faced with the almost exact circumstances anakin does. He hears the sounds of murder and death as he says “he would bring pain and death at the end of everything that I love because of what he could become and for the briefest moment I thought I could stop it”. Luke doesn’t make the same mistake, but the fact that the beliefs of the jedi were part of the reason this happened is why the jedi need to end.

In order to prevent the darkness, the jedi fight, thus becoming the darkness. One of the first inspirations for this edit was that I wanted to simultaneously portray these two storythreads. I think using yoda could be a great way to make this happen. Especially because of what is signified at the Force Tree and with Luke.

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#1284057
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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@rocknroll41 Starting off with Luke’s birth is an idea definitley worth trying.

Ok so making the sequel trilogy fit into this especially with the plot of Force Awakens is mere impossible. But then something ocurred to me. The plot is only a problem if we focus on Rey/Finn/Han. But they really shouldn’t be the focus. They’re not Skywalkers! The story we are trying to tell is about the Skywalker family. Rey shouldn’t be the protagonist of the final part of the edit. Ben should.
Act 1: Anakin
Act 2: Luke
Act 3: Ben (Rey also but not as much, while also tying in the legacy of Anakin and Luke)

It’s still all so up in the air though…

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#1284050
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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Peter Pan said:

SparkySywer said:

I tried to edit the OT into a 3 in 1 movie, I consider it a failure.

For one, 3 in 1 prequel edits work because the prequels have a ton of filler, and the OT doesn’t really. There is a ton of stuff you could cut (the point of my 3 in 1 edit was to have one single Death Star, so obviously the Death Star attack in ANH could go), but not nearly as much. I couldn’t really get it shorter than 3h55, and I cheated by speeding it up from 23.976 FPS to 25 FPS.

Secondly, I felt like having the Jabba’s Palace sequence in the same movie as Han getting frozen in carbonite was… bad? It felt like backtracking, although I could also see it being like a chance to see more of the universe? In a meta way?

I don’t know. Don’t let this discourage you, rocknroll41’s idea especially seems promising. I’m just warning you it’ll definitely be hard to get to work.

I think the best way to handle Han being frozen in carbonite is to cut this subplot.

Yet I am unsure on how to do so. The best way I see is to adjust the scene of Lando visiting Han, Leia, Chewie and 3PO in their cell, so it is hinted that he may help them and then dubb the dialogue of an imperial officer telling Vader that the prisoners escaped.
On bord of the falcon Han would rest, still suffering, because he was tortured by the Empire (use the scene of him laying down on the plank bed in the cell).

The most difficult challenge would be to add Han to the escape from Cloud City sequence.
Even though he would be unable to fight, because of the torture he experienced a few minutes ago.

Thank you this input is greatly appreciated. I think cutting this subplot is a great idea, we might be able to get this working. The biggest problems definitely lie within things in Empire/Jedi.

War in the stars was indeed the inspiration for the change involving the force vision. But making Luke stay on Dagobah seems like an impossible task, War in the stars while I love it is by no means seamless.