Patali

beachedwhale said:

We’ve finished book 4 and apparently that film was the best out of all Star Wars content so far (other than acolyte we’ve done EVERYTHING leading up to this). Lots of concern for baby yoda and when Boba finally made his appearance she thought he was going to be the villain which made the stand off more tense due to the Boba sniping scene in the previous movie.

I know it’s old rope by now but having him reveal his face here first at the end makes it so much more impactful, it hit wonderfully.

Yes, Book 4 truly feels like an “event” film. The buildup to Boba, having gotten to know him over the previous movies, makes it so much more exciting when they finally meet. And it was exciting in the show already, but in the new version, it’s next level. Meeting Ahsoka, Boba, involving Bo-katan, seeing Din for the first time… it feels like an Avengers movie having been built up from all its other little movies. So much payoff. Definitely some of the best Star Wars content.

beachedwhale said:

Bad news is she is dying to watch more now and we only have Ahsoka and your book 5 I need to drag out!

My opinion (after watching everything with my wife last year similar to you). Watching Ahsoka after Book 4 works really well, because obviously Book 4 just introduced live action Ahsoka, and then you jump into her story. But also because, it makes the time that Grogu and Mando are separated even longer than Bagel already makes it, which I think, the longer the better.
The ending of 5 is kind of hype where you just want to jump right into 6, so I think watching Book 4, then Ahsoka, then continuing with Bagel’s movies 5 (and eventually 6) works best.
My preference for Ahsoka is the single movie Patterson cut. Like Bagel he puts a lot of effort in and does some special effects work on certain scenes, makes the whole thing fun, colorful and poppy. My wife had not even watched Rebels, and she thought Ahsoka (Patterson cut) was a ton of fun.

aGreatHumanBeing said:

Bored at 3AM said:

I watched the first two movies over the weekend and this is most certainly going to be my go-to versions from now on.

Out of curiosity: I guess you, as me, saw the original show. And hopefully I will be es excited as you when I finally sees this version.

But how you (and others in this thread, please share your thought also) think this edit will be for a first time viewer?

I’ve been planning to introduce my girlfriend to Star Wars in the (hopefully near) future. Will it be better to show her this then the TV show, or should we see the full show first and use these edits for rewatches?

I would 100% recommend showing her this cut for the first watch through. It makes the content much more digestible. And honestly, when you watch Way of Mandalore, it just makes more SENSE than the original version. THe plot elements he fixes, and to me, the best part is how the Boba Fett plot from that show is sprinkles throughout. it is sort of becomes the main B plot of the show. Like the way GOT switches over to Khaleesi in the early seasons. And then finally midway through, Mando and Boba finally meet. That moment was well done in the original show, but it’s even MORE epic having spent time with Boba up until then. It feels like a big event.

I haven’t even watched Mando season 3, but from what I understand, this series is a major improvement. I didn’t want to watch Season 3 after Boba Fett shoehorned Grogu back into the story so fast. But Bagel salvages it wonderfully, removing him from the first part of season 3, Bagel’s Book 5, and therefore increasing the separation time between Din and Grogu.

For me who has never seen Season 3, and my wife who had never seen the Mandalorian (or BF) at all, we have had a wonderful experience. I think she would have become bored with the regular series.

I have cut a version of Dracula 1992 directed by Coppola, the goal being to make a version I’d be happy to show my wife and members of my family. Coppola’s Dracula is striking, beautiful, and despite some major additions that have nothing to do with the book, actually is one of the closest adaptations of the book. In adding a romantic plot with Dracula, they made this 19th century horror story into something palatable for a 1990s audience. I think that element actually ELEVATES the story in many ways. I think it stands as the BEST film of all Dracula adaptations.

However, Coppola made a concerted effort to really sex this story up. It makes some sense in terms of, he was adding the romance plot, so I see why he added some more salacious scenes. However many of these actually DON’T serve the romance at all and even HURT that plot. In addition, if you have people in your family or friends group who don’t like sex scenes, or too much gore, this movie can be quite awkward to sit through.

My goal with this edit was to make something palatable for a more casual audience, that I could show my wife or my parents and not start cringing. Not simply a “prude” edit, but something to actually help improve the film, cutting those rough edge scenes that simply go too far.

I showed my wife and her sisters this film without them ever having seen the original. I knew they wouldn’t enjoy it, they won’t want to see overt sex scenes and violence. They watched my new version on Halloween and… they thought it was a good movie!

Afterwards, my wife’s sister read my change log and was SHOCKED. In her words “This is a completely different movie. I wouldn’t have felt sympathetic to Dracula at all if I had seen the original. The romance plot makes sense in the edit. With the original plot points intact, it feels like a bad fever dream.” They also were surprised at the Lucy cuts, they actually liked Lucy a lot in my edit, and reading the changes, felt they would not have felt sympathy for her in the original.

I truly feel this edit majorly improves the characters of Dracula, Lucy, and also helps Mina and Van Helsing as well in lesser ways.

Now some may ask “Isn’t this a vampire film? Isn’t sex baked into it? Why don’t you watch something else? This edit has no point?” And to those questions I say… there is a great film I’d recommend for you, it is called “Bram Stoker’s Dracula” released in 1992, directed by Coppola, unedited.

There is still a few shots of light nudity, though much less than the original. I would still consider this R-rated, though it is more of a light-R, compared to the hard-R that the original certainly is.

Here is my change log:

Dracula 1992 - Walmart Edit

• Removed Lucy’s introduction scene with the Arabian Nights book and obscene drawings. Lucy is now introduced in the party scene with the suitors.

• Removed Lucy’s line talking to Quincy “Can I touch it”.

• Heavily cut the wives seducing/assaulting Johnathan scene. Cut several shots, cut Dracula giving them baby to kill. Dracula comes in, tells the women off, says “I will love again”, smiling at Jonathan, then we cut to Jonathan’s shot of him freaking out.

• Removed Lucy and Mina kissing when they run in the rain.

• Removed Lucy having sex with werewolf Dracula. Mina walks up and sees, we cut to a close up of Dracula biting Lucy’s neck.

• Cut down Mina and Dracula’s scene in the asylum. We do not see him cut himself or Mina drink his blood. We see her put her head close and when she pulls away her mouth is bloody.

• Cut out Mina seducing Van Helsing and him being seduced by her. Cuts from her freaking out beforehand, to Van hitting her with the wafer.

• Cut part of final scene where Mina kisses Dracula’s bloody monster mouth. Now she just says “Oh my love” and we cut to his reaction turning back into a human. Cut her kissing him after he dies cause that is weird too.

Time cut out: Slightly over 5 minutes
Quality: 1080p (I don’t have access to the 4k yet but I will make an upgraded version eventually)
No subtitles yet (outside of the baked in translation scenes). I will look to add subtitles for the whole movie eventually.

I am on paternal leave, just had our first baby!

We are very excited for this movie. We loved Book 5. Having never watched Season 3, we were really happy to have Book 5 be a true deep dive into Mandalorian culture. But for Book 6, I am ready to see Boba Fett again.

A scene I’ve always wanted, not necessarily AI, I imagined needing to film it like SC38, is at the barge fight, when Boba flies over to Han, and Han is like “Boba Fett?” to Chewie… he doesn’t just hit him, but they turn around and have an ACTUAL fight. And Boba nearly wins, gets Han pinned, pulls out the jango fett forearm blade, is pinning Han down trying to bring the blade to his neck…
When either, Han gets lucky and reaches his stick, or Chewie or Luke somehow get a shot on Boba fett’s jetpack, and THEN he flies off, and we cut back to the original shot of him flying off.
I just want 20 to 30 seconds of them having a fight and have Boba beat up on Han a little, increase the threat.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:
It’d be fun to edit a minute of the film with a couple of AI shots like this inserted and show it to a normy. Would they be able to identify it?

I think, even this little experiment, assuming he fixed the things like Luke walking too fast… a normal viewer would NOT be able to tell. Not that this shot in particular would even be needed. But assuming the resolution increases, and they are quick shots… this looks pretty good honestly.

This is a very exciting time for fan editing and game modding, in terms of, new content is actually becoming more viable outside of spending thousands actually filming it.

Now I DO think, if something can be truly filmed, that will still probably be best. Like my Boba v Han imagined scene, I truly want to film that like SC38 did (though hopefully more in the style of the OG film, no offense to their project)

A big problem for the game Oblivion, its predecessor Morrowind had text dialogue, so new content could be implemented seamlessly. But Oblivion has voiced dialogue. So most mods either would not have dialogue, or if they had it, it would often be really crappy quality, either audio or acting wise.
But now, this past year, many great mods from Oblivion’s past that had no voice acting, are now receiving AI acting patches.

Awesome project. I hope as you work this project, please leave as much documentation as possible here. With edits of my own, I would love to make versions that utilize this.

Plazir looks WAY better… wow… those original shots, look like a college campus footbal field.

I’m just interested to actually see a version that people don’t try to make 2 and 1/2 or 245. I haven’t even watched the show, but from the bits I’ve seen, I thought to myself “I do not want to spend almost 3 hours on this story”. 2 hours, perfect.

I didn’t end up working on this much, and then we were so close to Season 2, I decided to wait to see what plots carry forward. And actually, my ideas haven’t changed much.

I want to do both seasons as 1 movie each. Now Season 1, I feel, to make it really work as 1 film, which it obviously isn’t made to be, I think it needs the radical restructuring that I’ve proposed here.

Season 2 however, I feel will work much better as a single film, without the need for any significant restructuring. Just a LOT of cuts.

Overall, my two movies will focus on, as I said before about the first one: Cassian, Mon Mothma, and Luthen.

• I was not sure if I would include Syril and Deidra heavily, but now after seeing Season 2, they definitely have a place in the story. That plot developed in a great way. Both movies will include a lot of their plot as I think it is very meaty. But season 1, it will be harder to integrate with my non chronological structure. Still working that out. But, in my original post on this thread from last year, I said I would likely cut a lot of Syril in Season 1. No way that happens now, with how they delivered on that plot here.

• I am aiming to likely cut Cassian’s friends from Ferrix in a VERY significant way. If they pop in here or there, they will just be as rebels. Any arcs focusing on Bix and Wilmon will be excised, only using them where needed in Cassian’s plot with the rebellion (the example I am thinking is when Cassian and Wilmon are escaping Gorman, that sequence will need Wilmon, but he will just be presented as a rebel). I don’t know yet if I’ll have any Bix, unless there are any significant moments like that where she is there. But if so, she’ll be presented the same way. I don’t think I will be including her as Cassian’s girlfriend. No grief against the actress, she’s great but I don’t find the character necessary.

• In a previous comment regarding Season 1, I posted my struggle with the flashback to Cassian’s childhood in the jungle. I had come up with a great opening shot (cut from “A long time ago” and black screen, to the shot of the ship overhead smoking, crashing onto Cassian’s planet, really effective IMO), so I had become a bit attached to it. But I found it problematic in other ways, in how Maarva took Cassian when it really seemed unnecessary. Which, I don’t mind her character doing something morally dubious, the problem is the show doesn’t really address it ever, it goes nowhere. And now with the sister plotline not developing either… I don’t know if I will include the childhood sequence on his home planet, or any sister references. So I’ll have to come up with a new way to open Season 1.

• For Season 2, watching those final episodes, I realized a GREAT opening to that film would be, starting with the flashback sequences of Luthen and Kleya. Then moving from that, to showing Kleya as an adult with Luthen, waiting to hear from Cassian. THEN cutting to Cassian. I think this will work really well.

• However a large large large majority of the opening 3 episodes will be cut. So boring. Act 1 will setup Gorman, Act 2 will be the crisis ending with the massacre. Act 3 will be Mon Mothma’s escape to Yavin and Luthen’s death. And that will be it!

Just binged the last 9 episodes today. Similar to Season 1, it was very slow at parts, and then majorly picks up.

Stuff with side characters, not related to either Cassian, Mothma, Luthen, or Deidra/Cyril, I was basically skipping. Although I was trying to pay attention if any of it came to major relevance later, and honestly msot of it did not. I think any of the lesser arcs outside of those those characters can be almost entirely cut, outside of where they intersect with the main characters.

The act structure will be tricky, but this can definitely be made into ONE great film. Anymore than that would be stretching it IMO.

Vladius said:

I don’t mind all the different title cards and such, but I really hate the Disney intro on everything where it flashes blue and red on all the helmets/droid faces. I think it’s tacky.

Agreed, it’s cheesy as an intro. The “Lucasfilm” is enough. Even better if, in addition to the LF logo, it would just start with “A long time ago…”

I feel there is… a lack of uniformity in the intros and title cards of various expanded content, among the different movie and TV shows. Obviously the Saga films have a clear uniformity. Blue text “A long time ago…”, STAR WARS, the crawl, pan down… and from that moment forward you are immersed into the story.

But I noticed back when Rogue One came out. A long time ago blue text… then cut straight to the story, which was definitely effective… but then at the end of the prologue, we then cut to a title card with its own unique style… kind of threw me off.

Then Solo comes out, A long time ago blue text, but then it continues with blue text to do its own variation on the intro text/crawl… I thought that was effective too actually. Then it does the same thing as Rogue One, towards the end of the prologue we get a title card… although this one is 3d inside a shot in the movie… kind of weird…

Then, not to mention all the different shows, all handle their intros differently… some more consistent with the Saga films, some less consistent. Mando does the R1/Solo format, the unique logo at the end of each episode’s prologue, and then the individual episode in blue text, sort of similar to the “Long time ago”. Boba Fett follows Mando’s format, prologue first, make sense, practically same show. Ahsoka follows prologue format as well. Skeleton Crew follows the prologue-titlecard format. Acolyte follows this same format.

Andor starts off with its show logo, a little more 3d than Mando’s, then it jumps into the episode and stays fully immersed in it. Obiwan follows the same format as Andor. So these two stand out from the others.

To me, one thing I think should be consistent… Star Wars should start with “A long time ago…” blue text, every single time. That should be Star Wars call sign forever (personally Id rather have that than the 3d character intro)… but beyond that…

Is anyone else bothered by the inconsistency of the title cards or am I just crazy? I am wondering, if there could be a uniform template that editors might be able to implement to these expanded shows and movies that will honor the Saga films while getting across what they need to, without having all these deviating styles (unlike the saga films which are very uniform)

I feel, we should have some kind of uniform logo IMO. And also, I think there should be consistency as far as, does the “Prologue first then the title card at the end” work?(Mando, R1) Or do we just need to do the title card before the story starts? (Andor, TCW). Do we skip the title card entirely?

And I’ll be honest, I am thinking about this in the context of, I prefer movie cuts for these shows. So for me, watching the whole series as a movie series, I would rather see a uniform style and title card with matching font (Maybe just differing colors? idk), that honors the style of the Saga films.

Awesome.

I have been wanting to go back into the crawls and remove the Episode numbers, where it is jst the film titles without being numbered, just cause I feel, with how big the franchise has grown, and how you might not even watch them in order, or you might watch stuff in between the episodes, the episode titles are a bit redundant

sgscobie said:

21C Peasant said:

sgscobie said:

Judging by the first 3-episodes of S2, you’ve certainly got your work cut out for you with an Andor II 2.5 hour film cut!

Agreed

With the one year time jumps every three episodes is it even going to be possible?

You may have to break the 2.5 hour movie into quarters with the “one year later, BBY…” appearing each time

Not really. The time could be implied like a lot of movies do. Also the first three were so slow, you could easily knock out their plots within 20-30 minutes, make it apart of the 1st act.

Could I get a copy of this? Sounds amazing.

It’s been my ambition to do TCW in a smaller number of sub-2hour movies, designed to work with RotS. Like, only 2 or 3 movies before RotS, and then 1 more movie, set during and immediately after RotS.

From your description, this project sounds like almost exactly all the ideas for that RotS adjacent/post RotS film. I had also planned on cutting in battle of heroes with ahsoka like she can see it or imagine it. And i had also planned on cutting in the Padme funeral from Tales of alongside Vader on the snow planet for the ending.

You might have just done my whole job for me for that particular project!

yoshif8tures said:
i would also cut the pep talk he had with the imperial tech before he stole the fighter since it didn’t really add anything important.

I think the scene itself is fine just to show how he got there (he had an insider). I would even leave, just a SMALL portion of the pep talk in there, like the “was it worth it?” line. That was okay. But yeah, it was like 2 to 4 minutes? I’ll cut it to 40 seconds. I think in a way, it also shows Cassian’s nature. He is giving her the pep talk so she does her job. But if it became clear she was threatening the operation, I think we all know what he would do.

Also cut the imps showing a retro video since it was too on the nose n@zi. Yes we know the imps are space versions, but flat out copying them is just too earthy for me.

Agreed, cringe. I could barely watch. I liked the rest of the meeting sequence otherwise.

I think almost all portrayals of “media” in Star Wars have been pretty much failures. I suspect there is a good reason Lucas DIDNT show us equivalents of TV/radio/etc. Star Wars doesnt NEED those things, even if people think they make sense in context. There isn’t one instance i can think of where an author or screenwriter has portrayed media in SW a way that isn’t cringy and unimmersive.

I think it would be nice to see the shape fixed. The color, I would find a halfway point. I think it should be just slightly more muted compared to animation.

Farm planet, boring, it’s gone.

Yavin 4, insufferable characters that are never once made relatable. It’s gone.

Mon Mothma plot, heavily, heavily trimmed.

Syril and Dedra… pretty good plot actually. Did not take up too much run time, scenes were punchy.

kg1977 said:

Patali said:

Is the current version of this available to watch? I would love if you could send me a copy.

Does this lean into some of the CGI shots that Adywan made for his old version? I liked those. IMO my dream version of the movie was to have Adywans old CGI shots, the George Lucas CGI shots, and SC38, and make a new “prequelized” version of ANH. I love the old special effects best, 1977, but I want a version full of the CGI stuff Lucas and fans have made, to have a version that fits in with the greater series.

Also, a deleted scene that is my dream to see, though we only have poor quality is “This Sith Lord”. Rogue One tie in and mention of the word “Sith” in ANH. Hope we get a better copy one day.

ANH-X version 1 will include 90% of the deleted restored scenes
based on adywans version so yes all his enhanced FX, but upscaled to HD
and yes the “sith lord” extended board room scene with clean audio is already done and will be included in the version 1

Wow, can’t wait to see it!

This is my most desired edit. My brother started showing my nephew Star Wars - Prequels first - would be amazing to have this for our watch through. No pressure though xD

Is the current version of this available to watch? I would love if you could send me a copy.

Does this lean into some of the CGI shots that Adywan made for his old version? I liked those. IMO my dream version of the movie was to have Adywans old CGI shots, the George Lucas CGI shots, and SC38, and make a new “prequelized” version of ANH. I love the old special effects best, 1977, but I want a version full of the CGI stuff Lucas and fans have made, to have a version that fits in with the greater series.

Also, a deleted scene that is my dream to see, though we only have poor quality is “This Sith Lord”. Rogue One tie in and mention of the word “Sith” in ANH. Hope we get a better copy one day.

So my wife and I watched, and we loved it! We were not bored at all. I have seen Boba Fett, but not season 3, and my wife hasn’t seen any of the series.

When Paz stood up and gave his speech in support of Din, my wife got so excited. Same with seeing Grogu at the end, and the Mythosaur. My wife doesn’t know names of stuff, but she was like “That’s the animal their helmets are designed after!”

I thought this movie was the first time I felt the story delivered on the premise of “The Mandalorian”. This feels like the first fully focused Mandalorian story.
I asked her if the Mandoa was too much at all throughout the movie, and she said it was not.

She couldn’t really give me specifics, but she did have feedback of “Parts felt a bit choppy.” Take that for what you will, maybe you can sus out what she means. She loved it overall.

I thought the pacing was excellent. The only minor nitpicks I have are, I don’t feel like Din would necessarily explain to Peli Motto that he is trying to redeem himself etc when asking for the droid that detect the toxicity or whatever it was.

The other thing is, I think the Mandoa works, my wife thought it was great. But I think if a line sounds great in basic/english, it should be considered to be swapped in for special circumstances. The one I’m thinking of is “Have you removed your helmet?” More that the actress’s delivery was really good on that, you could feel the weight of it. I am wondering, maybe she could say it in Mandoa first coming out of that conversation, but then the second time she says it in basic so the line really hits, that’s the one where the actress’s delivery really sells it. Idk if that’ll work but something for you to consider.

Otherwise, we really loved it. I told you in your chat, I was considering doing my own cuts of the series, which would essentially be like yours but cut in half. So your first 4 movies, would only be 2 in my version, which I’m still interested in. However, after watching this one, I might just leave your last movies 5 and 6 as is (depending on how 6 goes), because I thought this one was great! There wasn’t really anything major I wanted to cut.

Edit: OH! I forgot our biggest want… WE WANT BOBA FETT!!! We love Boba. I hope his modern story is a significant part of your Book 6, can’t wait to see how you handle that material.

Please send!

g00b said:

Looks like the account got hacked and all my files got deleted and only “recover from Terabox.exe” remained.

Sounds legit 😂

We are ready for book 5!