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#112486
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Favorite OT score/music cue?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112486/action/topic#112486
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I'm a musician myself, and the first music I remember loving (besides The Beatles and Elvis because my mom loved them) was Bach on organ and SW. So you could say that it had a lasting impression on me! (As you all, I'm sure.) Phew, let's see...

1) The whole "Yoda lifting the X-wing" scene
2) Final showdown in Imperial Throne room (chills!)
3) The Flacon in the asteroid belt
4) Obi-Wan explaining the Force to Luke on Tatooine
5) Luke calling to Leia in the Cloud City
6) Rebel fleet preparing for light speed
7) Damn, everything else!

I've been saying for years that the secret behind SW was a mix of storytelling, special effects and music.... thanks for confirming this, people!
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#112479
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ROTS: Did Anyone Else Laugh....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112479/action/topic#112479
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I agree with you, ADigitalMan, when it comes to saying that the Vader "mystique" has been cheapened somewhat by the whole PT. I guess we all basically knew for a while that anger at the loss of Mom&Wife would push Anakin towards the Dark Side, and the idea of a backfired plan to save Amidala wasn't all that bad, but dialogue and delivery (even casting while we're at it!) just plain sucked, for all the redeeming worth of ep.III compared to the other two. I try to remember Vader as I envisioned him as a kid, forgetting the PT Anakin: as a mysteriously powerful (almost noble in classy cruelty) and nightmarishly villain.
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#109667
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ROTS: Incoherence ... (attention, a little bit of spoiler inside)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109667/action/topic#109667
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For every French and Italian reader here: WHY did they re-named the characters in Star Wars? Did they sound like curse words?

Ricarleite: For the French version, I don't see any other reason than lack of foresight: no word sounds remotely near anything French, and like I said these errors do not reappear in ESB and ROTJ (I haven't seen the PT in French yet). They probably went for sounds that "fitted" for better lip-synch or something. Still funny, though!
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#109026
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Things you DID NOT like about Episode III
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109026/action/topic#109026
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Wow! You have pretty much covered the terrain already, and I agree with most of what y'all said. Let me just add a fantasy comment: since Ani's "conversion" seems to happen a bit too fast for most of us (destroying all the oh-so-important subtlety and richness of the most crucial aspect of this long-awaited PT), and since we would have enjoyed seeing a bit more Vader/Han/Tarkin/etc. (which would also have helped the transition to ANH), don't you find it even more frustrating now to have gone through all the useless rubbish in TPM? I mean, we almost could have started directly with AOTC with a few adjustments, no? (That WOULD make Qui-Gon/Darth Maul pretty much unnecessary, though, I guess. But also kid-Ani, whom I do not care for.) What do you think?
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#109020
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ROTS: Incoherence ... (attention, a little bit of spoiler inside)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109020/action/topic#109020
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I know I'm going off subject, but I too have seen (quite often!) the French versions of the OT, and I don't think that the translators expected episodes 5 and 6 at first: in ANH, the Falcon is indeed called the Condor and Darth called Dark, but also... R2 is called D2-R2 (inverted), 3PO is called Z-6P0 (!), Han nicknames Chewie "Chico" (Cheeko).... AND there's weird misinterpretations, like when Obi-Wan tells Luke that his father was "massacred at the hands of" Vader... whew! BUT, as consolation, these errors do not reappear in ESB and ROTJ, and I must say that the French voices do indeed sound a lot more polite and refined than the average translation.
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#71155
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Question about PT to OT continuity
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71155/action/topic#71155
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Good and complicated subject, Lethe! Here goes: as Kenobi and Yoda explained in the OT, the Force is a flux that surrounds and binds all things, and was created by life itself. Since we know, us, that there are unseen and unavoidable "forces" (gravitational, nuclear, electro-magnetic) in the world, the idea of harnessing a similar yet life-originated force is one of GL's most memorable and inspiring ones. Midish*t would seem to be a rather useless scientific identification of the physical presence of the Force. Not a bad idea, just, like the whole PT, a disappointing attempt at explanation. Being atheist, I don't want to start an uproar, but I would dare say that the Force as a religion makes more sense than most: natural, universal, proved by concrete manifestations of special powers by gifted and serious beings.... good and complicated subject indeed!
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#71140
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Lack of humanity in prequels?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71140/action/topic#71140
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CGI, for all its worth, just doesn't seem to "fit" (at least not yet) as realistically and naturally with humans as do puppets. Am I crazy or have you noticed this? Another BIG problem is that GL is not quite the best director in the world.... I'll admit that Mark Hamill may not be the best actor in the world either, but he sure had chemistry with Fisher/Ford/etc., while better-known actors in the PT just plain suck. Please take the time to REALLY watch the "romantic-yet-tragic" dialogue by the fire between Amidala and Anakin in AOTC, and please tell me that I'm not the only one to find REALLY bad acting there!
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#71137
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OT.com in french newspaper
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71137/action/topic#71137
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I think that the major problem of the French ANH is that the translators had no idea that the saga would continue, hence the "guerre noire" instead of "guerre des clones" (did the word CLONE even exist in french at the time?) or Z6P0 instead of C3P0 (more practical, as mentioned above). On the other hand, the "polite" way of speaking, typical of french and german grammar but not found in english, suits characters like Vader and Obi-Wan really well. The translation gem in ANH, thank God there's a least one, is Obi-Wan's "L'oeil ne voit que la surface des choses, ne t'y fie pas" ("The eye sees but the surface of things, do not rely on it"), when Luke trains against the remote in the Falcon; very Jedi-like!
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#69879
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Star Wars, The Beatles, and the desecration of our cultural heritage
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69879/action/topic#69879
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Very good point! Not only are the albums in need of remastering, but there needs to be some coherence in the process too: for example, why is Rubber Soul, a fairly straight-forward/acoustic album, mixed in digital while Revolver, a more experimental one, is mixed mono? I would suggest keeping an unaltered, well-preserved original version available for researchers, historians and die-hard fans, while trying to adapt as faithfully as possible, on the other hand, the classic works to the new media and technology that keep appearing. And that goes for SW too!
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#69876
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when did you see SW first...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69876/action/topic#69876
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A funny story, because it happened somewhat by accident. I found a figurine in a ditch near my house and found it really cool. It turned out to be Boba Fett, so my parents rented ANH and it blew me away... just before ROTJ hit the screens, which I saw in theaters twice (although in French). When you're 8 years old and those Tie Fighters come right at you on a big screen...man!
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#69150
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Bowling for Coruscant
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69150/action/topic#69150
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Even though I know diddly squat about moviemaking and marketing, I could be (and actually wouldn't mind being) of service to you: I have quite a few nice "quality-of-storytelling" arguments against the changes (as you probably all do), I master the French language perfectly (if you need some translators, to maybe give it a more "international" flavor), and I'm a university-trained musicologist used to writing (and criticizing bad music-making, as in the end of the SE ROTJ). If that helps you...
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#69146
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Star Wars Music
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69146/action/topic#69146
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A question for you guys.... I don't have any of the soundtracks, but I've heard that Williams does not cover all the orchestration duties. Is this correct? If so, my opinion of him diminishes somewhat, the orchestration of the SW music being its best feature next to the themes per se and their treatment in the specific scenes in which they are heard. The harmony varies in quality depending on context but is rarely nothing but standard for orchestral soundtracks (listen to Kubrick soundtracks for great composers in this area - Bartok, Ligeti, Strauss...), the voice-leading is sometimes shitty, but the themes and the orchestrations! Man, that will follow me to my grave.
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#69141
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The PERFECT article addressing the 1997SE-2004DVD OT changes and their ickiness
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69141/action/topic#69141
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I bet most people here would have to agree with Will. I mean, a lot of changes can be explained (reasons of continuity between trilogies being the most obvious one), but I just can't stomach some that have been pointed out by this great article (and comments by people like you): the mismatch between CGI and the classic "puppet" approach (an aesthetic horror, and error, in my opinion), the HC ghost in ROTJ that completely de-humanizes Darth Vader (and nullifies the unmasking scene, clearly one of the most poignant scenes in all of SW), the relative uselessness of the Vader-Emperor dialogue change in ESB (which dangerously hints at Vader's "fatherhood punchline", the dramatic climax of the film), the ridiculous color changes of certain specific lightsabers, the softening-up of Solo in the Greedo duel, and most importantly (although not very often discussed), the all-too-fast pan-galaxy celebrations at the end of ROTJ that diminish the vision of both a well-established Empire (remember the power given to the regional Governors by the Emperor in ANH?) and a small-scale/independent/against-all-odds Rebellion. I just can't see how this really helps the overall STORY, even if you DO like the PT (or certain less important changes in the SE).