SF01

Thank you. The UK PAL version is coming to me already.

Wonderful. A nicely preserved copy is on its way to me.

The question as in the title.
I have seen auctions based in UK with different tape image on the box, so I’m wondering if it means as well that the tape might be PAL for PAL countries.

SparkySywer said:

SF01 said:

Exactly, so it’s not a native framerate. Some people say that 24 to 25 is insignifficant, while some claim they can hear the differance.

With audio, the difference between 25 fps and 24 fps is about a semitone (the difference between C and C#). It’s small, but it’s enough that most people will notice it if they’re familiar with whatever they’re listening to.

The difference between 23.976 and 24 is 1000:1001, an almost 41 times smaller difference. It’s so slight that the human brain can not perceive the difference.

If you’re worried about the numbers involved, the second is an arbitrary unit of measurement. Pick other units of time, and PAL will have non-natural number units of time, or NTSC could have natural number units of time.

If you’re worried about editing or something, what specifically are you trying to do? Put an ST movie onto VHS?

Another measure of time? It’s not about that. Divide 48kHz audio sampling by 25 and then by 23,976 and 29,970, where do you get an exact number of audio samples per frame with a sample lining up exactly at the start and enn of each frame?

Yes, I want to record everything released after III on VHS and for 24,000 fps I can use simple Euro-pulldown, for non-natural numbers there will be some additional operations involved, plus to first restore 23,976 to 24,000 the audio will have to be resampled.

My mistake, I meant it’s not a natural number, I was never taught mathematical names during my english classes, which is not a native language for me.

Exactly, so it’s not a native framerate. Some people say that 24 to 25 is insignifficant, while some claim they can hear the differance.
Reencoding audio is always nessesary when speeding up, or down material…

Well, let’s try to bully some directors, or people that mastered the BD materials.

Either way, if I put 23,976 in VEGAS it will still properly convert it to 25fps without changing speed and without resampling frames, if I force that option, so that would probably do pulldown, I don’t know however if it would be frame based, or field based, though it might depend on output settings, to record on VHS I need a DV master.

What I actually want to do is to record the films on PAL VHS.
Because it’s a fractional framerate, line NTSC, in which “S” stands for a synonym of “crap”.
The question is, do they slow down the 24 to 23,976, or what.

Let’s take PAL, it’s 25fps, so each fgrame lasts exactly 40 miliseconds, NTSC is 33,(366700033)…, which is not a Real number. Same with 23,976, it’s a completely unnessesary format, that does not keep the original speed, like back in the day film was sped up to 25fps for PAL, worst of all the Blu-Ray spec explicitely supports the proper 24p frame rate…

I have a quesion.
Were the Sequels, the Anthologies and TV series, such as Clone Wars and Mandalorian shot in exactly 24,000 fps, or 23,976 fps and if they were 24,000, where can I purchase those versions instead of that crap 23,976 that is on BDs?

Thank you.

Hello.

Is there a comprehensive list of special features that were presented as bonus material on EPs 7-9 and two standaloen films?
I’m assembling a project similar to ISD, where I will record films on VHS tapes and I’d like to include as many special features as possible.

CourtlyHades296 said:

SF01 said:

400metres said:

Just circling back on this after about a year. I’d still be curious to see how the Executor tapes were laid out with all of the extras. Even just screencaps of the bumpers between the supplements would be interesting to see. I can’t imagine they retained the title cards from the laserdisc set. Thanks!

I have upgraded my equipment I can now d otwo way transfers, but the problem is space, if you can recommend a free hosting server that will allow pretty massive space, I can pull it off.

MEGA Pro Lite is only 5 Euros a month and allows for 400 GB of uploads.

Yeah, I don’t really believe in paying for digital services, I’d rather purchase external SSD, but it won’t be available to post it here as a link.

400metres said:

Just circling back on this after about a year. I’d still be curious to see how the Executor tapes were laid out with all of the extras. Even just screencaps of the bumpers between the supplements would be interesting to see. I can’t imagine they retained the title cards from the laserdisc set. Thanks!

I have upgraded my equipment I can now d otwo way transfers, but the problem is space, if you can recommend a free hosting server that will allow pretty massive space, I can pull it off.

JadedSkywalker said:

Does anybody know what format of tape the Holiday Special was shot on?

What was popular back then, B, C, U-matic?

SKot said:

SF01 said:

I guess the sbtitles were hardcoded in the signal, right?

That would seem to be the case. I believe there was at least one Spanish-language broadcast with subtitles burned in as well.

While the Holiday Special was not aired in England as far as we know, it was apparently aired in the Republic of Ireland’s RTÉ 2 on Christmas Day of 1979…so that broadcast would have been PAL.

–SKot

That is interesting, I wonder if someone has it.

I guess the sbtitles were hardcoded in the signal, right?

So, it is available in PAL, or was it never converted, bcause it’s pointless, as the original was shot on NTSC tape?

@bluraymarco are you still with us?
And i am taking little step after little step to realize my dream.
Check out what has just arrived:
https://imgur.com/186W41u
40 pieces new old stock still in their original EMTEC boxes since the day they were packed at the production plant and sent to distributors, like 15 to 20 years ago.

Williarob said:

Usenet 😃

That thing that is spamming google search results when I want to download an obscure album redirecting me to a usenet download, where I have to register and pay for that?

I guess I will have to use my university account on onedrive, where we have 5TB, but I will have to do it by june, because when I graduate they close my account.

It only gives free 15 GB.
1h of DV is 13GB.
There are 4 tapes in the box-set.

Any idea where I can upload ~50GB files?
So that I wouldn’t ahve to seed from a torrent to everyone.

400metres said:

SF01 said:

Very interesting.

However I have an update on my project.
DV is something I might do, but I will be getting Blackmagic Hyperdeck and Teranex Mini to record the new SW films to VHS, so I guess I can go the otherway aroud and trasfer ISD that way to Hyperdeck to 4:2:2 and upscaled. Which is a step up from DV I think.

I’ll update when I get the equipment.

Any updates on this project? I’d be curious to see the way the Executor set laid out the supplemental material versus the Definitive laserdiscs.

Also, can anyone with this set offer a little more insight into the differences between the trailers on this set versus the laserdiscs? I know this copied over pretty much everything from the laserdiscs but in reading the list of trailers it sure seems like there were more on this than the laserdiscs. From the laserdisc rips I’ve seen they feature three trailers each like the DVDs, but the Executor set lists a US TV spot for New Hope, the second teaser (in both flat and scope) and the 1982 re-release for Empire and Jedi lists a “test” teaser in scope (is this just the “Revenge” teaser in letterbox or something different? I’d also be curious which Star Wars TV spot was included as there were obviously many to choose from.

Thanks for any updates or clarification!

Seems that I will have to do the DV first, as it does not appear on the horizon that I will be able to get the Hyperdeck.

I do not have laserdiscs, so I cannot say much.

JayArgonaut said:

Could be worthwhile to track down this as a reference point (and perhaps for a preservation.) 😃

Don’t even get me started, I’ve been emailing Detla continously for 3-4 years now, since I learned about the existance of this copy. All they can say is that they don’t know, that they no longer use VHS tapes, or other generic responses… The tapes are certainly decomissiones (since they are expired) and most likely destroyed. Even the Delta preservation museum doen’t have them.

Spotted pie up their final tract of digestive system, I’m bought industrial JVS VHS duplicator and I will be making my own copies, if anyone’s interested.

Small update.

I will be getting Blackmagic stuff to transfer digtal masters to VHS, so the project will soon move from “fantasy” to “doable”.

Though I still need to do some research and work on the covers. Andsince getting golden cases like the prequels had I guess I will have to do cardboard and maybe a nice box-set, like the 1995 and 2000 releases of trilogy had. Or maybe 1997 style with Ben Swolo’s helmet instead of Vader’s?

Very interesting.

However I have an update on my project.
DV is something I might do, but I will be getting Blackmagic Hyperdeck and Teranex Mini to record the new SW films to VHS, so I guess I can go the otherway aroud and trasfer ISD that way to Hyperdeck to 4:2:2 and upscaled. Which is a step up from DV I think.

I’ll update when I get the equipment.

Actually this would be a great idea, since I’m having a hard time customizing them to look more like European covers of 2000-2005 VHS releases.

digitalfreaknyc said:

JayArgonaut said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

I’d rather deal with whatever problems NTSC has than ever listen to the pitchy sped-up mess of PAL.

Not all PAL material is affected by the speed up issue and with those that are, it can be easily worked around. I live in a formerly PAL broadcasting nation, my parents are from an NTSC region - I’d rather deal with neither of the problems with both standards.

Every DVD I bought back in the day did. I would say that the ones that compensated were far in the minority. Of course, now it’s extremely easy to work around. Then? Not so much.

Blame studios. PAL pulldown is easy.
With Pal you ger better resolution image and no messed up fields.