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#1513752
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Good idea, it actually references “the mistake of Naboo”. I think the whole scene will take a while for me to complete, but the audio is mostly finished. The only thing still missing is Dooku introducing himself, but I could upload what I have so far.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mqt9MeF9mr08sP-wQAHjMqGHJSuidcuf/view?usp=sharing

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#1513741
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Now I was hitting this thread, because I wanted to ask a question. I spliced together a short holo-message of Dooku giving a speech about the republics downfall and the failure of the Jedi. The idea was to give the separatist more of an identity and to give Dooku a proper introduction.

The sound file is about 30 seconds long and it sounds a lot better with reverb to it, so I was thinking about adding a big hologram of Dooku to the deleted senate scene after the first attempt on Padmé.

However I fear that my footage might not be enough and therefore I was thinking about adding a shot of a bar or club, similar to place Zam is hiding, where the speech would run on a screen. This would also allow for a reaction shot or two of bystanders hearing the speech and that leads me to the question I wanted to ask:

Does anybody know a scene from another (sci-fy) movie that could serve as a template for this?

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#1513341
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What changes would you make to the Prequels?
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SparkySywer said:

I’d like to have the Jedi themselves gradually become authoritarian over the course of the PT. At the beginning of Episode 1, they’re more like academics, diplomats, and thought leaders with no formal power in the galaxy, having given it up at the beginning of the long peace they live in. But this long peace is coming to an end, and the Jedi, reminiscing their past as defenders of peace and justice in the galaxy, illegally intervene in this war. This should be portrayed as a good thing, if they hadn’t, the bad guys would’ve just chewed up whatever planet they invaded and moved on to the next, and the Republic was incapable of stopping them without the Jedi.

The enemy responds by escalating the war to deal with the Jedi, to the point where the Jedi can no longer handle the war on their own. The Republic is at risk of being conquered, and the Jedi save the Republic by seizing more power and mobilizing a large, centralized army capable of fighting a galactic-scale war. Since the Jedi have been the boots on the ground, this army is answerable to the Jedi, not necessarily the Senate, giving the Jedi essentially more power than the Republic. After Episode 2, the galaxy may as well already be in the same political state as it is under the Empire, the only major difference being that the Jedi, who are trying to do the right thing, are in charge. The Senate won’t be dissolved until Episode 4, but in Episode 3 they’re just rubber stamping what the Jedi want to do anyway. Again, this should be something the audience is on board with. If they didn’t do this, the Republic would have been destroyed and someone far worse would have been ruling the galaxy.

The Senate would be more like the Roman Senate than the American Senate, where all the Senators have important bureaucratic jobs outside of legislating. Palpatine is the Jedi’s representative in the Senate, a very prestigious role before the PT but not powerful until the war happened. But now, Palpatine is essentially the commander-in-chief of an army which is more powerful than the Republic, and all he has to do to seize complete control of the galaxy for himself is to get the Jedi out of the picture. He does that, and that’s it. He sells this seizure of power easily, because ostensibly the only difference between the Jedi’s regime and his is that his regime is more effective and not self-sabotaging with allegiance to, like, ideals and morality. Now that Palpatine’s in power, the “Republic” easily wins the war they always should have been able to.

I wouldn’t want the audience realizing the Jedi were doing anything wrong until it’s in retrospect at the end of the trilogy. The Republic is cripplingly stalled by corruption and enough Senators are in the pockets of the enemy that the Jedi are the only ones capable of fighting a truly evil enemy, but they have the strategy of white blood cells and put the galaxy in a worse position because of it. If Palpatine’s behind the enemy here too, this could be his real plan, counting on the Jedi Code’s complete intolerance of the dark side to get them to seize power for him.

That would have been great.

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#1512989
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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paja said:

My try at executing Pan’s idea.

https://streamable.com/rnkglg

Cool, maybe we could add some interference or audio quirks to hide some of the off sentences.

Other than that I was reading through Neverar’s post and it got me thinking again. If the Kaminoans were trying to get Amidala out of the picture to cut out a deal with the republic, then we would need some indication, at least, that they are following a concrete plan, which doesn’t rely purely on coincidence.

The big question here is, how can this be accomplished within the framework of the existing movie.
So, albeit for a different reason and plot, Neverar was proposing a conversation between Gunray and Zam and pointed to the fact that there are two assassins.

This is important because the dart killing Zam is Jango’s way of leading the Jedi on to his trail. However the way it plays out originally feels random, thus breaking any illusion of a pre existing plan.

Though that could easily be changed by simply adding a closeup of Jango playing with the toxic dart in his hand, set to an ominous music cue at the end of his meeting with Zam.

Then I would simply remove the “missing data” point from the plot, there is no way to resolve it satisfyingly.

Obi visits Dex and goes to Kamino, there he learns of the army and questions Jango. This would be the tricky bit. We would need Jango to name drop Geonosis, maybe we could substitute it in for the “moons of Bogdan”.

And if it’s possible we should remove Sifo Dyas from the story, his is just another unresolved mystery distracting from the plot.

Now Obi contacts the council, reporting his suspicion, but he isn’t urged to capture Fett. Afterwards we could use the analysis droid deleted scene and change the droids line.
He analyses the dart and points out that the poison stems from a certain species of centipedes living on Geonosis. To drive the point home that these are indeed the bugs from the assassination attempt we could add a small graphic to the screen infront of Obi.

After that Obi charges to catch Jango and fights him on the landing platform, but the bounty hunter escapes without Obi-Wan placing a homing beacon on the ship.

After that the Jedi visits Geonosis and lands without facing any complications. (sadly there is no space for the Dolby surround sound bombs)

He spies on the separatist, no mention of any assassinations here, then contacts coruscant revealing both armies and gets arrested before accusing any party of the attempted murder.
One of the senators then blames the separatist and proceeds to call upon the chancellor to build an army. Yoda and Mace share a short glance at each other, but remain silent.

Meanwhile Dooku visits Obi-Wan in his cell. The Jedi claims to be looking for Fett, but he doesn’t insist on his presence on Geonosis. Jango only arrives after this scene, during the night, before Anakin and Padmé try to rescue Obi-Wan.

From this point on it should be smooth sailing.
Maybe cut Sidious’ final scene with Dooku, but there isn’t anything bigger in need of change.

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#1512948
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Share your good news!
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I was approached by my professor about writing my bachelor thesis at her department. And in general this semester is going great, everything involving algebra and number theory is fascinating. The only course that I struggle to enjoy is elementary differential geometry, there is simply too much arithmetic involved. The greatest thing about leaving school mathematics behind was not needing to memorize that many formulas any more. Well, this course turned out to be just like that all over again.

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#1512896
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

“Do you think these cloners are involved in the plot to assassinate Senator Amidala?”
No Master, there appears to be no motive.”

thereifixedit

If we’re at it, we should turn Mace‘s question into a suspicion: “You think these cloners are …” Answer: “Yes, Master” (taken from the end of the transmission)

I mean Obi-Wan just gave them the motive, he told them that these people want to sell an army. It makes no sense for Mace to ask an open question like that.

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#1512842
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Upon rewatching AOTC, albeit in form of an edit, I was wondering whether it would be possible to pin Padmé’s assassination on the Kaminoans. It would certainly make more sense than to pin it on the separatist. After all they would profit from continued negotiations. The Kaminoans on the other hand want to sell an army and by sheer coincidence the leading figure behind the opposition to this endeavor has become the subject of numerous assassination attempts.

To me, that sounds like a promising plot for a thriller. It gives Obi-Wan something to actually work out and puts the Jedi and the Republic on the spot to make a difficult choice: Choose justice and play into the separatist hands or choose war to defend the republic. Adding yet another layer of irony to Order 66.

The only things, I am still struggling to fit into this narrative are Jango’s involvement with Dooku and the missing archive data on Kamino. The second point could potentially be dropped with Obi-Wan hitting Dex’s to determine the origins of the dart and heading to Kamino immediately after.
Though the first point might be more difficult to make sense of.

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#1512839
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Cassian Andor - Live-Action Series
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The funeral and all the build up to it was simply perfect and hit deeper than I would have ever imagined, especially in context with everything going on in this world. I haven’t watched the whole episode yet, because I had to take a break and that broke the flow of the episode so I decided to let it rest for now and give it a complete watch tomorrow.

The only thing subtracting from this series (which I wasn’t fond of a first, I’ll admit) is the fact that Cassian isn’t an original character to it. Honestly Rogue One doesn’t even remotely play in the same league.

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#1509594
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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I agree with vranir, maybe loose the “wishing to board immediately” scene and alter the first Sidious appearance.
Something like this:

•Crawl

•The cruiser appears, lands aboard the federation ship and two hooded figures leave.

•Wide shot of the command bridge, insert “a transmission from the planet” but not the video.

•All communication is cut and Sio Bibble suspects an invasion. Maybe I’d add padmé’s “they wouldn’t dare that far” and finish the scene on “I will not condone a course of action, that will lead us to war.” Simply because it’s one of the better shots in the movie.

•The ship is blown up, the gas gets released and Gunray instructs the Battledroids to “destroy the rest of them”

•The door opens and the action ensues

•The Jedi dodge from the scene, see the invasion army and decide to warn the naboo.

Let’s see maybe next week I’ll find the time to try my hands on this.

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#1508379
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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EddieDean said:

Here’s a little idea, I don’t know how valuable it would be, but it might be worth thinking about:

You could potentially move Padmé’s early conversation by video with the Neimoidians on their bridge to when she’s on Tattooine.

During the “The death toll is catastrophic”/“It’s a trap, send no reply” segment, you could follow that up a short time later with Padmé’s “The Trade Federation have gone too far this time” - and then follow that with the launch of the probe droids and eventual attack by Maul.

Does that make for an interesting throughline?

That is a nice idea indeed, however Padmé isn’t onboard her ship when they receive Sio Bibble’s transition.