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#1306032
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Broom Kid said:

These are basically just empty buzzwords.

Nope, not really. And repeating the “but what 'bout the marketing” argument for the prequels is just tiresome at this point. If George only cared about merchandising money he would have done what Disney is doing with the ‘sequels.’

As far as creative bankruptcy goes, I’d call basing an entire trilogy on nostalgia without an actual story plan as pretty creatively bankrupt. This trilogy isn’t about anything and it contributes nothing to the story told in Episodes I - VI. It’s just a bunch of random stuff about random people set in the Star Wars universe. If the Skywalker Saga were a video game then the ST would be a $1.99 skin pack dlc.

These films are not made by Lucas, approved by Lucas, or even have a hair of Lucas’ involvement, so it can’t be an ending to his story.
Him being on set for a day as a courtesy visit doesn’t count as a contribution; if he had any role in the new films he’d be credited beyond just a “based on a story by…” credit.

Trevorrow has a bigger credit than Lucas on TROS and he left before the cameras started rolling.

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#1306008
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DuracellEnergizer said:

I continue to be amused by you PT & ST fanboys. You’re both so quick to notice the speck in the other’s trilogy while failing to notice the beam in your own.

Lol, righto.

All three trilogies have their issues but the ST is the only one creatively bankrupt, made by committee and without the involvement of the series’ creator. If J.K. Rowling bought the Tolkien estate and wrote a Lord of the Rings sequel she’d be well within her right to, but nobody would regard it as such, just as that Cursed Child nonsense was rejected by the Harry Potter fanbase. The ST only gets a pass from some because of the ungodly amount of money and marketing pumped into the thing by one of the biggest film corporations in the world; but it’s really no different at all. Literal corporate fan fiction, and not even good fan fiction.

For all the prequel trilogy’s faults it’s not creatively bankrupt, it wasn’t made by committee and most importantly it had direct involvement from the series’ creator. How anybody could think “The Rise of Skywalker” is the conclusion to George Lucas’ story is beyond me.

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#1306004
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Best Viewing Order for Fans and First Timers: &quot;THE FLASHBACK&quot; Order
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fluffyburger said:

What do you guys think? Would you watch this order?

I respect the time and thought put into this, but I think chronological is the way to go. It’s the way the story was intended to unfold and it’s been fine for everyone I’ve introduced the saga to. All these different “viewing orders” do nothing but confuse newcomers and any newcomer isn’t going to be as pedantic about the films as we are. Plus let’s be real, even most people who haven’t seen Star Wars know about the Vader twist in ESB, so it’s not exactly a surprise anymore.

So Episode I - VI for me.

That business with the corporate fan fiction doesn’t, doesn’t count.

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#1305637
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Why don't people hate the Palpatine re-casting in ESB yet despise Force ghost Anakin's re-casting in RotJ?
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Anakin WAS redeemed as an old man, therefore, he should be an old looking force ghost…for lack of a better way of putting it.

Every time these discussions come up the most simple answer is always ignored; Hayden was put in because the audience can actually identify with Hayden’s Anakin. Shaw’s Anakin is never once seen at any point until the final minutes of Return of the Jedi and Hayden’s Anakin has two entire movies and almost five hours of screen time dedicated to him. If you put Return of the Jedi in the context of the six film saga then Shaw’s Anakin is visually out of place, it’s really that simple.

There are thematic arguments in defense of both sides but the simplest answer is just audience familiarity. I personally find the hate on Hayden’s Ghost Anakin vs. the Palpatine recast extremely hypocritical and screams of anger filled double standards; trying to rationalize the double standard just digs the hole deeper.

I personally prefer Hayden’s Ghost Anakin even though I grew up with Shaw’s Ghost Anakin, but as with every SE/Theatrical debate I think both sides would be perfectly happy if both versions of the films were freely available to the public, which should be the case anyway.

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#1305310
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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Cthulhunicron said:

If the new movies don’t do anything original, it’s honestly just difficult for me to feel any interest in them. The ST movies are fairly competent so far, but to me they’re merely “okay.” If they put out episode 10 and it’s new rebels vs new empire, and they have to blow up an even bigger Death Star, I really don’t know how to get excited about that.

Pretty much the reason I gave up on DisWars, and I truly don’t understand how anybody can get invested in a worse version of the original trilogy, but whatever.

Back when Solo was about to hit theaters, and during, I was on the box office thread stating that it’d flop and that it is currently flopping, but I had a half dozen users calling me “wrong” and that the film was “going strong” and that it was “too early” to call that. Those comments aged like milk.

I think TROS will make money but I honestly don’t know if it’ll clear a billion. I don’t think a lot of DisWars fans realize how apathetic people have become to the brand. I’ve heard every excuse in the book but numbers don’t lie, and the brand is making less than it ever has. I would’ve said it was impossible a few years ago, but a few years ago if you’d told someone a live action Star Wars movie would lose hundreds of millions at the box office they’d laugh in your face, and yet here we are. The brand has been utterly run into the ground.

I’m sure opening weekend will be strong when all the fans rush out to see it, but the second week will be the most telling. I could very well be proven wrong and I’ll eat my words if I am, but it’s entirely possible we’ll have another box office performance like BvS or Justice League.

Regardless, the one thing for certain is that if it doesn’t clear a billion executive heads will roll like they never have before.

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#1294788
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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yotsuya said:

Star Wars movies have traditionally not relied on just diehard fans to make money.

How’d that go for Solo?

TROS won’t lose money but it’s not going to meet the expectations suits at the top want.

Star Wars has been on a decline in public interest for a while now. Movie sales are down. Toy sales are down. Merch sales are down. Book/comic/game sales are down. Google searches are down. Trailer views are down. Social media engagement is down. Everything is down.

Why there are still people who insist that Star Wars is doing just fine is beyond me. The IP is tanking hard, worse than it ever has before, and the numbers are reflecting that in droves.

Disney/nuLucasfilm has torpedoed the brand and if TROS underperforms it’s in serious trouble.

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#1294785
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Star Wars prequels on VHS: Original theatrical versions
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ZigZig said:

Ryan-SWI said:

As for that TPM VHS mentioned, that also isn’t the theatrical version. It’s close but it has a few minor alterations to it.

AFAIK, TPM VHS, VCD and Laserdisc contain the theatrical version, as well as early TV broadcasts (Scandinavian C+, Austrian ORF1…). What “few minor alterations” are you referring to?

By memory there’s a very slighty different shot of Darth Maul during the final duel on the pan and scan version, and on both p&s and ws there’s a few different audio cues and the subtitles don’t quite match. I’m on mobile so I can’t go digging around on OT to find the forum posts, but they’re on here.

Like I said, minor altercations, but altercations all the same. I’ve got several CAM VCD bootlegs of TPM and AOTC because they’re the only surviving true theatricals of the films. The Z edition of TPM’s CAM bootleg is still used as a reference point for this very reason.

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#1294752
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Star Wars prequels on VHS: Original theatrical versions
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The AOTC VHS is not theatrical. No official theatrical version of that film exists on home video, only in the form of CAM bootlegs.

As for that TPM VHS mentioned, that also isn’t the theatrical version. It’s close but it has a few minor alterations to it.

All of this has been extensively documented on these forums before though.

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#1258737
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General Star Wars Questions
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Voss Caltrez said:

But in Obi-Wan’s time, or even Qui-Gon Jinn’s, how was there any real challenge for a Jedi, outside of fellow Force users, like Sith Lords? Their were numerous Jedi back then and they were all well trained and adept witht he Force, and not late bloomers like Luke.

It just seems like with all their abilities, any fights they had would be pretty boring. I mean, apparently the Sith had been extinct for a long time until Darth Maul showed up.

For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire. - Obi-Wan Kenobi, A New Hope.

You pretty much answered your own question didn’t you? Not much happened before the Sith showed up because they were so powerful, like you said. Not to mention the Jedi weren’t overthrown by sheer force, it was Palpatine’s slow manipulation. By the time Order 66 came around:

Our ability to use the force has diminished - Mace Windu, Revenge of the Sith.

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#1258232
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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pleasehello said:

I find it strangely dissonant that you dismiss TFA and TLJ as “nostalgic cashgrabs” and “corporate fan fiction”, yet you say you “loved” Rogue One.

Contrary to your opinion, I thought that TFA and TLJ while they do play on nostalgia, had a lot more heart than Rogue One, which I felt was a soulless assembly of recognizable imagery built around hollow characters.

TFA and TLJ add nothing of value to the saga of I - VI, Rogue One does.

The characters in Rogue One may be very underdeveloped, but at least they’re actual characters with flaws and personalities, and not Cliche Two Dimensional Character #1, #2 and #3.

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#1258053
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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LordZerome1080 said:

I agree with you but I do like the Vader comics

I forgot about those and I agree, they’re of good quality, I was more referring to films and TV in my post.

There have been a couple good comic series’, but I really don’t like the novels put out. They remind me of the most average of the pre-2014 EU. Even then, if I’ve got to choose between DisCanon’s comics and Dark Horse, I’m gonna go with Dark Horse.

Voss Caltrez said:

I wish SOLO’s origin story had a bit more edge to it.

I didn’t mind the lack of edge too much though it would have been nice, I just wish it had more weight to it. The film is called “SOLO” but take out Han Solo himself and the story barely changes, the whole film feels very inconsequential to the character.

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#1257959
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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Mavimao said:

I understand fans’ frustrations with Rey’s sudden abilities, but did we really need another training montage?

No, but we needed an explanation because these films are claiming to be the 7th and 8th part of a 40 year old episodic saga and they don’t seem to care about anything set up prior.

It’s really no wonder so many people see these films as corporate fan fiction.

If TFA and TLJ were just stand alone spin off movies most people would probably dismiss them like they did Solo, but the problem is they’re saying this is the “sequel trilogy” despite advancing nothing of narrative substance in the broader context and actively going out of its way to undermine everything that came before.

I maintain that in twenty years the only thing this trilogy will be recognised for is the biggest wasted opportunity in cinematic history. They had endless potential and could have done literally anything, but instead went for a quick nostalgic cashgrab that’ll age like an opened can of beer. Unbelievable.

I’m personally in a weird spot because I loved Rogue One and really liked Solo, but have hated every other piece of material we’ve been given. At this point as far as I’m concerned the saga is I - VI and the only thing I’m interested in is the spin off movies and upcoming shows. More power to you if you’re looking forward to IX, but it just ain’t for me.

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#1257921
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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screams in the void said:

^ in the interests of trying to better understand where you are coming from , what was the explanation of Rey’s power that failed to convince that you mentioned?

Not the person you’re replying to but my main issue with Rey’s power is a general issue throughout almost all of “DisCanon” - lazy and dumbed down explanations that don’t mesh with what’s come before.

The simple fact is that Rey is magically the most powerful Jedi ever, even moreso than Anakin. Inside of a week without knowing anything beforehand she’s just suddenly fantastic and can stand toe-to-toe with anyone and everything. The difference between her and literal force Jesus Anakin though, is that Anakin had an explanation from the get go. Then you have Luke, who has force Jesus’ blood running in his veins but still is nowhere near as competent as Rey in the OT (if anyone starts saying Luke was just as bad because he blew up the Death Star I may just have a brain aneurysm). Meanwhile Rey, 2/3 of the way through the trilogy, is just unbelievably powerful for no reason.

The only excuse I ever see to rebut how stupidly powerful and perfect she is is “yes but in this one scene she is sad, and in this one scene she is struggling to deal with not knowing who she is.”

Anakin had to bare the weight of being crowned “The Chosen One” and Luke had to bare the weight of his Dad being the most evil man in existence. Taking this into account, we’re meant to find some rando junk scavenger who’s perfect at everything without having to earn a lick of it compelling because she’s sad she hasn’t seen her parents in 20 years, by comparison? Come on.

The excuse of “IX will fix it” doesn’t fly either because VIII didn’t fix VII and regardless films should stand on their own merit, not need other films to make sense. That’s poor writing.

On top of that you had the TLJ novel explain her powers that came out of nowhere as her downloading them from Kylo’s mind. Because apparently Star Wars movies are RPG video games now.

Star Wars writing has been across the board lazy beyond reconcile since 2015 and it’s only getting dumber.

Nobody gave a pass to Anakin being a 9 year old who could do anything despite him being force Jesus, so why in God’s name does Rey get one?

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#1257462
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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SilverWook said:

When has Disney ever trashed the prequels? Kind of odd, as prequel characters are quite prevalent in the theme parks. Jar Jar being the exception.

Let’s not pretend there weren’t a number of cast and crew involved in TFA championing it as a “return to form”, Simon Pegg being Simon Pegg, and the huge marketing push endlessly touting all the practical effects in the film. They didn’t come out and say “the prequels were crap and this is better”, but in a lot of instances they may as well have.

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#1257324
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Harry Potter Extended Editions
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JJPotter said:

After a bit of a layoff, I have pulled out my old edits and have started making some tweaks (hopefully not ala George Lucas). There were some things that I wanted to do when I first was working on these, but didn’t have the confidence to do them properly. Most of these changes involved scenes with green or blue screen. While I incorporated some, there were others that I avoided completely.

The first tweak I am working on is an addition to the DH1 intro. I always wanted to have the full “Dudley Redemption” scene added. I have rendered out an initial cut of the intro with this inserted. I’m not pleased with the music right now, so it will require more tweaks. The only part I have done green screen work on so far is the initial wide shot. Other portions are zoomed in at the moment, which you will be able to see clearly in the quality differences of the footage. I hope to be able to do more green screen work on these portions to increase the quality.

Here is the first draft of this revised intro.

https://vimeo.com/302735914

Looking great so far man, it always annoyed me that such an important scene was tossed in favour of some of the other stuff that was added in.

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#1257323
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With 20th century in Disney’s grasp, what are the odds of an OUT release?
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I don’t think we’ll see it until after George is gone. I get the impression that it is largely out of respect that they haven’t done anything with it. Whether you agree with it being released or not I think it’s pretty obvious that releasing it would be a pretty big F U to George from Lucasfilm considering how adamant he was about it not being made available.

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#1257322
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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I suppose I’ll throw my two cents in for what it’s worth.

A lot of people echo the sentiment that this current era of Star Wars is no more divisive than the prequel era. I think that’s a misrepresentation of the situation and the only people I see claiming that are those who vehemently defend any and all ST-era content. That’s not a dig at those who do, just to be clear, but I’m yet to see the opposite.

The reality is that Solo was a box office bomb. That has never happened in the history of Star Wars theatrical releases, and a decade ago would be unprecedented, which is something far too many people don’t recognise. Not to mention every single film is steadily returning less and less money as time goes on. Toy sales are garbage, which to be fair could be indicative of toy sales as a whole, but given the success of other brands in similar categories I’d disagree.
Identity politics are massive in this era of Star Wars, and that subject already has enough division in general which has turned away droves of people (again, not saying they’re right or wrong, but that doesn’t change the situation). A large marketing push for the ST-era content was scrapping the EU and dumping on the PT, both of which do have large fanbases, and that kind of blatant and intentional division is something that we haven’t seen happen with the franchise before on a large scale. You didn’t see George talking about how god awful the OT was while promoting the PT. Then you have the fans, on both sides, who seem incapable of having an actual discussion without screeching buzzwords at each other.

And finally, personal feelings of the ST aside, they really don’t add much of substance to the saga of I - VI, and instead feel like a DLC pack for a video game. Remember that this is meant to be a sequel to an epic saga, and what exactly has it added to the story of I - VI? Has it expanded on it in ways other than superficial (character deaths, etc)? Not really. The whole thing feels rather inconsequential.

Compare that to the prequel era. Yes, plenty of people hated the films. However toy sales, merch sales, expanded universe content, everything was at an all time high. On top of this while plenty disliked the films, they didn’t dislike the era and what came along with it. There were far less personal political attacks to drive people away and there certainly wasn’t a box office bomb; not even the dreadful Clone Wars movie managed that. The prequel era was about embracing everything - eras, EU content, everything was accepted. People may not have liked the PT, but they weren’t insulted for it and there wasn’t a collective effort by fans and Lucasfilm alike to get them away from the franchise.

On top of this, love them or hate them, but the PT unarguably contributes and expands on the saga; you can say a lot about it, but ‘tacked on’ isn’t one of them.

There were points of contention in the fanbase during the prequel era but they were considerably more niche and isolated than they are now.

Finally (and this is maybe the most important part of all), kids don’t care about Star Wars. Kids are all wearing Marvel costumes, buying Marvel toys and clothes, seeing Marvel movies. 15 years ago most kids were obsessed with Star Wars and now it’s rare to see many who have any interest at all unless it’s already massive in their household. Kids have always been one of the major target demographics for Star Wars and without their support the brand won’t do nearly as well as it once did.

I think personal feelings aside, it’s obvious that this is quite different to anything the franchise has seen before.

Speaking personally however, I really really liked Rogue One and Solo. However TFA and TLJ are god awful at best and downright insulting at worst for me and as far as I’m concerned, represent everything George Lucas was trying to fight against. They feel lazy as movies and disrespectful of the saga, and for that reason I’ll never see them as anything other than corporate fan fiction, and seeing as the original creator has no involvement there’s actually an argument to be made there, but that’s not the point of this thread.

If you think my personal feelings invalidate my argument that’s fine, but I thought I may as well be transparent and lay out my biases.

I hope Star Wars can get back on track but on its current trajectory I just don’t see that happening.

Sorry for the long write up, don’t blame you if you didn’t make it to the end.

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#1245475
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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screams in the void said:

I wonder if some were in this very thread that seemed to come out of the woodwork , think I may have come across a few on Facebook as well …https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-was-targeted-by-russian-trolls-study-says-1148475

That shoddy excuse for journalism is horribly biased and the sources are selectively picked and skewed to paint a narrative.

Why is “It’s The Russian Bots!” boogeyman the new excuse for deflecting criticism about anything and everything? Is it so hard to fathom that maybe there’s these crazy things called different opinions?..

There’s an argument to be made for troll brigading, but claiming it’s an international government conspiracy and using very specific twitter ‘findings’ to prove your case is hilariously moronic.

MalàStrana said:

(I’m highly disappointed that Rian Johnson retweets this kind of paper)

And yet not surprising in the least.

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#1215982
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<em>Solo: A Star Wars Story</em> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — <strong>SPOILERS</strong>
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Mocata said:

They have a brand to maintain, it can’t be watered down with talk of multiple visions.

Considering they’ve managed to destroy their PR of the brand in 2 and a half years a Director’s Cut would probably be the least damaging thing they’ve done in a while.

That being said we’ll get a Jar Jar Binks spin off before that happens.

Also the film has barely crossed 300 million worldwide, am I still being premature in calling it a box office flop or?..

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#1215680
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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I don’t think I’ve updated my list in a while, at least since Solo. It changes quite often except for #1 and #2 so why not.

  1. Revenge of the Sith
  2. A New Hope
  3. The Phantom Menace
  4. Attack of the Clones
  5. The Empire Strikes Back
  6. Return of the Jedi
  7. Rogue One
  8. Solo

Huge Gap

  1. Ewoks: Battle For Endor
  2. The Force Awakens
  3. Ewoks: Caravan of Courage
  4. The Clone Wars
  5. The Last Jedi
  6. The Holiday Special

1 - 8 I either love immensely or greatly enjoy, 9 onwards is indifferent or despise.

TV Show rankings:

  1. Clone Wars (2003)
  2. Droids
  3. Ewoks
  4. The Clone Wars (2008 Onwards)
  5. Rebels

Not huge on CGI animated shows. I respect that The Clone Wars especially has very good story telling, but I’ve never liked CGI shows no matter what the branding, and I’ve watched The Clone Wars from start to finish. I dunno, the aesthetics bother me. I realise that’s a personal thing though.

Episodes I - VI will always trump all as far as I’m concerned, their ordering is purely viewing preference. The Disney anthology films I get a huge amount of enjoyment out of. Was very surprised by Solo especially, a lot of fun.

The Ewoks movies I have a weird nostalgic attachment to so I enjoy them for that reason. The Force Awakens I quite hate for its story, but I enjoy it as a standalone movie on its own merits. The Clone Wars movie is crap but I can watch it when I’m drunk.
The Last Jedi is disgusting.
The Holiday Special gets last place purely because I’ve never made it through a full viewing in one sitting.